Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Matt B.]

P.S. I've also read on this list about folks who've modded their Rivs with 
higher offset forks from e.g. Tom Matchak with reportedly satisfactory 
results, so if there happens to be any overlap in interest with disc 
brakes...  :)


On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 1:49:16 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I get a trail of 38 mm; rather lower than that of Rivs, no?
>
> Otherwise, it looks very nice. 
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> For folks interested in a disc-braked rivendell, take a look at the Crust 
>> Romanceur.  It's lugged steel, has 1" threaded steerer (bonus in my book), 
>> and definitely rivendellian geometry, though perhaps more 90's to 
>> mid-2000's riv than current.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 12:04:28 PM UTC-4, Nash Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont think anyone has said they need disc brakes to stop. Most people 
>>> have bikes with both types of brakes.  Its just something different and 
>>> while not everyone will choose them, they do stop more quickly and easily.  
>>> Is that a requirement?  No.  Will some people choose it? Yes.  Will some 
>>> people decide they dont need or want it? Yes.   
>>>
>>> I have had bikes with disc brakes and as a mechanic have worked on many 
>>> many, of all quality.  I prefer rim brakes because I prefer to deal with 
>>> their drawbacks than the  drawbacks of disc brakes, of which there are a 
>>> few, in my personal opinion.  But its a strange all or nothing argument 
>>> that pops up around this issue.  I dont think that makes any sense
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Matt B.]

Fair enough. Was thinking more about the longish chainstays, slack STA & 
lowish BB, (e.g. size-up-able geometry) than of fork offset.  

On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 1:49:16 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I get a trail of 38 mm; rather lower than that of Rivs, no?
>
> Otherwise, it looks very nice. 
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> For folks interested in a disc-braked rivendell, take a look at the Crust 
>> Romanceur.  It's lugged steel, has 1" threaded steerer (bonus in my book), 
>> and definitely rivendellian geometry, though perhaps more 90's to 
>> mid-2000's riv than current.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 12:04:28 PM UTC-4, Nash Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont think anyone has said they need disc brakes to stop. Most people 
>>> have bikes with both types of brakes.  Its just something different and 
>>> while not everyone will choose them, they do stop more quickly and easily.  
>>> Is that a requirement?  No.  Will some people choose it? Yes.  Will some 
>>> people decide they dont need or want it? Yes.   
>>>
>>> I have had bikes with disc brakes and as a mechanic have worked on many 
>>> many, of all quality.  I prefer rim brakes because I prefer to deal with 
>>> their drawbacks than the  drawbacks of disc brakes, of which there are a 
>>> few, in my personal opinion.  But its a strange all or nothing argument 
>>> that pops up around this issue.  I dont think that makes any sense
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Patrick Moore]

I get a trail of 38 mm; rather lower than that of Rivs, no?

Otherwise, it looks very nice.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Matt B.  wrote:

> For folks interested in a disc-braked rivendell, take a look at the Crust
> Romanceur.  It's lugged steel, has 1" threaded steerer (bonus in my book),
> and definitely rivendellian geometry, though perhaps more 90's to
> mid-2000's riv than current.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 12:04:28 PM UTC-4, Nash Taylor wrote:
>>
>> I dont think anyone has said they need disc brakes to stop. Most people
>> have bikes with both types of brakes.  Its just something different and
>> while not everyone will choose them, they do stop more quickly and easily.
>> Is that a requirement?  No.  Will some people choose it? Yes.  Will some
>> people decide they dont need or want it? Yes.
>>
>> I have had bikes with disc brakes and as a mechanic have worked on many
>> many, of all quality.  I prefer rim brakes because I prefer to deal with
>> their drawbacks than the  drawbacks of disc brakes, of which there are a
>> few, in my personal opinion.  But its a strange all or nothing argument
>> that pops up around this issue.  I dont think that makes any sense
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Matt B.]

For folks interested in a disc-braked rivendell, take a look at the Crust 
Romanceur.  It's lugged steel, has 1" threaded steerer (bonus in my book), 
and definitely rivendellian geometry, though perhaps more 90's to 
mid-2000's riv than current.



