Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Andrew Erman]

Dear all,

First, I appreciate being part of this discussion group and reading your 
thoughts on one of the favorite parts of my life (bikes).

My psychology of riding has been heavily influenced by Grant’s Just Ride, that 
he gave me when I purchased my Roadini.  I started to feel less need to meet 
the “shoulds” in my mind - I should ride fast, I should get my heart rate up, I 
should have an aggressive riding posture, I should only go for a ride if it 
will be long enough, etc.

My belief about riding was further influence by the TED Talk How Bicycling 
Connects Us At the Speed of Discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDubr-RjlCE 


I shifted my speed expectation to 10 mph, give or take a couple miles - I 
started to notice more stuff - shapes of trees, garbage on the ground, and I 
started to make more contact with other people - pedestrians, bike riders, even 
people in vehicles.  

I still struggle with getting irritated by walkers, riders and drivers whose 
behaviors interfere with where I want to get and how fast I want to get there.  
When this happens, and if I am on top of my game, I let the movement of others 
and myself play out, like some kind of disorganized dance, and then I am on my 
way again, enjoying the turn of the cranks, my feet on the pedals, feeling the 
wind in my face, looking at all the stuff around me.

Best,

Andy



> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:02 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> We're far enough into this now that the end of pandemic, or at least 
> "opening"  is even a topic. I've sure had some collected thoughts. 
> 
> It's quiet. Air travel has clearly diminished to the point that I look up at 
> every plane that's on its long approach to the airport, 20 miles to the west. 
> Traffic is sparse and I can't help but see those out driving and wonder what 
> essential function they represent with their travel or if they don't care and 
> are just doing what they want. I'm amazed by the large numbers resoundingly 
> represented by the emptiness of the streets. 
> 
> Like other social norms, degrees of individual adoption of instructions and 
> information are visible. Being in healthcare I realize my professional 
> practice make me a critic of degrees of protective preparation for public 
> tasks if not to standard. The open display of waste using disposable PPE 
> incorrectly, without it having a chance of providing the benefit potential to 
> users who wear them, is maddening. Worse are those who appear to elevate PPE 
> like a spiritual protective icon and display such poor discipline in public 
> that they must believe in supernatural powers of their nitrile gloves, face 
> shield masks and (i'm not kidding) ponchos. People want to believe in 
> something and this situation has made it visible in public. Brand names or 
> branded items had been a way people differentiated themselves, now it seems 
> to be the procurement and display of PPE. 
> 
> I learned and used closed loop communication in critical moments in the 
> military and healthcare. It gives closure and verification that what you said 
> was heard, acknowledged, responded to in act and completed. It's ingrained 
> enough in me that I think the public health posture at all levels needs to 
> look at what they see on the street as their feedback because they won't see 
> much of their message being acknowledged intact. I hope the quiet majority 
> who are out of sight, at home, not touching things, not flaunting disposable 
> PPE but rather preserving them for the moments when its precious use is 
> necessary or using alternatives like bandannas suffice. Makes me think of 
> Hopi Kachina dolls that are given to those who will be respectful and care 
> for them responsibly. 
> 
> I ride my bike to and from work because it provides opportunity to connect 
> with the world while separating from both home and work while en route. Most 
> people at the end of a hard day have a little black cloud over their head 
> that goes right into their car with them to go home, little chance for 
> separation. I enjoy what the dark, the cold and the wet contribute to those 
> ends. Even more so these days. I have found a much more clear appreciation of 
> cycling these days and to my observation, so have many others. they are doing 
> it in pursuit of the act itself, in normal clothes, going places. The 
> performance riders in their kit and spacebikes seem to have reverted to 
> Peloton in their basements. 
> 
> We've "quarranteamed" with our young friend in her last semester of nursing 
> school. As the pandemic got foothold in the US and local actions were 
> imminent we reached out and invited to her to spend it with us at our house 
> for a number of practical and psychological reasons. It's been very helpful 
> for all of us to have a bit bigger table set for for meals and daily life. 
> She did insist on bringing her bike and we have been on many rides to 
> maintain perspective. 
> 

Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick:

Cluelessness is in ample supply here in Sacramento as well. I’m seeing a lot of 
people on bikes that 1) look like they’ve been in the garage since the 1990s or 
2) look brand-new. In either case, they’re piloted by people who are too often 
sadly lacking in the skills that are needed on the very busy bike trail on the 
American River. This includes basics like being aware of what’s happening 
around you and checking before wobbling onto the trail. I had to brake and 
swerve to avoid a guy who was steering with one hand while he was looking at a 
cell phone held in the other. He did not look at all before veering toward the 
middle of a narrow pedestrian bridge.

