Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[John Rinker]

Ha, Partick! Who needs studs when you're riding around on that tricycle? 
You ARE the stud!

Cheers, John

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:29:25 PM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hahahaha, a wonderfully bobish solution to the ice problem.   N+1
>
> Will 
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 5:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Forget studs. What you want for winter riding is a British Racing 
>> Tricycle. I owned a nicely restored early '80s Ken Rogers for 18 or 24 
>> months and had great fun riding it over a winter with more than average 
>> snow -- high desert ABQ, NM where it often snows but rarely stays. I recall 
>> how exhilarating it was to see a snow or ice patch in the distance and, 
>> instead of slowing down, being able to speed up. (You can also stop dead on 
>> a hill without unclipping or putting your foot down,)
>>
>> OTOH, the trike had left-hand-drive (other wheel just coasted) for 
>> British traffic so that in Britain the driving wheel pushed the trike 
>> against the slope of the road crown. Riding on the righthand side of the 
>> road was not a problem on the flats, but on steep hills where you had to 
>> stand and honk, the drive wheel would push you toward the curb (kerb) and 
>> you had to lean sharp left to keep the trike going straight. Still, I found 
>> this only a minor annoyance. 
>>
>> Image below for illustrative purposes only; that is not my erstwhile Ken 
>> Rogers.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:11 AM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>>> Longtime studded tire user for winter commuting.  They are great for 
>>> on-road riding when you know there will be ice or patches of snow.  They 
>>> really make no difference in packed snow on trails unless it's likght and 
>>> you're digging through to the ground.  In that situation, volume makes a 
>>> difference, but we're talking 4" tire vs. 50mm tire.  Studded tires are 
>>> heavy.  I have two commuters so I don't have to ride them when roads are 
>>> dry.  Easily 2mph slower and loud.
>>>
>>> If you're planning on buying, I like Marathon winters, but for the usage 
>>> you describe I think you want a wide studded mtb tire.  Not familiar with 
>>> the offerings there.  
>>>
>>> Will near Boston
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[John Rinker]

Thank you all for chiming in with your experiences and advice. Peter, I 
appreciate your thoughts about spikes in deeper snow (we've a lot of that 
out here!) and the need for tall knobs. Takashi, your thought on being 
prepared for ice under the snow is a sound one. And, Andy, I agree that 
while the right equipment is helpful, nothing is a substitute for careful, 
skilled riding in such conditions. 

I'll look more closely at the 45N Kahvas and the Schwalbe Ice Spikers, but 
a cursory glance makes it seem the Ice Spikers have taller knobs. 

Takashi, your warning that these tires 'sound like the end of the world is 
coming' made me laugh out loud. Luckily most of my riding is on gravel 
roads and trails out here.

Cheers, John

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:53:51 AM UTC-8 Takashi wrote:

> I agree with Peter; if you don't know whether there's ice below snow or 
> not, you'd better use studded tires.
>
> Here's a photo from Dec 2020, near Nigorigo Pass (elev. 1700m).
> My Hunqapillar equipped with Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro 29 x 2.25.
> [image: DSC01244.jpg]
>
> They're the fattest tires that can be put on this bike (front derailleur 
> frequently rubbed the rear tire).
> I think Waterford-built Hunq has a slightly wider clearance than mine.
>
> I also have Hakkapeliitta (700c x 40).
> I haven's measured time, but I have a feeling that both tires are equally 
> slow.
> Both work equally well on ice, but when there are ice, slosh, rutted ice, 
> rutted snow etc, it's easier to ride with fatter tires (Ice Spiker Pro).
> Except when you ride on pavement; they sound like the end of the world is 
> coming.
>
> Takashi
>
> 2023年12月4日月曜日 23:10:47 UTC+9 fra...@gmail.com:
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>> Well said, Peter.
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 4:34:18 AM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Studs do nothing for you in snow. They only add weight and are noisy on 
>>> pavement.  Studs are only useful on ice. For snow you need tall tread 
>>> blocks.
>>>
>>> That being said, in winter we tend to get snow with ice, so winter tires 
>>> should have tall tread blacks and studs.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:34 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
 little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
 thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
 nothing about them. 

 Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
 have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?

 Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Ryan Frahm]

Well said, Peter.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 4:34:18 AM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Studs do nothing for you in snow. They only add weight and are noisy on 
> pavement.  Studs are only useful on ice. For snow you need tall tread 
> blocks.
>
> That being said, in winter we tend to get snow with ice, so winter tires 
> should have tall tread blacks and studs.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:34 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>> nothing about them. 
>>
>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>
>> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Peter White]

Studs do nothing for you in snow. They only add weight and are noisy on
pavement.  Studs are only useful on ice. For snow you need tall tread
blocks.

That being said, in winter we tend to get snow with ice, so winter tires
should have tall tread blacks and studs.


