Re: [RBW] Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-16 Thread Mike Godwin 
We need photo documentation Joe. 

Mike all friction here in SLO CA

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is the part where I annoy everybody..I dislike those shifters. 
> 9-speed Shimano uses clicks in the back that work great (plus friction 
> option), and the front friction shifter doesn't loosen up. Easy! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:38:51 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>>   My shifters only tend to loosen with large shifts in climates, usually 
>> from humid to dry and hot to cold. Rather than trying to tighten it where 
>> it is, I simply don't pedal, then I loosen/release the tension of the 
>> D-ring totally and gently snug it up from fresh from there. 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:08:24 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day when everything was friction shifting, you could tell if 
>>> your frame had more than normal flex in it because the D-rings would need 
>>> to be snugged down more frequently as the frame tugged at the cables.
>>>
>>> As others have said, most friction systems are set-and-forget. You’ll 
>>> know if the D-rings need to be tightened, and then it takes about two 
>>> seconds to do that. 
>>>
>>> Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> My experience is they need to be snugged up every now and then. After a 
>>> while you'll be able to tell as soon as you nudge the D-ring before a ride 
>>> that it's time. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first 
 time using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!

 Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it 
 just need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about 
 it?


 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, 
> you 
> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by 
>> Rivendell. Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or 
>> so 
>> on it, most of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends 
>> ago, which was a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>>
>> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
>> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog 
>> of 
>> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
>> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
>> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up 
>> one 
>> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force 
>> that 
>> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back 
>> to 
>> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
>> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
>> time.
>>
>> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem 
>> like ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear 
>> on 
>> its own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest 
>> all the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a 
>> Silver 
>> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
>> things).
>>
>> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the 
>> collective knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>>
>> Any thoughts or tips?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Joe Bernard 
This is the part where I annoy everybody..I dislike those shifters. 9-speed 
Shimano uses clicks in the back that work great (plus friction option), and 
the front friction shifter doesn't loosen up. Easy! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:38:51 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

>   My shifters only tend to loosen with large shifts in climates, usually 
> from humid to dry and hot to cold. Rather than trying to tighten it where 
> it is, I simply don't pedal, then I loosen/release the tension of the 
> D-ring totally and gently snug it up from fresh from there. 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:08:24 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Back in the day when everything was friction shifting, you could tell if 
>> your frame had more than normal flex in it because the D-rings would need 
>> to be snugged down more frequently as the frame tugged at the cables.
>>
>> As others have said, most friction systems are set-and-forget. You’ll 
>> know if the D-rings need to be tightened, and then it takes about two 
>> seconds to do that. 
>>
>> Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> My experience is they need to be snugged up every now and then. After a 
>> while you'll be able to tell as soon as you nudge the D-ring before a ride 
>> that it's time. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first 
>>> time using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!
>>>
>>> Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it 
>>> just need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about 
>>> it?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
 which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
 want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
 feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 

 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by 
> Rivendell. Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or 
> so 
> on it, most of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends 
> ago, which was a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
>
> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
> shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog 
> of 
> the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
> largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
> would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
> cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force 
> that 
> would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
> the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
> rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
> time.
>
> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
> ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on 
> its 
> own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
> the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
> shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
> things).
>
> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
>
> Any thoughts or tips?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>

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Re: [RBW] Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Garth 
  My shifters only tend to loosen with large shifts in climates, usually 
from humid to dry and hot to cold. Rather than trying to tighten it where 
it is, I simply don't pedal, then I loosen/release the tension of the 
D-ring totally and gently snug it up from fresh from there. 
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:08:24 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Back in the day when everything was friction shifting, you could tell if 
> your frame had more than normal flex in it because the D-rings would need 
> to be snugged down more frequently as the frame tugged at the cables.
>
> As others have said, most friction systems are set-and-forget. You’ll know 
> if the D-rings need to be tightened, and then it takes about two seconds to 
> do that. 
>
> Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> My experience is they need to be snugged up every now and then. After a 
> while you'll be able to tell as soon as you nudge the D-ring before a ride 
> that it's time. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first 
>> time using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!
>>
>> Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it just 
>> need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about it?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, 
>>> which I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you 
>>> want just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a 
>>> feel for, not too tight, not too loose. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by 
 Rivendell. Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so 
 on it, most of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends 
 ago, which was a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.

 Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
 shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog 
 of 
 the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
 largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
 would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
 cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force 
 that 
 would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
 the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
 rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
 time.

 I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
 ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
 own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
 the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
 shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
 things).

 I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
 knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.

 Any thoughts or tips?

 Thanks!

 Adam

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Re: [RBW] Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Back in the day when everything was friction shifting, you could tell if your 
frame had more than normal flex in it because the D-rings would need to be 
snugged down more frequently as the frame tugged at the cables.

As others have said, most friction systems are set-and-forget. You’ll know if 
the D-rings need to be tightened, and then it takes about two seconds to do 
that. 

Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com



> On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> My experience is they need to be snugged up every now and then. After a while 
> you'll be able to tell as soon as you nudge the D-ring before a ride that 
> it's time. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-8 adamc...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> D-ring, yes. I'll give it a shot, thanks for the tip. This is my first time 
> using friction shifting on a bicycle so it's all new to me!
> 
> Does that d-ring / tension tend to need regular attention or does it just 
> need to be dialed initially and then get on with it and forget about it?
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
> From what you wrote Adam it's a matter of adjusting the tension bolt, which 
> I'm assuming is a d-ring, yes ? These are adjustable on the fly, you want 
> just enough tension to hold the gear. It's just something you get a feel for, 
> not too tight, not too loose. 
> 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. Had 
> it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most of 
> them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was a 
> wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.
> 
> Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear shifting 
> was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of the 
> cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next largest cog 
> (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and would shift all 
> the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one cog, but the 
> shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that would 
> typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to the 
> largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out rear 
> shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each time.
> 
> I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like ghost 
> shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its own. It 
> is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all the way to 
> the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver shifter issue 
> (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some things).
> 
> I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
> knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.
> 
> Any thoughts or tips?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Adam
> 
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[RBW] Weird (Silver bar end/friction/Shimano 9sp) shifting issue

2021-11-15 Thread Adam Smith 
Hi everyone,

I am enjoying my brand spanking new Joe Appaloosa built up by Rivendell. 
Had it for about 6 weeks or so, I have put maybe 75 miles or so on it, most 
of them from the Nutmeg Nor'easter ride a couple of weekends ago, which was 
a wonderful 40 mile ride, Joe's maiden voyage I'd say.

Yesterday I was going for a short 6 mile ride and noticed that rear 
shifting was weird. I was able to shift from largest to next largest cog of 
the cassette, no problem, but as soon as I'd try to shift to the next 
largest cog (3rd from largest), it's as though the shifter took over and 
would shift all the way to the smallest cog. I'd then try to shift up one 
cog, but the shifter was resistant to light force, the amount of force that 
would typically shift up a gear.. If I tried to shift all the way back to 
the largest cog this would work. I have a triple up front, I tested out 
rear shifting in each of the front positions with the same results each 
time.

I searched this group and the internet a bit, and it doesn't seem like 
ghost shifting exactly, it's not skipping or shifting a single gear on its 
own. It is ghost-like though in that it is shifting from 3rd largest all 
the way to the smallest cog on its own. I'm unsure if this is a Silver 
shifter issue (tighten the bolt?) or a derailleur issue (adjust some 
things).

I plan to call Rivendell this week, but figured I'd tap the collective 
knowledge and experience of this group in the meantime.

Any thoughts or tips?

Thanks!

Adam

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