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>
> I dont think anyone has said they need disc brakes to stop. Most people 
> have bikes with both types of brakes.  Its just something different and 
> while not everyone will choose them, they do stop more quickly and easily. 
>  Is that a requirement?  No.  Will some people choose it? Yes.  Will some 
> people decide they dont need or want it? Yes.   
>
> I have had bikes with disc brakes and as a mechanic have worked on many 
> many, of all quality.  I prefer rim brakes because I prefer to deal with 
> their drawbacks than the  drawbacks of disc brakes, of which there are a 
> few, in my personal opinion.  But its a strange all or nothing argument 
> that pops up around this issue.  I dont think that makes any sense

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Nash Taylor]

I dont think anyone has said they need disc brakes to stop. Most people have 
bikes with both types of brakes.  Its just something different and while not 
everyone will choose them, they do stop more quickly and easily.  Is that a 
requirement?  No.  Will some people choose it? Yes.  Will some people decide 
they dont need or want it? Yes.  

I have had bikes with disc brakes and as a mechanic have worked on many many, 
of all quality.  I prefer rim brakes because I prefer to deal with their 
drawbacks than the  drawbacks of disc brakes, of which there are a few, in my 
personal opinion.  But its a strange all or nothing argument that pops up 
around this issue.  I dont think that makes any sense

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Belopsky]

Gravel bike

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Clayton.sf]

Adding my $0.02

I like discs for mud and for "real" MTB applications:
- For mud because that is when rims get more chewed up by rim brakes,
- For MTB applications because it allows me more easily to run WIDE rims 
with big fat tires. 

For Stopping in dirt situation I have generally found caliper brakes to be 
perfectly adequate. I break traction way before I reach maximum braking 
power anyway. 

For general riding (road, commuting, country riding, fire roads, touring) I 
much prefer traditional rim brakes (cantis, sidep, centerp, etc) for 
numerous reasons:
- Needs less overbuild in frame and fork = more compliant
- Easy to SEE how much pad life is left since they are out in the open
- Work well with quick releases since the forces are less. For good disc 
braking experience through axle is the the only way to go unless you resort 
to RWS skewers IMO
- More margin betw. rim and brake to adjust for rub. Disc brakes usually 
have much tighter clearances and make it a much more fiddly affair to get 
rid of rub (applies mostly to hydros)
- Typically lighter weight
- Less wheel dish for the same hub width
- Pads tend to last longer
- No fade (although new ice tec rotors fade negligibly) 

Of my 4 bicycles only the Jones Plus has discs and for that bike they are 
perfect. For my Boulder, Cheviot, and Bob Jackson I am much happier with 
rim brakes.

That being said, the selection of quality rims and 135mm rear hubs for rim 
brakes is not growing. There is still a good amount left and no need for 
panic, but it is noticeable.

Wheel size swapping is nice to have I guess but not a big selling point for 
me. I would rather ride the "right" size for a given frame.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA






On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:37:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
> > > Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
> > > before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
> > > options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
> > > really opened up.
> > >
> > > You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
> > > course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
> > > brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
> > > appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
> > > really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
> > > stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
> > > it can come in the form of suspension forks.
> > >
> > > I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
> > > which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
> > > of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.
> > 
> > How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more 
> comfortable?
>
> In my experience, speed modulation on a dime so you don't hit that 
> obstruction and become uncomfortable in a thicket.
>
> ~hugh
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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Joe Bernard]

I sold my Appaloosa partially to cover a big bill, and partially because I 
mostly ride ebikes now. As Garth referenced, I feel rather strongly that Rivs 
should be ridden so I moved it along to a nice lady who would ride it. Will I 
have another Riv eventually? Probably!

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Hugh Smitham]

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
> > Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
> > before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
> > options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
> > really opened up.
> >
> > You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
> > course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
> > brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
> > appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
> > really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
> > stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
> > it can come in the form of suspension forks.
> >
> > I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
> > which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
> > of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.
> 
> How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more comfortable?

In my experience, speed modulation on a dime so you don't hit that obstruction 
and become uncomfortable in a thicket.

~hugh

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

Yep

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[iamkeith]

Max, the velocity cliffhanger is exactly what you describe.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

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Brakes dont make it more comfortable but those fat tires and wide rims, which 
aren't available with rim brake compatibility, sure do.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Max S]

On the topic of rim availability... Has anyone tried using a "disc brake 
rim" that has a reasonable wall profile and thickness with rim brakes?.. (I 
think there are enough folks on this list that don't care too much about 
machined brake tracks that would be fine letting the brake pads and road 
grit take care of that...) 