Add to this the children who probably haven’t been on the bike trail before and 
you have the makings of a very stress-inducing day on the bike. 

Another local cyclist described the situation in San Francisco, where the 
popular cycling spots are overrun, but many roads otherwise clogged with cars 
are now almost car-free and quite enjoyable. He recommended heading for the 
latter while the cars are still gone.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> plain old cluelessness

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Patrick Moore]

I once accidentally hooked up with a sort-of-wannabee roadie type and rode
circa 20 miles with him on the city's major Paseo del Bosque bike path one
weekday morning. We were maintaining a good clip, probably close to 20 mph,
and this fellow would yell at pedestrians we passed, "Walk on the *GRAVEL"* --
the paved trail has a wide gravel shoulder. So the gits aren't only in one
category.

But I've had mothers walking side by side with strollers toward me and not
hear my bell or yells until I was on top of them and skidding to a stop, at
which point they froze in panic. Again, not so much bad will or even
selfishness in the usual sense as plain old cluelessness.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:45 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Regarding MUP's and trails, you all may enjoy this recumbent rider's rant
> at those who use/abuse the paths:  http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=4132
>
> ---
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[ANDREW ERMAN]

Excellent

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 6:45 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Regarding MUP's and trails, you all may enjoy this recumbent rider's rant
> at those who use/abuse the paths:  http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=4132
>
>
> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:40:11 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two
>> instances:
>>
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I
>> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not
>> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the
>> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You
>> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>>
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well
>> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and
>> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic
>> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>>
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the
>> black anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they
>> don't have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers.
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They
>> jumped!)
>>
>> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't
>> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as
>> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful
>> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much
>> more out of life!
>>
>> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently.
>>> Some ignore bells.
>>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire.
>>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn
>>> around and then move to the side.
>>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash
>>> into them that alerts them.
>>>
>>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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>> ---
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Patrick Moore]

I wonder if an electric bike would be what you need, even if other users
ride foolishly. I'd certainly think of one if I were in your situation;
nothing more horrible IME than 2 daily commutes on crowded roads in a car.

I tend to move left when an oncoming rider seems to be encroaching on my
right of way, which seems to encourage them to move back into their lane;
OTOH, I scrupulously refrain from doing the same to others -- if am to come
abreast of a pedestrian ahead at the same time an oncoming cyclist reaches
the spot, I will slow to walking speed rather than dart into the oncoming
cyclist's path.

Good luck and thank you for your work

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:07 AM Sky Coulter 
wrote:

> My riding has dropped to almost zero for April; i think i managed to
> commute to work at the start of the month once, but my shifts are 12hrs
> long And i’ve worked almost every calendar day since mid-march so didn’t
> want to risk further compromising my immune system. My next day off is May
> 7th and i’m very much looking forward to a bike ride.
>
> I’ve found people hereabouts - metrovancouver - are very responsive to the
> crane bell chime when i ring it on bike paths. Maybe its because the note
> hangs in the air and as i quickly approach they hear it getting closer,,
> but often they almost scramble to get out of the way. Sometimes i won’t
> ring it and i’ll just wait for an opportunity to go off the path to get
> around pedestrians if i don’t feel rushed and don’t want to startle them.
>
> In general people here abide by the
> animal>pedestrian>human-powered>motor-powered hierarchy on shared access
> paths. The annoying exception is the electric bicycle and scooter crowd.
> There is a narrow shared pedestrian cyclist path on the Patullo bridge i
> commute to work across where there isn’t room for two cyclists to pass each
> other. The signs actually request cyclists to dismount and walk their
> bicycles, although given its 800m long or so, that seems a bit
> unreasonable. But certainly most prudent cyclists, if traveling downhill,
> will pull over and hug the rail for the uphill cyclist when passing. Not so
> the e-biker.
>
> Generally i find they continue at full speed without moving over much at
> all, expecting the uphill cyclist to either stop and get out of their way,
> or to continue on, along the razor edge of the path with large trucks
> passing within a foot of the handlebar.  And they do it with a blissfully
> ignorant smile and not one whiff of bad intention.
>
> It’s really turned me off e-bikes a bit, although part of me would still
> like to put a copenhagen wheel on my clementine so i could commute even on
> the days i feel too worn out. But then i wonder how long it would be before
> i’d become exactly the rider that i loath when i’m sweatily peddling up
> that bridge.
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Erman  wrote:
>
> Too funny
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>>
>> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago,
>> when I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn
>> on that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two
>> instances:
>>
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I
>> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not
>> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the
>> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You
>> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>>
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well
>> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and
>> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic
>> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>>
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the
>> black anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they
>> don't have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers.
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my 

Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Eric Floden]

Sky, Thank you for your good work. I am ringing my cowbell every 7pm for
you...

Me, no riding for over a month. Sure do miss it!

EricF
Vancouver

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 23:07, Sky Coulter  wrote:

> My riding has dropped to almost zero for April; i think i managed to
> commute to work at the start of the month once, but my shifts are 12hrs
> long And i’ve worked almost every calendar day since mid-march so didn’t
> want to risk further compromising my immune system. My next day off is May
> 7th and i’m very much looking forward to a bike ride.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I grew up with a multi use path at the end of my street. I started using it 
at 5-6 when I learned to ride a bicycle. The etiquette of the trail was so 
ingrained in the culture of childhood for my peers and I that even in our 
punky middle school BMX years, we were still "on your left" conscious. I 
still get annoyed when folks don't respond to the bell, clicking levers, or 
on-your-lefts. Now with the paths flooded with folks just trying to get out 
of their houses, I am more aware that the inherent social contract of MUP 
etiquette isn't something that others know or were taught, and I am 
accepting of it more now than ever. While some signage exists, I'm sure, I 
don't expect a family with two dogs, a couple of kids on Razors, another on 
rollerblades, and a stroller to be on edge in case a middle-aged weirdo on 
a lugged bicycle and a wool cardigan rings his bell. 

What this traffic has done for me is make me get out my local maps and come 
up with new rides, which has been fun. I moved to Elgin, IL a year and a 
half ago and have been working on riding all of the streets in town and 
admiring all of the brilliant old houses, flowers, learning all of the 
street names, etc.   

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[George Schick]

Regarding MUP's and trails, you all may enjoy this recumbent rider's rant 
at those who use/abuse the paths:  http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=4132


On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:40:11 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
> instances:
>
> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring 
> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I 
> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not 
> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the 
> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You 
> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>
> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and 
> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic 
> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>
> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black 
> anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't 
> have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They 
> jumped!)
>
> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't 
> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as 
> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful 
> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much 
> more out of life!
>
> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  > wrote:
>
>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
>> Some ignore bells. 
>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around 
>> and then move to the side. 
>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash 
>> into them that alerts them. 
>>
>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[ANDREW ERMAN]

Sky, my heart goes out to you with your challenging work.  I presume you
are in healthcare.   I wish you safety, lots of energy and good quality
sleep when you can get it.  Andy

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 11:07 PM Sky Coulter 
wrote:

> My riding has dropped to almost zero for April; i think i managed to
> commute to work at the start of the month once, but my shifts are 12hrs
> long And i’ve worked almost every calendar day since mid-march so didn’t
> want to risk further compromising my immune system. My next day off is May
> 7th and i’m very much looking forward to a bike ride.
>
> I’ve found people hereabouts - metrovancouver - are very responsive to the
> crane bell chime when i ring it on bike paths. Maybe its because the note
> hangs in the air and as i quickly approach they hear it getting closer,,
> but often they almost scramble to get out of the way. Sometimes i won’t
> ring it and i’ll just wait for an opportunity to go off the path to get
> around pedestrians if i don’t feel rushed and don’t want to startle them.
>
> In general people here abide by the
> animal>pedestrian>human-powered>motor-powered hierarchy on shared access
> paths. The annoying exception is the electric bicycle and scooter crowd.
> There is a narrow shared pedestrian cyclist path on the Patullo bridge i
> commute to work across where there isn’t room for two cyclists to pass each
> other. The signs actually request cyclists to dismount and walk their
> bicycles, although given its 800m long or so, that seems a bit
> unreasonable. But certainly most prudent cyclists, if traveling downhill,
> will pull over and hug the rail for the uphill cyclist when passing. Not so
> the e-biker.
>
> Generally i find they continue at full speed without moving over much at
> all, expecting the uphill cyclist to either stop and get out of their way,
> or to continue on, along the razor edge of the path with large trucks
> passing within a foot of the handlebar.  And they do it with a blissfully
> ignorant smile and not one whiff of bad intention.
>
> It’s really turned me off e-bikes a bit, although part of me would still
> like to put a copenhagen wheel on my clementine so i could commute even on
> the days i feel too worn out. But then i wonder how long it would be before
> i’d become exactly the rider that i loath when i’m sweatily peddling up
> that bridge.
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Erman  wrote:
>
> Too funny
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>>
>> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago,
>> when I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn
>> on that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two
>> instances:
>>
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I
>> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not
>> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the
>> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You
>> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>>
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well
>> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and
>> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic
>> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>>
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the
>> black anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they
>> don't have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers.
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They
>> jumped!)
>>
>> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't
>> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as
>> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful
>> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much
>> more out of life!
>>
>> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella 

Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Sky Coulter]

My riding has dropped to almost zero for April; i think i managed to commute to 
work at the start of the month once, but my shifts are 12hrs long And i’ve 
worked almost every calendar day since mid-march so didn’t want to risk further 
compromising my immune system. My next day off is May 7th and i’m very much 
looking forward to a bike ride.

I’ve found people hereabouts - metrovancouver - are very responsive to the 
crane bell chime when i ring it on bike paths. Maybe its because the note hangs 
in the air and as i quickly approach they hear it getting closer,, but often 
they almost scramble to get out of the way. Sometimes i won’t ring it and i’ll 
just wait for an opportunity to go off the path to get around pedestrians if i 
don’t feel rushed and don’t want to startle them.  

In general people here abide by the 
animal>pedestrian>human-powered>motor-powered hierarchy on shared access paths. 
The annoying exception is the electric bicycle and scooter crowd. 
There is a narrow shared pedestrian cyclist path on the Patullo bridge i 
commute to work across where there isn’t room for two cyclists to pass each 
other. The signs actually request cyclists to dismount and walk their bicycles, 
although given its 800m long or so, that seems a bit unreasonable. But 
certainly most prudent cyclists, if traveling downhill, will pull over and hug 
the rail for the uphill cyclist when passing. Not so the e-biker.

Generally i find they continue at full speed without moving over much at all, 
expecting the uphill cyclist to either stop and get out of their way, or to 
continue on, along the razor edge of the path with large trucks passing within 
a foot of the handlebar.  And they do it with a blissfully ignorant smile and 
not one whiff of bad intention. 

It’s really turned me off e-bikes a bit, although part of me would still like 
to put a copenhagen wheel on my clementine so i could commute even on the days 
i feel too worn out. But then i wonder how long it would be before i’d become 
exactly the rider that i loath when i’m sweatily peddling up that bridge.

Sky in new west





> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Erman  wrote:
> 
> Too funny
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  wrote:
>>> Patrick, 
>>> 
>>> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>>> 
>>> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, when 
>>> I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn on 
>>> that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
 
 Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
 instances:
 
 First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
 width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
 passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring 
 your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I 
 started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not 
 grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on 
 the bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, 
 "You should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
 
 A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
 tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, 
 stretched out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the 
 dickens from well in advance of passing; no reaction! I got within 30 feet 
 and deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in 
 panic and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful 
 laugh.
 
 I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black 
 anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't 
 have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
 (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
 clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They 
 jumped!)
 
 Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't 
 used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as 
 the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful 
 in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much 
 more out of life!
 
 Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
 
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  
> wrote:
> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
> Some ignore bells. 
> So far, none of them have 

Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Spurcycles bell does not carry in the silence of back trails, so I find it 
hard to imagine it working anywhere. I returned it and switched to 
Rivendell's big loud bell: that carries, sounds like a friendly trolly and 
is heard 2/3rd of the time on remote trails. The other 1/3rd? Either hard 
of hearing due to biology or music, or their brain's can't process the 
incongruity of a trolly on a remote trail, so they inexplicably ignore it 
(pretty sure this is 10% of the population). Grin. From the 2/3rd who hear 
it I get profound gratitude as though I'd handed them water after three 
days in the desert.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 5:48:18 PM UTC-6, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Too funny
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>>
>> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, 
>> when I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn 
>> on that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
>> instances:
>>
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring 
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I 
>> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not 
>> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the 
>> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You 
>> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>>
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
>> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and 
>> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic 
>> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>>
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the 
>> black anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they 
>> don't have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They 
>> jumped!)
>>
>> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't 
>> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as 
>> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful 
>> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much 
>> more out of life!
>>
>> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella > > wrote:
>>
>>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
>>> Some ignore bells. 
>>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
>>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn 
>>> around and then move to the side. 
>>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash 
>>> into them that alerts them. 
>>>
>>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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Too funny

> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  > wrote:
> Patrick, 
> 
> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
> 
> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, when I 
> switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn on that 
> bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Andy
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
>> instances:
>> 
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring 
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I started 
>> ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not grossly so. 
>> He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the bike, at 
>> which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You should 
>> have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>> 
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
>> in advance of passing; no reaction! I got within 30 feet and deliberately 
>> skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic and scattered. I 
>> continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>> 
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black 
>> anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't 
>> have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They jumped!)
>> 
>> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't used 
>> to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as the 
>> cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful in 
>> other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much more 
>> out of life!
>> 
>> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella > > wrote:
>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
>> Some ignore bells. 
>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around 
>> and then move to the side. 
>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash into 
>> them that alerts them. 
>> 
>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Patrick Moore]

Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>
> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, when
> I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn on
> that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two
> instances:
>
> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the
> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of
> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring
> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I
> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not
> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the
> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You
> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>
> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong
> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched
> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well
> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and
> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic
> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>
> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black
> anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't
> have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers.
> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on
> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They
> jumped!)
>
> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't
> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as
> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful
> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much
> more out of life!
>
> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella 
> wrote:
>
>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently.
>> Some ignore bells.
>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire.
>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around
>> and then move to the side.
>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash
>> into them that alerts them.
>>
>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people.
>>
>> Ray
>>
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[Leah Peterson]

I laughed out loud. “I pushed her into the ditch.”

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
> instances:
> 
> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring your 
> bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I started 
> ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not grossly so. He 
> replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the bike, at which 
> point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You should have a 
> bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
> 
> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
> in advance of passing; no reaction! I got within 30 feet and deliberately 
> skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic and scattered. I 
> continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
> 
> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black 
> anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't 
> have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They jumped!)
> 
> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't used 
> to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as the 
> cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful in 
> other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much more 
> out of life!
> 
> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
>> Some ignore bells. 
>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around 
>> and then move to the side. 
>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash into 
>> them that alerts them. 
>> 
>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Andrew Erman]

Patrick, 

Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?

I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, when I 
switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn on that bike 
to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!

Best,

Andy

> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
> instances:
> 
> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring your 
> bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I started 
> ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not grossly so. He 
> replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the bike, at which 
> point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You should have a 
> bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
> 
> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
> in advance of passing; no reaction! I got within 30 feet and deliberately 
> skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic and scattered. I 
> continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
> 
> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black 
> anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't 
> have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They jumped!)
> 
> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't used 
> to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as the 
> cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful in 
> other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much more 
> out of life!
> 
> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
> 
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  > wrote:
> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
> Some ignore bells. 
> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around and 
> then move to the side. 
> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash into 
> them that alerts them. 
> 
> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Patrick Moore]

Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two
instances:

First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the
width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of
passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring
your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I
started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not
grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the
bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You
should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.

A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong
tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched
out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well
in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and deliberately
skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic and scattered.
I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.

I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the black
anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they don't
have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers.
(Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on
clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They
jumped!)

Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't
used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as
the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful
in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much
more out of life!

Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently.
> Some ignore bells.
> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire.
> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around
> and then move to the side.
> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash into
> them that alerts them.
>
> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people.
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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Ray Varella]

I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
Some ignore bells. 
So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn around and 
then move to the side. 
I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash into them 
that alerts them. 

Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Andrew Erman]

I am finding people walking in the middle of the streets of residential 
neighborhoods (even ones that are all apartment buildings) - not to avoid 
anyone, just walking in the middle of the street.  I am presented with the 
dilemma of how to get by them and keep social distance.  I am frankly at a loss 
why people are doing this.  I presume they are afraid of contracting the virus, 
but not of getting hit by a car?  The big bike bell from RBW gets people’s 
attention.  

I am trying not to get too irritated because it ruins my ride.

Andy



> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Interesting new scars?! Did you get hit by a car???
> 
> I’ve been wanting to chime back in here again about more new things I’m 
> learning. 
> 
> 1. I despise vehicles. I thought I disliked them before but I despise them 
> now. It’s been quieter on the roads and I’ve been enjoying audiobooks with my 
> air pods, and you know what? Cars go screaming by me so loudly that I can’t 
> hear my books. And my Apple Watch alerts me that the decibels I’m 
> experiencing will cause eventual hearing loss. I wonder how many of us have 
> or will have some damage to our hearing from the noise of traffic.
> 
> 2. While I’d never hurt a pedestrian, I am in favor of making them 
> uncomfortable when they deserve it. Now, I am sure some of you will want to 
> chastise me, but don’t bother because it will fall on my increasingly deaf 
> ears.
> 
> I usually have the paths to myself, but in quarantine people are out in 
> droves. Initially, I’d smooth over all the situations where pedestrians were 
> wildly out of etiquette. I was out there apologizing when they were in the 
> wrong lane and I was approaching, more apologizing when they didn’t 
> understand the bell, apologizing when their off-leash dog lunged for me in 
> passing, apologizing if they startled as I passed by...  Now I’m getting 
> tougher out there, because I’ve had enough.
> 
> Last night, I’m on a paved MUP and the couple in front of me (and their dog) 
> are taking up the ENTIRE path. This path is WIDE, meant for two-way traffic, 
> and the couple’s roving was extreme. He’s one one side, she and the dog are 
> on the other and all 3 of them are weaving. Though this MUP is a 2-way, I 
> cannot pass by.  I’m riding uphill and hate to break momentum, but I slow 
> w down and wait for them to notice me. The husband darts off to the 
> right and the wife looks irritated with me and freezes. I ride by silently 
> and slowly, refusing to diffuse the situation with words or a smile.  I’m 
> sure they felt caught off-guard. I’m sure it was uncomfortable. Good. They 
> are on a shared path and they aren’t sharing. After being startled maybe 
> they’ll pay attention and be courteous.
> 
> Now, if you are a child, anything goes. Those little buggers are out there 
> with their scooters, bikes, plasma cars, strollers, wagons and Power Wheels. 
> They’re careening all over and veering and swerving and causing mayhem. 
> 
> And I will smile and wave at them all. 殺 Go wild, munchkins!
> Leah
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>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 5:57 PM, aeroperf  wrote:
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>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 5:57 PM, aeroperf  wrote:
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[RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[John TeRonde]

One positive that we’ve been emphasizing in our house is learning to ride 
safely on city streets. My 11 year old daughter was a late adopter to cycling. 

We live near downtown in Denver and we have always been hesitant to have her 
ride much on the “real” roads. 

Our daily rides on my Sam and her Woom Bike have felt much safer. While I hate 
not being able to ride trails, that fact that my daughter can ride with me on 
the streets has been fantastic. She now fully realizes the rules of the road. 

I love cars and love driving, but in all honesty I don’t miss them at all. 

So she learned road safety, but more importantly, how you can use you bike for 
both utility and fun! 

We are looking forward to a time in the future where we have the choice of 
streets or trails.

John and Julia

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[Eric Daume]

I've learned to start riding on the road again. It's less crowded, and now
it's a way to avoid the crowds on the bike paths.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:20 PM aeroperf  wrote:

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> It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear
> about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.
>
> I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being
> rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve
> been cranking away in relatively straight lines.
>
> Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how
> to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
> My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to
> either open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up”
> coast through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably
> both the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put
> me lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting
> in tight quarters for me.
>
> So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?
> Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?
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[RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[aeroperf]

It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear 
about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.

I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being 
rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve 
been cranking away in relatively straight lines.

Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how 
to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to either 
open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up” coast 
through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably both 
the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put me 
lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting in 
tight quarters for me.

So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?  
Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?

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