Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

2021-11-27 Thread Emily Guise 
These kinds of questions are so fascinating to me! I have a 2018 59cm Clem 
L, and I've test-ridden the medium (55cm?) size Gus (at the Rivelo event 
that Maxcr posted video of). I'm 5'9" and my PBH is 89, so similar to 
yours, Kiley, although I'm 195 lbs. My strongest impressions of both bikes 
are how comfortable they are. They both felt like they fit me right away. 
The Gus had albatross bars on it, and that seemed like the right choice. I 
was surprised the medium Gus fit me so well, when I am used to riding 
larger bikes, but it did. The bars were set about 2 inches above the saddle.

Since it was a test bike, I didn't get to ride it for long, but I did take 
it on a paved and unpaved trail and it felt very stable and was easy to 
control, which is the same feeling I have about my Clem L. They are both 
much faster than they seem- my Clem has a magic quality on a few Portland 
hills where it just seems to propel itself up, and I felt that on the Gus 
too. I also like the longer rear on both for stability when climbing steep 
hills, with or without full panniers.

At that time I wasn't really interested in a Gus or Susie because it did 
seem pretty redundant with my Clem, and I prefer the looks and ease of the 
super low step-through for city riding, although it was fun to ride the Gus 
and compare! Probably if I did more off-road riding they'd appeal more. 
However, I absolutely love the music decals and paint job on the 
Gus/Susies, though. They were really detailed and special. 

-Emily

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 2:12:18 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> I recently found this video, from Grant's visit to Rivelo in 2019, he's 
> talking about the Hillibikes. It's long and a bit slow but it touches on a 
> lot of interesting facts that I didn't know: 
>
> Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTTqXluBEw
>
> Max
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>> I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Eric
 Where in Ohio are you?

 On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

>>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle 
> up!
>
> Eric
> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
 I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have 
>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up 
>> in 
>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing. 
>>
>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike 
>> feels weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between 
>> adding and empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat 
>> post I 
>> put on my Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>
>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some 
>> Rivendell friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this 
>> stuff! 🤣
>>
>> Sorry!
>> L
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be 
>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>
>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her 
>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their 
>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>
>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems 
>> to be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or 
>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>
>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c 
>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550 
>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a 
>> bell.
>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>
>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical 
>> riding weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>
>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 
>> crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, 
>> thinner tubing, lighter crank.
>>
>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next 
>> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
>>

Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

2021-11-21 Thread maxcr 
I recently found this video, from Grant's visit to Rivelo in 2019, he's 
talking about the Hillibikes. It's long and a bit slow but it touches on a 
lot of interesting facts that I didn't know: 

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTTqXluBEw

Max
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Eric
> I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
> Eric
>>> Where in Ohio are you?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle up!

 Eric
 in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently

 On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

>>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have 
> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up 
> in 
> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing. 
>
> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels 
> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding 
> and 
> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on 
> my 
> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>
> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell 
> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 🤣
>
> Sorry!
> L
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>
> While we’re going "arg!"...
> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be 
> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>
> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her 
> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their 
> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>
> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to 
> be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or 
> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>
> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c 
> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550 
> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a 
> bell.
> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>
> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding 
> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>
> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 
> crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, 
> thinner tubing, lighter crank.
>
> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next 
> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
>
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Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

2021-11-20 Thread Jon Dukeman 
Eric
I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus.
>
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>> Where in Ohio are you?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle
>>> up!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
 weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
 the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.

 Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
 weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
 empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
 Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.

 I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
 friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 🤣

 Sorry!
 L

 On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:

 While we’re going "arg!"...
 A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
 answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.

 I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
 build, but I guess that’s OBE.
 How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
 Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?

 Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to
 be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
 We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
 hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.

 I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
 Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
 wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
 levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
 Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a
 bell.
 29 pounds, 3 oz

 Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
 weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.

 A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590
 crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike,
 thinner tubing, lighter crank.

 It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next
 time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.

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Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

2021-11-20 Thread Eric Daume 
Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus.

On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman 
wrote:

> Eric
> Where in Ohio are you?
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle up!
>>
>> Eric
>> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
>>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
>>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
>>> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
>>> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
>>> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>>
>>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
>>> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 🤣
>>>
>>> Sorry!
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>>
>>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
>>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>>
>>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
>>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
>>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>>
>>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to
>>> be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
>>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>>
>>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
>>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
>>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a
>>> bell.
>>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>>
>>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
>>> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>>
>>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 crank
>>> and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, thinner
>>> tubing, lighter crank.
>>>
>>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next
>>> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
>>>
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[RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

2021-11-09 Thread Kiley Demond 
This has probably been hashed over numerous times so at the risk of making 
some of you go "arg!"...

What are the differences of note between Clem L. and Susie W.? 

   - Handling (stability, nimbleness)
   - Wieldy-ness (overall size, weight, etc.)
   - Suitability for electrifying at a future date
   - Any other thoughts, whether experiential or theoretical

The person asking is 5'10" 140lbs with a pbh of 91. I had a 60cm Cheviot 
which I loved but sold several years ago when financial issues overrode 
having such a fancy ride. I would prefer to buy a frame only and do the 
build myself. I was gutted when I saw that an orange Susie W. frame was 
listed (and sold); I wasn't paying sufficient attention. I "won" the 
right-to-purchase lottery for a Clem but couldn't do it because they were 
sold as complete and I hadn't done my due diligence on Susie Ws.

Thank you for your collective insights and wisdom!

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