- Max

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 2:32:05 PM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:
>
> I haven't owned a riv in 5 years. The last one I had was a Bleriot. I 
> really preferred the low-trail front end geometry, and Bleriot was too 
> stout and didn't have enough tire clearance. I have 5 bikes, and might trim 
> down to 3 or 4 one day. All of them use rim brakes and 650b wheels. 42mm 
> tires are the skinniest I ride these days. I have two bikes that will take 
> up to 55mm knobs with fenders, so clearly I have bikes to ride quite a 
> different varieties of terrains. 
>
> Given all that, the benefit of disc brakes for me is one based not on 
> functions per se, but on availability of nice rims. There are less than a 
> handful of lightweight and well-made 650b rim-brake rims, whereas the 
> selection for 650b/27.5 disc-only rims is huge. Given that I have 5 bikes 
> to ride and also have horded several spare rims, market forces aren't 
> likely push me to switch to disc brakes any time soon, but it's a nagging 
> concern for sure.
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:42:04 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution 
>> in search of a problem. 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  wrote: 
>> > Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
>> with 
>> > high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
>> swapping 
>> > very often, if at all. 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote: 
>> >> ... 
>> >>> 
>> >>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
>> >>> before disc brakes ? 
>> >> 
>> >> ... 
>> >> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly 
>> different 
>> >> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
>> >> v-brakes. 
>> >> 
>> >> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
>> >> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
>> >> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
>> >> 
>> >> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
>> >> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
>> >> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right 
>> bike 
>> >> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra 
>> wheelset or 
>> >> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>> >> 
>> >> -Jeff 
>> >> Silver Spring, MD 
>> >> 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jim Bronson]

There was a long thread on the 650B group about the continued
availability of rim brake 650B, what with the popularity of "27.5"
disk-specific rims.  I think the final conclusion was "not to worry,
they will remain available".

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:28 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> Funny - to me, the abilty to swap wheel sizes has ALWAYS been the best 
> selling point of disk brakes, but that might be because im primarily a 
> mountain biker.  That said, i admittedly swap less than i could, if even at 
> all.  I prefer my fat 26" front wheel to the 29er front wheel so much in 
> general, that im willing to live with the few disadvantages the rest of the 
> time.  On the other hand, im planning to get a second set of 27x3 wheels for 
> my wife's snow bike (to replace the 26 x 4.8) for summer use, which will 
> essentially allow it to serve as the "regular" mountain bike that she doesn't 
> otherwise have at the moment.
>
> The real selling point for disk brakes now though, is rim availability.  
> There's just not enough available in the widths i prefer, and i worry about 
> there being even less in the future.  Not unlike the concession to finally 
> use 700c wheels on the all rounder, i wonder if Riv will eventually be forced 
> to use disks on their more off-roady models.
>
> Not saying i prefer disks (i don't ), or that i think that's why there are so 
> many used bikes for sale.  ( i dont...  However i DO think that a common 
> desire for the ability fit wider tires and rims might have something to do 
> with it.)
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
really opened up.


You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
it can come in the form of suspension forks.


I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.


How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more comfortable?

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes before 
disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the options for 
the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have really opened up.

You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of course 
some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim brakes, but 
aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably appeals to us? 
Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether really wide tires 
dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable stopping power regardless 
of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes it can come in the form of 
suspension forks. 

I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails which 
are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple of times, I 
stopped going as it became less and less so.

My first run-in with disc brakes were about 10 years ago, and I was not 
impressed. However, when I test rode a Crust Evasion with Paul Klampers, I 
was very impressed.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>  While I understand the surface appeal of swapping out wheels for 
> wildly different tires, I wonder though, what about the handling with such 
> varying sets ?   For example, I ask myself.. would I want to ride my 
> Bomba with really fat tires and road tires ?   No.   And would I want to 
> ride really fat tires on my road bike ? No.   I say this because bike 
> frames are designed with a certain handling and feel within a relatively 
> small range of tire widths. This includes not just the dimensions of the 
> frame itself but also the type, shape and gauge of steel. Then you have 
> handlebars and how controlling the bike will feel with vastly different 
> tires.
>
>I get "the sell" of a chameleon do-it-all like bike, but myself I don't 
> spend alot of time thinking about my bikes when I'm not riding, nor do I 
> want to. When I want to ride I just want to ride, the less tinkering the 
> better.  Even swapping wheels means I still need another set of wheels, 
> same as on another whole bike. I live with 2 different bikes and like that 
> I have distinctly different bikes ready to go at-hand.
>
>   For the while minimal-ism thing, would not one bike and one bike alone 
> be "minimal" ?  Adding another set of wheels make it minimal +1 . oh 
> well . what's a little fudging in a "standard" that cannot be ever be met ? 
> Ahahahahaha !  
>
>  
>Different strokes for different folks of course, and so no one can be 
> more/less right/wrong than anyone else ! 
>
>   
> ( this Google groups formatting when trying to compose a message is uh 
> . wonky at best !)
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...
>> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
>> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
>> v-brakes. 
>>
>> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
>> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
>> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
>> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
>> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Garth]

