[RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread BenG
I ride in Riv's undies, socks, pants (green, blue, brown), sborts (boosuckers, 
gray/blue, gray), wool tops and lots of Riv shirts. I consider all the pants 
"bike-specific" despite assertions otherwise. And I don't care anyway. The rest 
are truly universal. All are great.

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[RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread BenG
I ride in Riv's undies, socks, pants (green, blue, brown), sborts (boosuckers, 
gray/blue, gray), wool tops and lots of Riv shirts. I consider all the pants 
"bike-specific" despite assertions otherwise. And I don't care anyway. The rest 
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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Eric Norris
My stepson is a Racer (Cat 1, nationally ranked) and is the nicest guy you 
could ever hope to meet. Wearing Lycra hasn't made him snooty or anti-UnRacer. 

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> On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Very odd. Around here, the racers are quite friendly and wav

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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Bill Lindsay
I un-raced the 40 miler to the office through the east bay hills.  Adidas 
Sambas, musa knickers, norwegian wool undies.  I went hoity toity up top 
with a Rapha brevet jersey over a wool baselayer.  

All the roadies that I saw smiled and/or waved and/or nodded.  That's my 
main use for bells to give a cheerful "ding" to other riders.  Everyone was 
going the other direction.  The one guy going my direction passed me and 
said "good morning" as he passed.  

Among the riders going the opposite direction was a VERY tall blue 
Rambouillet.  I only do this ride 20 or 30 times per year, and that guy is 
on the road absolutely every single time.  It's got to be at least a 67 
(and seems to do fine with only one top tube)

Other roadside highlights included a total of maybe 50 wild turkeys

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very odd. Around here, the racers are quite friendly and wave, even 
> initiate the waving ritual, to an old grey haired fogey on a steel fixed 
> gear. I've had them tell me, "Latch on if you want" -- to which I have 
> wisely replied, "I couldn't keep up for long." 
>
> Patrick "turning 60 very shortly, and grimly getting used to being passed 
> by fit women" Moore
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tim McNamara  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> An interesting thing has happened.  Most racers no longer acknowledge me 
>> or return my waves; I just get the steely dismissive stare through the 
>> sungoggles instead.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Very odd. Around here, the racers are quite friendly and wave, even
initiate the waving ritual, to an old grey haired fogey on a steel fixed
gear. I've had them tell me, "Latch on if you want" -- to which I have
wisely replied, "I couldn't keep up for long."

Patrick "turning 60 very shortly, and grimly getting used to being passed
by fit women" Moore

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
>
> An interesting thing has happened.  Most racers no longer acknowledge me
> or return my waves; I just get the steely dismissive stare through the
> sungoggles instead.


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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread shawn m.
That's a lot of invective from someone wearing a flourescent polyester 
sack! 

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:48:33 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> You all have probably seen this one floating around but in case you 
> haven't...
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2869069/Oh-shame-married-MAMIL-s-Middle-Aged-Man-Lycra.html
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>> Fo much of my life (I’m 55) my bicycling clothing was whatever I happened 
>> to be wearing at the time.  “Let’s go for a ride”  “OK.”  Hop on bikes a 
>> go.  Blue jeans, tennis shoes, T shirt, whatever.  Around 1985 I bought my 
>> first pair of cycling shorts (Black Bottoms).  I didn’t wear them on every 
>> ride, in fact I usually wore rugby shorts.  I decided to get into racing 
>> bikes around 1992 and bought the clown suit- shorts, club jerseys, etc.  I 
>> raced until 2000, wearing the clown suit on every ride.  After I decided I 
>> was tired of training and tired of being away from home for so many hours 
>> almost every day, I still rode a fair amount and wore the clown suit.  In 
>> the past 2-3 years I have gone back to regular clothes for the most part. 
>>  I still wear cycling shorts but they’re underneath regular shorts or 
>> trousers.  I usually wear T-shirts instead of jerseys, etc.  I have some 
>> more cycle-specific cool/cold weather garb that I still use as it works 
>> well, but I have some “civilian” stuff that works well too (boiled wool 
>> jacket, for example). 
>>
>> An interesting thing has happened.  Most racers no longer acknowledge me 
>> or return my waves; I just get the steely dismissive stare through the 
>> sungoggles instead.  This doesn’t really seem like a problem, to be honest. 
>>  Regular people do smile, wave, say hi; car drivers are more courteous.  I 
>> spend less time getting ready to ride and am out the door quicker.  I am 
>> every bit as comfortable if not more than when I was wearing bike clothing. 
>>  When I get home I don’t have to change before hanging out with people.  I 
>> can meet somewhere by bike for dinner without sticking out like a sore 
>> thumb in the restaurant.  And, quite frankly, no one wants to look at a 55 
>> year old dude in lycra- and maybe not even back in my svelte, athletic, 
>> muscly racing days.  I still have all my old club jerseys for sentimental 
>> reasons, I had a team full of people I really liked, but I rarely wear them 
>> any more. 
>>
>> There aren’t any down sides.  Normal clothes are a win for me and for 
>> everyone else.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Surlyprof

