Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts
I guess I've viewed them more as Rivendell colors than as being associated with a specific frame - well, except for Atlantis green. For as long as I've followed Rivendell, at some points I lapsed on being aware of exactly what the differences in the various models were (and still don't have as complete a historical picture as many here - though Eric's history threads help). That said the colors have been part of what make them identifiable as Riv bikes to me. Also the impression that "fancier" bikes get "fancier" (more sophisticated?) colors. -Dave On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:23:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote: > Jason and Junes — I totally agree about the inspired color choices and the > amount of time they put into finding good colors. > > Jason — I agree about retiring colors every few years. > > Junes — You raise some good points and you actually get at something I've > had a hard time putting my finger on: brand confusion. Like you, I made > strong color and frame associations. Mermaid platypus, got it! That bike > was brand new, everyone got crazy excited about it, color is locked in to > my brain. And now the color is on all sorts of bikes. Including my > Appaloosa :) > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:01:58 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: > >> " an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes"just depressing. But >> maybe the right color for a beater you lock up downtown in the hopes that >> it'll still be there. Like I say, just depressing. >> >> Wasn't it Ford who said " you can have any color you want as long as it's >> black"? >> >> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:40:47 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >> >>> In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the >>> wide range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. >>> >>> However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent >>> in favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with >>> exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with >>> Riv’s final approval of course**). The *production* colors become part >>> of a particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important. >>> >>> For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any >>> color other than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises >>> painted in lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production >>> model were painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed >>> tremendously over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis >>> green/blue *is itself* a huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color >>> has been a constant through the various Atlantis permutations. >>> >>> Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early >>> runs were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now >>> Joe’s fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But >>> it’s a custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s >>> prerogative. He made a very tasteful choice. >>> >>> I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I >>> see mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any >>> model other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand >>> association. The lovely sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a >>> unique one off, does not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because >>> raspberry was not a production color. >>> >>> And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of >>> models in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. >>> >>> I do think that variations of *similar* colors across model is fine. >>> They should be different enough not to confuse them, though. >>> >>> Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority. >>> >>> >>> On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt wrote: >>> >>> Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I >>> get will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green. >>> >>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I just got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch. I do think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! On Monday, 24 April 2023 at
Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts
Jason and Junes — I totally agree about the inspired color choices and the amount of time they put into finding good colors. Jason — I agree about retiring colors every few years. Junes — You raise some good points and you actually get at something I've had a hard time putting my finger on: brand confusion. Like you, I made strong color and frame associations. Mermaid platypus, got it! That bike was brand new, everyone got crazy excited about it, color is locked in to my brain. And now the color is on all sorts of bikes. Including my Appaloosa :) On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:01:58 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: > " an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes"just depressing. But > maybe the right color for a beater you lock up downtown in the hopes that > it'll still be there. Like I say, just depressing. > > Wasn't it Ford who said " you can have any color you want as long as it's > black"? > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:40:47 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: > >> In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the >> wide range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. >> >> However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent >> in favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with >> exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with >> Riv’s final approval of course**). The *production* colors become part >> of a particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important. >> >> For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any color >> other than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises >> painted in lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production >> model were painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed >> tremendously over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis >> green/blue *is itself* a huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color >> has been a constant through the various Atlantis permutations. >> >> Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early >> runs were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now >> Joe’s fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But >> it’s a custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s >> prerogative. He made a very tasteful choice. >> >> I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I >> see mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any >> model other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand >> association. The lovely sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a >> unique one off, does not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because >> raspberry was not a production color. >> >> And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of >> models in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. >> >> I do think that variations of *similar* colors across model is fine. >> They should be different enough not to confuse them, though. >> >> Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority. >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt wrote: >> >> Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I >> get will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green. >> >> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >> >>> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I >>> just got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. >>> >>> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot >>> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they >>> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they >>> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if >>> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to >>> your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the >>> available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch. I do >>> think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! >>> >>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote: >>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing because we see a lot of it...and that's totally OK. I like looking at it I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly unusual, but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on light(sunlight vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be great, especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee color. The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough contrast. I absolutely do not need another custom but if I were in the market and Riv still offered customs, I think that I could go for that. I do
Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts
" an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes"just depressing. But maybe the right color for a beater you lock up downtown in the hopes that it'll still be there. Like I say, just depressing. Wasn't it Ford who said " you can have any color you want as long as it's black"? On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:40:47 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: > In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the > wide range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. > > However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent > in favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with > exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with > Riv’s final approval of course**). The *production* colors become part of > a particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important. > > For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any color > other than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises > painted in lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production > model were painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed > tremendously over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis > green/blue *is itself* a huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color > has been a constant through the various Atlantis permutations. > > Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early > runs were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now > Joe’s fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But > it’s a custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s > prerogative. He made a very tasteful choice. > > I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I > see mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any > model other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand > association. The lovely sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a > unique one off, does not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because > raspberry was not a production color. > > And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of > models in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. > > I do think that variations of *similar* colors across model is fine. They > should be different enough not to confuse them, though. > > Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority. > > > On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt wrote: > > Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I get > will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green. > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > >> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I >> just got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. >> >> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot >> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they >> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they >> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if >> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to >> your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the >> available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch. I do >> think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! >> >> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote: >> >>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing >>> because we see a lot of it...and that's totally OK. I like looking at it >>> >>> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly >>> unusual, but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on >>> light(sunlight vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be >>> great, especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee >>> color. The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough >>> contrast. I absolutely do not need another custom but if I were in the >>> market and Riv still offered customs, I think that I could go for that. >>> >>> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive >>> too. >>> >>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote: >>> I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different models over time. I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on the red accents. On Sunday, April 23,
Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts
In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the wide range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent in favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with Riv’s final approval of course**). The production colors become part of a particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important. For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any color other than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises painted in lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production model were painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed tremendously over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis green/blue *is itself* a huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color has been a constant through the various Atlantis permutations. Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early runs were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now Joe’s fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But it’s a custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s prerogative. He made a very tasteful choice. I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I see mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any model other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand association. The lovely sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a unique one off, does not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because raspberry was not a production color. And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of models in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. I do think that variations of similar colors across model is fine. They should be different enough not to confuse them, though. Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority. > On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt wrote: > > Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I get > will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green. > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I just >> got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. >> >> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot >> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they >> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they >> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if >> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to your >> preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the available >> colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch. I do think that >> colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! >> >> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote: >>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing >>> because we see a lot of it...and that's totally OK. I like looking at it >>> >>> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly unusual, >>> but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on light(sunlight >>> vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be great, >>> especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee color. >>> The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough contrast. I >>> absolutely do not need another custom but if I were in the market and Riv >>> still offered customs, I think that I could go for that. >>> >>> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive too. >>> >>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote: I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different models over time. I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on the red accents. On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose > for my custom. I like it!* > > *I like metallics, too. I'm easy > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about >> pink / lilac / weird colored
[RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts
Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, I've missed it. I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new colors with new batches of frames? What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of colors? Does it matter at all? Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There isn't one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it appears on a new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on the Homers because they've always been a blue bike. I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze that appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the newer colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the best paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of where current production colors have appeared: *Lime-olive* Platypus Susie Hillborne Clem *Mermaid* Appaloosa Platypus Roadini Gus *Harvest/Dark Gold* Hillborne Homer Susie *Ana Purple* Rosco Plat Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?) Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was slated for one of these frames) *RBW Orange* Appaloosa Roadini Gus *RBW Blue* Too many to list? Appaloosa Clem Hillborne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ec85445d-6cbd-4228-a1bd-58c3d26496cen%40googlegroups.com.