 While I understand the surface appeal of swapping out wheels for 
wildly different tires, I wonder though, what about the handling with such 
varying sets ?   For example, I ask myself.. would I want to ride my 
Bomba with really fat tires and road tires ?   No.   And would I want to 
ride really fat tires on my road bike ? No.   I say this because bike 
frames are designed with a certain handling and feel within a relatively 
small range of tire widths. This includes not just the dimensions of the 
frame itself but also the type, shape and gauge of steel. Then you have 
handlebars and how controlling the bike will feel with vastly different 
tires.

   I get "the sell" of a chameleon do-it-all like bike, but myself I don't 
spend alot of time thinking about my bikes when I'm not riding, nor do I 
want to. When I want to ride I just want to ride, the less tinkering the 
better.  Even swapping wheels means I still need another set of wheels, 
same as on another whole bike. I live with 2 different bikes and like that 
I have distinctly different bikes ready to go at-hand.

  For the while minimal-ism thing, would not one bike and one bike alone be 
"minimal" ?  Adding another set of wheels make it minimal +1 . oh well 
. what's a little fudging in a "standard" that cannot be ever be met ? 
Ahahahahaha !  

 
   Different strokes for different folks of course, and so no one can be 
more/less right/wrong than anyone else ! 

  
( this Google groups formatting when trying to compose a message is uh 
. wonky at best !)




On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
>
> ...
> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> v-brakes. 
>
> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[franklyn]

I haven't owned a riv in 5 years. The last one I had was a Bleriot. I 
really preferred the low-trail front end geometry, and Bleriot was too 
stout and didn't have enough tire clearance. I have 5 bikes, and might trim 
down to 3 or 4 one day. All of them use rim brakes and 650b wheels. 42mm 
tires are the skinniest I ride these days. I have two bikes that will take 
up to 55mm knobs with fenders, so clearly I have bikes to ride quite a 
different varieties of terrains. 

Given all that, the benefit of disc brakes for me is one based not on 
functions per se, but on availability of nice rims. There are less than a 
handful of lightweight and well-made 650b rim-brake rims, whereas the 
selection for 650b/27.5 disc-only rims is huge. Given that I have 5 bikes 
to ride and also have horded several spare rims, market forces aren't 
likely push me to switch to disc brakes any time soon, but it's a nagging 
concern for sure.

Franklyn

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:42:04 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution 
> in search of a problem. 
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  > wrote: 
> > Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
> with 
> > high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
> swapping 
> > very often, if at all. 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote: 
> >> ... 
> >>> 
> >>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
> >>> before disc brakes ? 
> >> 
> >> ... 
> >> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly 
> different 
> >> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> >> v-brakes. 
> >> 
> >> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
> >> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
> >> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
> >> 
> >> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> >> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> >> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right 
> bike 
> >> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra 
> wheelset or 
> >> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
> >> 
> >> -Jeff 
> >> Silver Spring, MD 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[iamkeith]

Funny - to me, the abilty to swap wheel sizes has ALWAYS been the best selling 
point of disk brakes, but that might be because im primarily a mountain biker.  
That said, i admittedly swap less than i could, if even at all.  I prefer my 
fat 26" front wheel to the 29er front wheel so much in general, that im willing 
to live with the few disadvantages the rest of the time.  On the other hand, im 
planning to get a second set of 27x3 wheels for my wife's snow bike (to replace 
the 26 x 4.8) for summer use, which will essentially allow it to serve as the 
"regular" mountain bike that she doesn't otherwise have at the moment.

The real selling point for disk brakes now though, is rim availability.  
There's just not enough available in the widths i prefer, and i worry about 
there being even less in the future.  Not unlike the concession to finally use 
700c wheels on the all rounder, i wonder if Riv will eventually be forced to 
use disks on their more off-roady models.

Not saying i prefer disks (i don't ), or that i think that's why there are so 
many used bikes for sale.  ( i dont...  However i DO think that a common desire 
for the ability fit wider tires and rims might have something to do with it.)