You all have probably seen this one floating around but in case you 
haven't...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2869069/Oh-shame-married-MAMIL-s-Middle-Aged-Man-Lycra.html



On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:

> Fo much of my life (I’m 55) my bicycling clothing was whatever I happened 
> to be wearing at the time.  “Let’s go for a ride”  “OK.”  Hop on bikes a 
> go.  Blue jeans, tennis shoes, T shirt, whatever.  Around 1985 I bought my 
> first pair of cycling shorts (Black Bottoms).  I didn’t wear them on every 
> ride, in fact I usually wore rugby shorts.  I decided to get into racing 
> bikes around 1992 and bought the clown suit- shorts, club jerseys, etc.  I 
> raced until 2000, wearing the clown suit on every ride.  After I decided I 
> was tired of training and tired of being away from home for so many hours 
> almost every day, I still rode a fair amount and wore the clown suit.  In 
> the past 2-3 years I have gone back to regular clothes for the most part. 
>  I still wear cycling shorts but they’re underneath regular shorts or 
> trousers.  I usually wear T-shirts instead of jerseys, etc.  I have some 
> more cycle-specific cool/cold weather garb that I still use as it works 
> well, but I have some “civilian” stuff that works well too (boiled wool 
> jacket, for example). 
>
> An interesting thing has happened.  Most racers no longer acknowledge me 
> or return my waves; I just get the steely dismissive stare through the 
> sungoggles instead.  This doesn’t really seem like a problem, to be honest. 
>  Regular people do smile, wave, say hi; car drivers are more courteous.  I 
> spend less time getting ready to ride and am out the door quicker.  I am 
> every bit as comfortable if not more than when I was wearing bike clothing. 
>  When I get home I don’t have to change before hanging out with people.  I 
> can meet somewhere by bike for dinner without sticking out like a sore 
> thumb in the restaurant.  And, quite frankly, no one wants to look at a 55 
> year old dude in lycra- and maybe not even back in my svelte, athletic, 
> muscly racing days.  I still have all my old club jerseys for sentimental 
> reasons, I had a team full of people I really liked, but I rarely wear them 
> any more. 
>
> There aren’t any down sides.  Normal clothes are a win for me and for 
> everyone else.

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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Tim McNamara
Fo much of my life (I’m 55) my bicycling clothing was whatever I happened to be 
wearing at the time.  “Let’s go for a ride”  “OK.”  Hop on bikes a go.  Blue 
jeans, tennis shoes, T shirt, whatever.  Around 1985 I bought my first pair of 
cycling shorts (Black Bottoms).  I didn’t wear them on every ride, in fact I 
usually wore rugby shorts.  I decided to get into racing bikes around 1992 and 
bought the clown suit- shorts, club jerseys, etc.  I raced until 2000, wearing 
the clown suit on every ride.  After I decided I was tired of training and 
tired of being away from home for so many hours almost every day, I still rode 
a fair amount and wore the clown suit.  In the past 2-3 years I have gone back 
to regular clothes for the most part.  I still wear cycling shorts but they’re 
underneath regular shorts or trousers.  I usually wear T-shirts instead of 
jerseys, etc.  I have some more cycle-specific cool/cold weather garb that I 
still use as it works well, but I have some “civilian” stuff that works well 
too (boiled wool jacket, for example).

