Re: [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer
My error: 4' is the new passing law, 4 is what I seem to get from the satanic drivers of public transit. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 4:44:53 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: Four inch passing law? Damn, that's generous! On 08/10/2015 02:56 PM, ascpgh wrote: The enforcement will certainly be retrospective, part of the aftermath following an event. There are worse conflagrations occurring without citation for that to become an objective of policing. Just like our 4 passing law here in PA where the worst offenders are the professional drivers of busses and municipal vehicles. Citations have attached in a few noteworthy incidents where CCTV captured violations preceding crashes between bikes and motor vehicles. Your senator's effort attempts to codify common sense, a fool's pursuit. The volumes will break the shelves before being fully encompassing. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 1:27:17 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: To paraphrase Bill Lindsey: INITIATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE Meanwhile I heard on the radio this morning that some (presumably) well-meaning state senator in New Jersey has introduced a bill that would REQUIRE anyone cycling after sunset to wear a reflective vest or other reflective clothing. Typical rationale from a legislator who thinks more laws will solve everything: It's very clear to me that drivers are more likely to see a cyclist if the cyclist is wearing a reflective vest. Of course, New Jersey already has a law requiring cyclists to have front and rear lights on their bikes if riding after sunset. So every Garden State cyclist who wants to ride after dark would have to buy a headlight, a taillight, and now a reflective vest. Under the proposed law, if you don't comply, you're fined. I *like* reflective stuff – I have triangles on the rear bags of several of my bikes. But why is it the cyclist's responsibility to pay for more equipment in the hope that it will catch the attention of a motorist who is so careless that he doesn't notice a bike with lights on it front and rear? Sheesh. TERMINATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer
http://road.cc/content/news/160492-chris-boardman-films-cycle-safety-video-instructing-drivers-how-pass-safely Boardman has smart things to say about cyclists' safety in traffic. Viewers complained when Boardman was seen riding around Manchester in a dark coat and jeans. “I had the audacity to ride a bicycle in normal clothes and was pilloried for it,” he said. “I dressed as I would to drive down the shops. I have nothing against helmets. Video: Close-passing, ultra-sweary driver takes a tumble after chasing and kicking out at cyclist 18 things that cyclists hate “If I go on a long ride I wear one – sometimes out of habit, often on a mountain bike – but I am under no illusion about the effect on my safety. I manufacture the things. In an incident with a car they will have almost no effect. “They are being used to deflect from making real decisions and I won’t waste air time talking about them. The danger for me is being hit by a vehicle doing something it shouldn’t. We should focus on how we stop accidents not what happens to people who have them.” He said that cycling around town was a clear winner for health and the environment. “We are drowning in data – economic, health, pollution, you pick any battleground you want and using cycling as a mode of transport for short journeys wins hands down,” he adds. “The only way to get people to exercise more is to get them to include it in their daily life. It is not about cyclists but communities. We need infrastructure and there need to be laws to protect people. At the moment the easiest way to kill somebody is to do it in a car with the minimum penalty. As a logical person I am desperately frustrated that we are even talking about this. The fact that we have to push for it is ludicrous.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer
To paraphrase Bill Lindsey: INITIATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE Meanwhile I heard on the radio this morning that some (presumably) well-meaning state senator in New Jersey has introduced a bill that would REQUIRE anyone cycling after sunset to wear a reflective vest or other reflective clothing. Typical rationale from a legislator who thinks more laws will solve everything: It's very clear to me that drivers are more likely to see a cyclist if the cyclist is wearing a reflective vest. Of course, New Jersey already has a law requiring cyclists to have front and rear lights on their bikes if riding after sunset. So every Garden State cyclist who wants to ride after dark would have to buy a headlight, a taillight, and now a reflective vest. Under the proposed law, if you don't comply, you're fined. I like reflective stuff – I have triangles on the rear bags of several of my bikes. But why is it the cyclist's responsibility to pay for more equipment in the hope that it will catch the attention of a motorist who is so careless that he doesn't notice a bike with lights on it front and rear? Sheesh. TERMINATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Moore Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:14 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch Subject: [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer http://road.cc/content/news/160492-chris-boardman-films-cycle-safety-video-instructing-drivers-how-pass-safely Boardman has smart things to say about cyclists' safety in traffic. Viewers complained when Boardman was seen riding around Manchester in a dark coat and jeans. “I had the audacity to ride a bicycle in normal clothes and was pilloried for it,” he said. “I dressed as I would to drive down the shops. I have nothing against helmets. Video: Close-passing, ultra-sweary driver takes a tumble after chasing and kicking out at cyclist 18 things that cyclists hate “If I go on a long ride I wear one – sometimes out of habit, often on a mountain bike – but I am under no illusion about the effect on my safety. I manufacture the things. In an incident with a car they will have almost no effect. “They are being used to deflect from making real decisions and I won’t waste air time talking about them. The danger for me is being hit by a vehicle doing something it shouldn’t. We should focus on how we stop accidents not what happens to people who have them.” He said that cycling around town was a clear winner for health and the environment. “We are drowning in data – economic, health, pollution, you pick any battleground you want and using cycling as a mode of transport for short journeys wins hands down,” he adds. “The only way to get people to exercise more is to get them to include it in their daily life. It is not about cyclists but communities. We need infrastructure and there need to be laws to protect people. At the moment the easiest way to kill somebody is to do it in a car with the minimum penalty. As a logical person I am desperately frustrated that we are even talking about this. The fact that we have to push for it is ludicrous.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer
The enforcement will certainly be retrospective, part of the aftermath following an event. There are worse conflagrations occurring without citation for that to become an objective of policing. Just like our 4 passing law here in PA where the worst offenders are the professional drivers of busses and municipal vehicles. Citations have attached in a few noteworthy incidents where CCTV captured violations preceding crashes between bikes and motor vehicles. Your senator's effort attempts to codify common sense, a fool's pursuit. The volumes will break the shelves before being fully encompassing. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 1:27:17 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: To paraphrase Bill Lindsey: INITIATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE Meanwhile I heard on the radio this morning that some (presumably) well-meaning state senator in New Jersey has introduced a bill that would REQUIRE anyone cycling after sunset to wear a reflective vest or other reflective clothing. Typical rationale from a legislator who thinks more laws will solve everything: It's very clear to me that drivers are more likely to see a cyclist if the cyclist is wearing a reflective vest. Of course, New Jersey already has a law requiring cyclists to have front and rear lights on their bikes if riding after sunset. So every Garden State cyclist who wants to ride after dark would have to buy a headlight, a taillight, and now a reflective vest. Under the proposed law, if you don't comply, you're fined. I *like* reflective stuff – I have triangles on the rear bags of several of my bikes. But why is it the cyclist's responsibility to pay for more equipment in the hope that it will catch the attention of a motorist who is so careless that he doesn't notice a bike with lights on it front and rear? Sheesh. TERMINATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Moore *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 1:14 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch *Subject:* [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer http://road.cc/content/news/160492-chris-boardman-films-cycle-safety-video-instructing-drivers-how-pass-safely Boardman has smart things to say about cyclists' safety in traffic. Viewers complained when Boardman was seen riding around Manchester in a dark coat and jeans. “I had the audacity to ride a bicycle in normal clothes and was pilloried for it,” he said. “I dressed as I would to drive down the shops. I have nothing against helmets. Video: Close-passing, ultra-sweary driver takes a tumble after chasing and kicking out at cyclist 18 things that cyclists hate “If I go on a long ride I wear one – sometimes out of habit, often on a mountain bike – but I am under no illusion about the effect on my safety. I manufacture the things. In an incident with a car they will have almost no effect. “They are being used to deflect from making real decisions and I won’t waste air time talking about them. The danger for me is being hit by a vehicle doing something it shouldn’t. We should focus on how we stop accidents not what happens to people who have them.” He said that cycling around town was a clear winner for health and the environment. “We are drowning in data – economic, health, pollution, you pick any battleground you want and using cycling as a mode of transport for short journeys wins hands down,” he adds. “The only way to get people to exercise more is to get them to include it in their daily life. It is not about cyclists but communities. We need infrastructure and there need to be laws to protect people. At the moment the easiest way to kill somebody is to do it in a car with the minimum penalty. As a logical person I am desperately frustrated that we are even talking about this. The fact that we have to push for it is ludicrous.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212
Re: [RBW] Wise Words from a Wracer
Four inch passing law? Damn, that's generous! On 08/10/2015 02:56 PM, ascpgh wrote: The enforcement will certainly be retrospective, part of the aftermath following an event. There are worse conflagrations occurring without citation for that to become an objective of policing. Just like our 4 passing law here in PA where the worst offenders are the professional drivers of busses and municipal vehicles. Citations have attached in a few noteworthy incidents where CCTV captured violations preceding crashes between bikes and motor vehicles. Your senator's effort attempts to codify common sense, a fool's pursuit. The volumes will break the shelves before being fully encompassing. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 1:27:17 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: To paraphrase Bill Lindsey: INITIATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE Meanwhile I heard on the radio this morning that some (presumably) well-meaning state senator in New Jersey has introduced a bill that would REQUIRE anyone cycling after sunset to wear a reflective vest or other reflective clothing. Typical rationale from a legislator who thinks more laws will solve everything: It's very clear to me that drivers are more likely to see a cyclist if the cyclist is wearing a reflective vest. Of course, New Jersey already has a law requiring cyclists to have front and rear lights on their bikes if riding after sunset. So every Garden State cyclist who wants to ride after dark would have to buy a headlight, a taillight, and now a reflective vest. Under the proposed law, if you don't comply, you're fined. I _like_ reflective stuff – I have triangles on the rear bags of several of my bikes. But why is it the cyclist's responsibility to pay for more equipment in the hope that it will catch the attention of a motorist who is so careless that he doesn't notice a bike with lights on it front and rear? Sheesh. TERMINATE CURMUDGEON SUBROUTINE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