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jim Bronson]

Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution
in search of a problem.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  wrote:
> Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and with
> high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate swapping
> very often, if at all.
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do
>>> before disc brakes ?
>>
>> ...
>> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different
>> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or
>> v-brakes.
>>
>> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible
>> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth
>> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent.
>>
>> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not
>> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc
>> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike
>> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset or
>> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[EasyRider]

Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
with high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
swapping very often, if at all. 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth > 
> wrote:
> ...
>
>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
>> before disc brakes ? 
>
> ...
> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> v-brakes. 
>
> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
>
> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
...

> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before
> disc brakes ?

...
They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different
width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or
v-brakes.

Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible situations
with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth making,
regardless of the brake that you'd represent.

The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not
previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc
brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike
frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset
or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Daniel D.]

I want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Are you listening?
Plastics.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jock Dewey]

Good points, Garth. 

One of our heroes (some of us here anyway), Jobst Brandt, likely pedaled 
hundred and hundreds of miles on gravel wearing tubulars and Campy 
modulators rather than brakes...as did thousands of hardy TdF riders BITD. 
But trends do gain momentum, I suppose. 

It seems to me also quite likely the concept of 'gravel bike' was created 
by brilliant bike industry minds looking for ways to sell more stuff. I'd 
probably be concerned if I thought the availability of the disc brakes we 
have been using so capably and safely for 80 or 90 years (much of that on 
gravel for sure) was going away, but clearly it isn't...nor will it anytime 
soon, thankfully, IMHO.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> It seems most people who are selling one have multiple Riv and/or other 
> bikes. I find 2 bikes to be about right, I can after all only ride one bike 
> no matter how many I could possibly own. 
>
>
> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before 
> disc brakes ?  Of course we all know the answer.  I do find it rather odd 
> how the whole "gravel bike" thing is associated with disc brakes. My oh 
> my. I have ridden gravel roads since the 80's and somehow I and others 
> all survived and thrived. People will say anything to sell a new product, 
> and that's what the parts mfrs. want you to believe disc brakes are a 
> requirement to riding a bike. Reminds me of mobile phones and now 
> smartphones, that somehow you cannot exist without constantly being 
> tethered to something to keep you occupied. Now I need disc brakes they 
> say, or else I am in danger from not controlling this that and the other 
> condition, obstacle or circumstance.  Frankly, I need nothing to be being, 
> since to be anything I must first and absolutely be being. 
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for that bit of Riv history.   



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:50:21 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> When Riv started, 26" for All Rounder was THE way to go. It was almost the 
> only way to get good tires with 2" width. So like with the 26" Bridgestone 
> XO's, I always considered the supreme All-Rounders as synonymous with 26" 
> wheels. When Riv started getting more bikes built in the later 90's, they 
> indicated that a large frame like a 63 cm couldn't be made to look good 
> with 26" wheels and wouldn't do it. (The late 90's All-Rounder in large 
> sizes were listed as for 700C wheels, with a statement nearby saying that 
> the tire selection in this wheel size was improving. The very first Riv 
> frame catalogs - pages of Reader #2, for example - had indicated that all 
> AR's would be 26" and I hadn't considered that the largest would change 
> that.) This caused a bit of a stir among us taller people, because we saw 
> Riv as one of our large frame purveyors but in considering an All-Rounder, 
> many of us wanted 26" wheels, because we had grown accustomed to thinking 
> that's where the good wide tires be.
>
> Shortly before the Atlantis, 700C x 2" options started to get better and 
> by 2000, things were changing a lot. I got my Atlantis in 2001 with zero 
> qualms about tire width availability. 650B was revived a few years a later.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:09 AM 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block 
>
> Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know 
> if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed 
> they were.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>>
>> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
>> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
>> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
>> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
>> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
>> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
>> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
>> wonderful and fun! 
>>
>>
>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>> <http://www.washoeschools.net/aact> 
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Educator: Professional Portfolio <http://renorambler.wix.com/portfolio>
>>
>> Blogger: Reno Rambler <http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>>
>>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As 
>>> Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes 
>>> me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv 
>>> Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare 
>>> metal.
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale 
>>> of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>>>> moving to this riding 

Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Garth]

It seems most people who are selling one have multiple Riv and/or other bikes. 
I find 2 bikes to be about right, I can after all only ride one bike no matter 
how many I could possibly own. 


The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before disc 
brakes ?  Of course we all know the answer.  I do find it rather odd how the 
whole "gravel bike" thing is associated with disc brakes. My oh my. I have 
ridden gravel roads since the 80's and somehow I and others all survived and 
thrived. People will say anything to sell a new product, and that's what the 
parts mfrs. want you to believe disc brakes are a requirement to riding a bike. 
Reminds me of mobile phones and now smartphones, that somehow you cannot exist 
without constantly being tethered to something to keep you occupied. Now I need 
disc brakes they say, or else I am in danger from not controlling this that and 
the other condition, obstacle or circumstance.  Frankly, I need nothing to be 
being, since to be anything I must first and absolutely be being. 