An interesting thing has happened.  Most racers no longer acknowledge me or 
return my waves; I just get the steely dismissive stare through the sungoggles 
instead.  This doesn’t really seem like a problem, to be honest.  Regular 
people do smile, wave, say hi; car drivers are more courteous.  I spend less 
time getting ready to ride and am out the door quicker.  I am every bit as 
comfortable if not more than when I was wearing bike clothing.  When I get home 
I don’t have to change before hanging out with people.  I can meet somewhere by 
bike for dinner without sticking out like a sore thumb in the restaurant.  And, 
quite frankly, no one wants to look at a 55 year old dude in lycra- and maybe 
not even back in my svelte, athletic, muscly racing days.  I still have all my 
old club jerseys for sentimental reasons, I had a team full of people I really 
liked, but I rarely wear them any more.

There aren’t any down sides.  Normal clothes are a win for me and for everyone 
else.

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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Lynne Fitz
I find it best to remember that each of us is an Experiment of One.  So, 
whatever works best for you.  And don't judge others.

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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Jim Bronson
I went out last night with temps hovering around freezing and rode 24
miles.  Wearing:

top:
Sugoi balaclava
Smartwool baselayer
Woolistic XXL long sleeve jersey
Gore cycling-specific shell
RUSA EN-1150 cycling vest (impedes wind to torso)

bottom:
Pearl Izumi cycling shorts
Louis Garneau cold weather tights
Wool socks of some sort that I bought in Germany when we went for Christmas
in 2010 (highly recommended btw, the trip not the socks.  Well ok the socks
are good too)
Normal athletic shoes - some sort of Avia I bought at wally world.

More typical for rides >10 miles might be
Synthetic jersey
Arm/Leg warmers as required
spandex bike shorts
Costco workout socks, Puma brand (cheaper and better than cycling specific
socks)
Normal shoes

For rides <10 miles round trip
whatever I happen to be wearing that won't get snagged in the chain
Normal shoes

Universal
Helmet
Athletic tape on nipples

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> man, it's been too nasty to cycle here for two weeks - what a bummer - not
> used to that.  When my buddy and I came in two weeks ago, we both happened
> to be in baggy knickers and I told his wife we were both trying out for the
> Men in Knickers Calendar.
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:02:48 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I argue that cycling specific clothing is very comfortable and
>> convenient, but that cycling specific need not include spandex. For me, the
>> features include seams that don't chafe, wicking for tops, odor resistance,
>> and trim fit where possible; high waists in bottoms -- I *hate hate hate* 
>> bottoms
>> that ride down in back; and pockets, tops and bottoms! In fact, bike
>> comfort depends IME as much or more on bike setup as on clothing and for my
>> type of riding -- 30 miles is long -- I don't need crotchal padding. Gloves
>> only for cold, too.
>>
>> In winter I wear synthetic tights or synthetic or wool knickers with wool
>> socks, and wool tops with synthetic vests; in summer I wear any comfortably
>> loose short with relatively long legs and high waist, and alas rayon shirts
>> because I can't find summer-comfortable jerseys that don't stink. But I
>> really miss a trim fit and pockets.
>>
>> Hats, wool with ear covers in winter, cotton in summer: for the brims and
>> as sweat reservoirs.
>>
>> I largely gave up synthetic tops 10 or 12 years ago; wool is far more
>> comfortable, odor free, and temperature-adaptable, IME.
>>
>> SPD or Look shoes -- they will pry my cold dead feet out of my clipless
>> pedals.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I was just reading an issue of Adventure Cycling and noticed that nearly
>>> all riders pictured were wearing spandex shorts and a typical racing bike
>>> shirt.  Grant always argues bike-specific clothing is unnecessary.  I'm
>>> wondering what others have adopted as their cycling outfits.  Around town,
>>> commuting and on short hauls I wear baggy bike-specific shorts most often
>>> with a liner and a regular, often cotton shirt.  For longer rides out of
>>> town, I'll don spandex shorts.  I have fairly large thighs and the spandex
>>> really helps avoid the chaffing.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Ron Mc
man, it's been too nasty to cycle here for two weeks - what a bummer - not 
used to that.  When my buddy and I came in two weeks ago, we both happened 
to be in baggy knickers and I told his wife we were both trying out for the 
Men in Knickers Calendar.  

