Re: [RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Joe Bernard]

I could make a case that buying from the US regime is a little dicey at the 
moment so...yeah. 

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, let's not go down the "regimes" rabbit hole. The world is very very 
complicated. RBW Owners Bunch a tad less so.

On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 7:35:15 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Disappointed because Salsa used to make everything in Taiwan, and I would 
> rather support a small, semi-independent island rather than a Communist 
> regime.
>
> On the other hand, I've been to China, and found everybody I encountered 
> to be very nice and helpful. So maybe I shouldn't look down on Chinese 
> stuff. There's plenty of it in my household already.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Why is this disappointing? (That's a question, not a scolding.)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Eric Daume > > wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>> Who was disappointed to find the new Timberjack frames were indeed made 
>>> in China 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Eric Daume]

Disappointed because Salsa used to make everything in Taiwan, and I would
rather support a small, semi-independent island rather than a Communist
regime.

On the other hand, I've been to China, and found everybody I encountered to
be very nice and helpful. So maybe I shouldn't look down on Chinese stuff.
There's plenty of it in my household already.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Why is this disappointing? (That's a question, not a scolding.)
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> Who was disappointed to find the new Timberjack frames were indeed made
>> in China
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Patrick Moore]

Why is this disappointing? (That's a question, not a scolding.)

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> [...]
> Who was disappointed to find the new Timberjack frames were indeed made in
> China
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Eric Daume]

Surlys and most Salsas are made in Taiwan, not China.

Eric
Who was disappointed to find the new Timberjack frames were indeed made in
China

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, Dave Small 
wrote:

> I have a couple of thoughts:
>
> I like well-designed and well-made steel bikes that are lugged or
> fillet-brazed, are built for 1" threaded quill stems, and can accommodate
> tires of at least 32mm and preferably wider.  Offhand I can think of a few
> specific models from other companies that meet those criteria, but Riv has
> a line-up of them.  My criteria describe Riv's core philosophy, despite the
> relatively recent introduction of TIG-welded models.  The specific models
> from other companies are about the same price as a Sam frame or are more
> expensive, so comparing like-to-like, Riv is priced competitively.
> Comparing Riv to, say, Surly or Salsa or other mass-produced Chinese
> frames, Riv is "overpriced" but Grant acknowledges the better value of a
> Surly frame if all you care about is utility.  I want more than that (and I
> own a Cross Check, so know the differences firsthand)
>
> I respect entrepreneurs in general, what Grant's done specifically, and
> I've been pretty heavily influenced by him over the past 5 or so years.  I
> like what the company is about, I like the people who work there, and I
> want them to succeed.  Grant's been open about Riv's financial woes over
> the years, and I want to help when I can.  I feel the same way about
> another small bicycle company with whom I have a closer relationship than I
> have with Rivendell, and I also support them with my dollars whenever I
> can.  This isn't altruism, but it's a conscious decision on my part to send
> my dollars to people who fill a niche I believe in, who've been good to me
> over the years, and whose success I want to *actively* contribute to.
> I'm not just a satisfied customer, I'm a loyal customer, and I get
> satisfaction out of knowing that in a small way I'm contributing to their
> continued success.
>
> I love Waterford (and BTW, that's not the company I referred to above).  I
> own 2 Waterford-badged road bikes, owned a Waterford-badged racing bike
> that I recently sold, and own a Waterford-built Homer Hilsen.  I tell
> people that Richard Schwinn must have a pot of magic-dust that he applies a
> little of to each bike they make, 'cause they all ride beautifully.  All 4
> are outstanding bikes, but that excellence comes from a combination of many
> factors, especially build quality and design; it's not just about brazing
> technique.  The craftsmen in Taiwan are just as capable as the Craftsmen in
> Wisconsin, and I wouldn't foresee any difference in overall build quality
> or ride quality between an identical model made at Waterford or in a good
> shop in Taiwan.  The Taiwanese Sams and the Cheviot I have are just as
> pretty and well put-together as my Waterford-built bikes, but I can't
> compare them directly because they differ in design and purpose.
>
> Based solely on price, I don't foresee ever buying a custom Riv.  There's
> an excellent local builder who'd build a custom lugged or fillet-brazed
> steel frame and fork with all the bells and whistles I'd want for
> (currently) $2350 or less.  I'd go that route and get a bike just as nice
> for much less than a Riv custom.  A lot of good builders exist who would
> build a nice custom in the same ballpark of price, so in that respect Riv's
> custom prices do seem high.  It's a good thing that custom orders aren't
> their bread and butter.
>
> Last and least, I'm glad I took advantage of the recent Sam and Cheviot
> presale on the day they were $1000; that was a great price even then, and
> as of today it's even better!
>
> Dave (yes, that's my real name)
>
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[RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Davey Two Shoes]

As of Jan 1 Waterford up their prices across the board. I know this because I 
ordered one prior to the price increase. I was looking at a Gunnar Roadie but 
then my shop informed me that with all the specs I requested it would be the 
same price as a Waterford UNTIL JAN 1. So it worked out for me.

Anyway I suspect that's at least part of the reason Rivs are going up.

Bill, while Lum may not be speaking of you specifically, I'm sure you fit the 
description ;)

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[RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Belopsky]

>
> Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo, Hunq: going up $200 
>
> Appalosa, Sam, Cheviot & HHH Tandems: going up $100 to $1400. Future runs 
> will have to be more that that.
>
> Roadini & Clems are going up $25-50 to $900
>

I am assuming that is a misprint and it should be $100-$140 

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