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[James Warren]

Ditto to all of that. If I streamlined to one bike, this would be it.-Original Message-
From: Deacon Patrick 
Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

I ride my Hunqapillar in all weather and conditions and on steep mountain trails, including bikepacking. I have disk brakes that also happen to be rim breaks. I stop and slow just fine.With abandon,PatrickOn Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:06:43 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All wonderful and fun! http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.htmlAddison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”Educator: Professional PortfolioBlogger: Reno Rambler 
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris <campyo...@me.com> wrote:I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.--Eric Nwww.CampyOnly.comCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.comTwitter: @CampyOnlyGuyOn Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance <jeff.le...@gmail.com> wrote:I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes were an option.On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson <daniel.se...@gmail.com> wrote:Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving to this riding season and why? 



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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Deacon Patrick]

I ride my Hunqapillar in all weather and conditions and on steep mountain 
trails, including bikepacking. I have disk brakes that also happen to be 
rim breaks. I stop and slow just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:06:43 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>
> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
> wonderful and fun! 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>
>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant 
>> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me 
>> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, 
>> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance > > wrote:
>>
>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of 
>> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>>> moving to this riding season and why? 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[James Warren]

When Riv started, 26" for All Rounder was THE way to go. It was almost the only way to get good tires with 2" width. So like with the 26" Bridgestone XO's, I always considered the supreme All-Rounders as synonymous with 26" wheels. When Riv started getting more bikes built in the later 90's, they indicated that a large frame like a 63 cm couldn't be made to look good with 26" wheels and wouldn't do it. (The late 90's All-Rounder in large sizes were listed as for 700C wheels, with a statement nearby saying that the tire selection in this wheel size was improving. The very first Riv frame catalogs - pages of Reader #2, for example - had indicated that all AR's would be 26" and I hadn't considered that the largest would change that.) This caused a bit of a stir among us taller people, because we saw Riv as one of our large frame purveyors but in considering an All-Rounder, many of us wanted 26" wheels, because we had grown accustomed to thinking that's where the good wide tires be.Shortly before the Atlantis, 700C x 2" options started to get better and by 2000, things were changing a lot. I got my Atlantis in 2001 with zero qualms about tire width availability. 650B was revived a few years a later.-Original Message-
From: 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed they were.  On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All wonderful and fun! http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.htmlAddison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”Educator: Professional PortfolioBlogger: Reno Rambler 
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris <campyo...@me.com> wrote:I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.--Eric Nwww.CampyOnly.comCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.comTwitter: @CampyOnlyGuyOn Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance <jeff.le...@gmail.com> wrote:I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes were an option.On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson <daniel.se...@gmail.com> wrote:Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving to this riding season and why? 



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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know 
if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed 
they were.  



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
> wonderful and fun! 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>
>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant 
>> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me 
>> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, 
>> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance > > wrote:
>>
>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of 
>> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>>> moving to this riding season and why? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[drew]

Selling a Sam (and eventually a hunq), but have an order in for a 650b 
Atlantis. More of a minimalizing my life decision. Trying to get down to one 
bike and be satisfied. If I had tons of space, and a slightly better income, 
I'd have one of each riv model. I still think I'm gonna eventually pick up a 
mixte

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Addison Wilhite]

I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv
continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc
brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area
Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but
at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day
trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that
direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All
wonderful and fun!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html



Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 




On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or
> less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>
> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often,
> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant
> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me
> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road,
> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
> wrote:
>
> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of
> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes
> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add
> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc
> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a
> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked,
> if disc brakes were an option.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson <
> daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks
>> moving to this riding season and why?
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Eric Norris]

I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less 
a duplicate of another that I ride more often.

I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would 
likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer 
about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not 
paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  
> wrote:
> 
> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my 
> Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc 
> brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a 
> rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes 
> were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In 
> both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes 
> were an option.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson 
>>  wrote:
>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving 
>> to this riding season and why? 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of
my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes
disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add
a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc
brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a
Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked,
if disc brakes were an option.



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> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks
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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

No replacement for me. Mine was to near future stuff in my life not bike-related

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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Daniel Jackson]

Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving 
to this riding season and why? 

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