Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

The machines in the TdF are carbon racers sold to hardcore roadies, so it's an 
excellent comparison. They are not lifetime frames.  

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Orc]

The machines in the TdF are beaten to death by racers, so this isn't a 
particularly good comparison?

-david parsons

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:52:16 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true 
> of Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de 
> France this year. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

"Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true of 
Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de France this 
year. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Bruce]

This is too funny.  How many Rivendell models are no longer being made?  No 
such thing as a "lifetime model."  Atlantis comes closest, but it's day will 
come I thnk.

  From: Joe Bernard 
 Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on the website: Why 
would I keep a bike for a whole lifetime?? ;-)



   

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

Oh no, they're long gone, John. Each sale of a bike has its specific story, but 
the reality is I go through a lot of bikes (I don't recommend this expensive 
habit). I like bicycles as mechanical and artistic objects, and there's a 
little voice in my head that often whispers "you only get so many bikes in your 
life." So I tend to enjoy them for a while, then move on to another visual and 
tactile experience. Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on 
the website: Why would I keep a bike for a whole lifetime?? ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Toshi Takeuchi]

As a youngster, I rode my bike in the courtyard of my apartment building
complex over and over in circles.  I had the bright idea that I did that
circle so many times that I could ride it with my eyes closed. I tried it
and ended up with six stitches in my forehead after gashing it on top of a
metal fence.  I experienced the wisdom of Bill's words the hard way.

Toshi


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally
> identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up,
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

DB

Thanks for the link to the RBW write up.  Just what I was looking for.  I 
vaguely remember it, 12 - 13 years ago??

The PH / SH chart was invaluable.  it confirms a 54cm is my size and I 
could fit a 56cm, although the 57cm TT may be a challenge.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:45:05 AM UTC-4, DB wrote:

> Here's an old page from the Rivendell site.
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender 
>> clearance than Tektro R559s.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>>>
>>> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before 
>>> tektro made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has 
>>> cantilever brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>>>
>>> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire 
>>> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect 
>>> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  
>>> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Joe

Thanks for the insight.  Do you still have them, or did something else 
replace them??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

> In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 
> 54cm Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same 
> bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Thanks for the 2 links.  I found the 1st, but not the 2nd.   I was hoping 
for a RBW write up focusing on the Saluki, but it seems there is none.  The 
2 links are like A vs B and B vs C, B + Saluki.   I remember the write ups 
on the AHH (country bike, Honus Wagner) and the Blerliot (known name, nice 
link to aviation), but can not recall a Saluki hype.   It seems like RBW 
was going through a major re-thinking of their direction at the time of the 
Saluki

Subtle Differences, really just wanted to know if any exists. I totally 
agree with your BLINDFOLD reasoning. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown Nj

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Bleriot and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html
>
> Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Hilsen and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B 
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally 
> identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you 
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous. 
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>  
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>  
>>  
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Les Lammers]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Bleriot and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html
>
> Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Hilsen and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B 
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally 
> identical.  *In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you 
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous. 
>  *
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
 
Wild Bill, that made my day. :-) The Bleriot was purported to be the poor 
guys Saluki. So all three may be very similar riding.

>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>  
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>  
>>  
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[DB]

Here's an old page from the Rivendell site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender 
> clearance than Tektro R559s.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  > wrote:
>
>> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>>
>> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro 
>> made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever 
>> brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>>
>> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire 
>> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect 
>> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  
>> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Tim Gavin]

All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender
clearance than Tektro R559s.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>
> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro
> made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever
> brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>
> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire
> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect
> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.
> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[iamkeith]

Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.

The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro made 
the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever brakes.  
That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.

Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire or 
fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect that 
bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  Perhaps 
someone else knows.

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 54cm 
Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same bike. 

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

;-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Bill Lindsay 
<tapebu...@gmail.com<mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen and 
the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen and 
the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical.  In my 
humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, built up the 
same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash because riding a 
bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
Justin

Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Bill Lindsay]

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
Bleriot and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen 
and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical. 
 In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, 
built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash 
because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Justin
>  
> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
> like they did for the Blerliot.
>  
>  
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com >
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> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
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> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
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> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Justin
 
Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.
 
 
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
 
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To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[Justin, Oakland]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early Saluki's???  
looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.

I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
subtle differences.

I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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