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:02:48 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I argue that cycling specific clothing is very comfortable and convenient, 
> but that cycling specific need not include spandex. For me, the features 
> include seams that don't chafe, wicking for tops, odor resistance, and trim 
> fit where possible; high waists in bottoms -- I *hate hate hate* bottoms 
> that ride down in back; and pockets, tops and bottoms! In fact, bike 
> comfort depends IME as much or more on bike setup as on clothing and for my 
> type of riding -- 30 miles is long -- I don't need crotchal padding. Gloves 
> only for cold, too.
>
> In winter I wear synthetic tights or synthetic or wool knickers with wool 
> socks, and wool tops with synthetic vests; in summer I wear any comfortably 
> loose short with relatively long legs and high waist, and alas rayon shirts 
> because I can't find summer-comfortable jerseys that don't stink. But I 
> really miss a trim fit and pockets.
>
> Hats, wool with ear covers in winter, cotton in summer: for the brims and 
> as sweat reservoirs. 
>
> I largely gave up synthetic tops 10 or 12 years ago; wool is far more 
> comfortable, odor free, and temperature-adaptable, IME.
>
> SPD or Look shoes -- they will pry my cold dead feet out of my clipless 
> pedals.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Cole  > wrote:
>
>> I was just reading an issue of Adventure Cycling and noticed that nearly 
>> all riders pictured were wearing spandex shorts and a typical racing bike 
>> shirt.  Grant always argues bike-specific clothing is unnecessary.  I'm 
>> wondering what others have adopted as their cycling outfits.  Around town, 
>> commuting and on short hauls I wear baggy bike-specific shorts most often 
>> with a liner and a regular, often cotton shirt.  For longer rides out of 
>> town, I'll don spandex shorts.  I have fairly large thighs and the spandex 
>> really helps avoid the chaffing.  
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Re: [RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Patrick Moore
I argue that cycling specific clothing is very comfortable and convenient,
but that cycling specific need not include spandex. For me, the features
include seams that don't chafe, wicking for tops, odor resistance, and trim
fit where possible; high waists in bottoms -- I *hate hate hate* bottoms
that ride down in back; and pockets, tops and bottoms! In fact, bike
comfort depends IME as much or more on bike setup as on clothing and for my
type of riding -- 30 miles is long -- I don't need crotchal padding. Gloves
only for cold, too.

In winter I wear synthetic tights or synthetic or wool knickers with wool
socks, and wool tops with synthetic vests; in summer I wear any comfortably
loose short with relatively long legs and high waist, and alas rayon shirts
because I can't find summer-comfortable jerseys that don't stink. But I
really miss a trim fit and pockets.

Hats, wool with ear covers in winter, cotton in summer: for the brims and
as sweat reservoirs.

I largely gave up synthetic tops 10 or 12 years ago; wool is far more
comfortable, odor free, and temperature-adaptable, IME.

SPD or Look shoes -- they will pry my cold dead feet out of my clipless
pedals.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Cole  wrote:

> I was just reading an issue of Adventure Cycling and noticed that nearly
> all riders pictured were wearing spandex shorts and a typical racing bike
> shirt.  Grant always argues bike-specific clothing is unnecessary.  I'm
> wondering what others have adopted as their cycling outfits.  Around town,
> commuting and on short hauls I wear baggy bike-specific shorts most often
> with a liner and a regular, often cotton shirt.  For longer rides out of
> town, I'll don spandex shorts.  I have fairly large thighs and the spandex
> really helps avoid the chaffing.
>
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[RBW] Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

2015-03-06 Thread Steve Cole
I was just reading an issue of Adventure Cycling and noticed that nearly 
all riders pictured were wearing spandex shorts and a typical racing bike 
shirt.  Grant always argues bike-specific clothing is unnecessary.  I'm 
wondering what others have adopted as their cycling outfits.  Around town, 
commuting and on short hauls I wear baggy bike-specific shorts most often 
with a liner and a regular, often cotton shirt.  For longer rides out of 
town, I'll don spandex shorts.  I have fairly large thighs and the spandex 
really helps avoid the chaffing.  

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