On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:34 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know
> nothing about them.
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Will Boericke]

Longtime studded tire user for winter commuting.  They are great for 
on-road riding when you know there will be ice or patches of snow.  They 
really make no difference in packed snow on trails unless it's likght and 
you're digging through to the ground.  In that situation, volume makes a 
difference, but we're talking 4" tire vs. 50mm tire.  Studded tires are 
heavy.  I have two commuters so I don't have to ride them when roads are 
dry.  Easily 2mph slower and loud.

If you're planning on buying, I like Marathon winters, but for the usage 
you describe I think you want a wide studded mtb tire.  Not familiar with 
the offerings there.  

Will near Boston

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 11:29:40 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tires *like* the W106 700x35 Nokians work well for snow and ice on paths, 
> however on rutted ice, they have no studs to pull you out.
> Tires *like* the W240 700x40 Nokians are more aggressive with knobs, stud 
> volume and stud placement.  You can ride these pretty much anywhere.
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Winter and Ice Spiker Pros are great tires and worth a 
> look.
>
> As stated above, more aggressive tread and studs drive traction more than 
> tire width.
>
> I just bought some nice NOS Schwalbe 26x2.35" folding Ice Spiker Pros for 
> my Riv Mtn/Expedition.
>
> Justus,
> Mpls, MN
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:02:51 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, sorry. I didn’t catch the auto correct! Mine are 27.5x2.1. The only 
>> others I used were right at 2”. So I can’t really say if wider helps. I can 
>> say that the more aggressive tread and studs have made a huge difference. 
>> They are about as loud as a car with studded tires though and my old set 
>> made very little noise. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 
>>> 45N Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
>>> frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
>>> metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 
>>>
>>> In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
>>> difference as far a traction goes?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>>
 I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% 
 of the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, 
 thawed a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow 
 again, so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For 
 conditions 
 like that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud 
 than 
 tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on 
 bare 
 pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
 regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
 that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
 cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
 them multiple times.

 Josiah Anderson
 Missoula, MT

 Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
> nothing about them. 
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[J G]

Tires *like* the W106 700x35 Nokians work well for snow and ice on paths, 
however on rutted ice, they have no studs to pull you out.
Tires *like* the W240 700x40 Nokians are more aggressive with knobs, stud 
volume and stud placement.  You can ride these pretty much anywhere.

Schwalbe Marathon Winter and Ice Spiker Pros are great tires and worth a 
look.

As stated above, more aggressive tread and studs drive traction more than 
tire width.

I just bought some nice NOS Schwalbe 26x2.35" folding Ice Spiker Pros for 
my Riv Mtn/Expedition.

Justus,
Mpls, MN

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:02:51 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, sorry. I didn’t catch the auto correct! Mine are 27.5x2.1. The only 
> others I used were right at 2”. So I can’t really say if wider helps. I can 
> say that the more aggressive tread and studs have made a huge difference. 
> They are about as loud as a car with studded tires though and my old set 
> made very little noise. 
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 
>> 45N Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
>> frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
>> metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 
>>
>> In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
>> difference as far a traction goes?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of 
>>> the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed 
>>> a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again, 
>>> so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like 
>>> that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than 
>>> tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare 
>>> pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
>>> regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
>>> that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
>>> cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
>>> them multiple times.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :
>>>
 Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
 little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
 thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
 nothing about them. 

 Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
 have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?

 Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Ryan Frahm]

Yes, sorry. I didn’t catch the auto correct! Mine are 27.5x2.1. The only 
others I used were right at 2”. So I can’t really say if wider helps. I can 
say that the more aggressive tread and studs have made a huge difference. 
They are about as loud as a car with studded tires though and my old set 
made very little noise. 

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 
> 45N Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
> frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
> metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 
>
> In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
> difference as far a traction goes?
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of 
>> the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed 
>> a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again, 
>> so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like 
>> that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than 
>> tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare 
>> pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
>> regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
>> that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
>> cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
>> them multiple times.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :
>>
>>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>>> nothing about them. 
>>>
>>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[John Rinker]

Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 45N 
Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 

In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
difference as far a traction goes?

Cheers, John



On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of 
> the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed 
> a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again, 
> so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like 
> that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than 
> tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare 
> pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
> regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
> that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
> cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
> them multiple times.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :
>
>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>> nothing about them. 
>>
>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Josiah Anderson]

I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of
the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed
a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again,
so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like
that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than
tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare
pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the
regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc
that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for
cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on
them multiple times.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know
> nothing about them.
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Steven Sweedler]

John, for many winters I commuted to work with Nokia Hakkepelitas, 700 x
35. For more grip, riding on local lakes and snowmobike trails, we would
use sheet metal screws on knobby mtb  tires, kind of noisy and slow on any
bare pavement, but very secure on hard ice.


Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 5:34 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know
> nothing about them.
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[John Rinker]

Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
nothing about them. 

Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have 
any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?

Cheers, John

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