Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread Philip Williamson 
Imagine trying to remove the derailleur hanger with a big Crescent wrench. 
Hard. I think you might do it with four or five 90 degree bends. Bending it two 
degrees straight, or three degrees and back a skoodj won't hurt anything.
If it does break, you'd replace the hanger, which is your option now.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread Howard Hatten 
Jason

I have one of those alignment tools and I never hesitate to use it when needed. 
 The beauty of steel, can be bent back into shape. I say go for it. 

Howard
Michigan

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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread clyde canter 
Wheels mfg dropout saver will fix it if that is in fact the case.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:14 AM, clyde canter  wrote:

> Don't know if this is relevant to your situation but it is possible for
> two sets of threads to exist in the same hole. This is most likely
> accomplished when chasing threads for paint etc. I know this to be true as
> I've done it before, unintentionally of course.  If this is the case it
> should be evident if the shoulder of the derailleur and the  edge of the
> hanger aren't mating  properly.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, jandrews_nyc 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday
>> seemed suspect.
>> A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
>> I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear
>> spokes.  The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted
>> pretty hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did
>> wreck slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike
>> went down.
>> So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
>> I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
>> I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another
>> mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point
>> he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before
>> and the steel could break.
>> The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or
>> the smallest cog because of the bend.
>> When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to
>> the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates
>> due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and
>> now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the
>> moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.
>>
>>
>> What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just
>> try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put
>> in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a
>> new one from Riv.
>> Thanks in advance for your advice.
>> Jason
>> Photo below:
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado 
I doubt the derailleur hanger will break. You really don't have anything to 
lose.It's no fun if your derailleur isn't shifting properly.
Just ensure the mechanic has the correct tool and knows what he is doing.
Jon


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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread clyde canter 
Don't know if this is relevant to your situation but it is possible for two
sets of threads to exist in the same hole. This is most likely
accomplished when chasing threads for paint etc. I know this to be true as
I've done it before, unintentionally of course.  If this is the case it
should be evident if the shoulder of the derailleur and the  edge of the
hanger aren't mating  properly.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, jandrews_nyc 
wrote:

> Hi
> Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday
> seemed suspect.
> A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
> I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear spokes.
> The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted pretty
> hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did wreck
> slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike went down.
> So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
> I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
> I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another
> mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point
> he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before
> and the steel could break.
> The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or the
> smallest cog because of the bend.
> When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to
> the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates
> due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and
> now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the
> moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.
>
>
> What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just
> try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put
> in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a
> new one from Riv.
> Thanks in advance for your advice.
> Jason
> Photo below:
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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread Steve Palincsar 
I think steel is not aluminum.  I'd worry that aluminum would break, but 
far less so with steel.  What's more, if your alternate is to take it to 
a frame builder and have a new one installed, that's a fine backup plan 
if and when the hanger breaks when you bend it a second time.  In other 
words, if you plan to replace it anyway, what have you got to lose by 
trying to straighten it?


On 03/01/2016 08:53 AM, jandrews_nyc wrote:

Hi
Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop 
yesterday seemed suspect.

A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear 
spokes.  The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over 
shifted pretty hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening 
but I did wreck slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling 
and the bike went down.

So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had 
another mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool. 
 At that point he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's 
been done once before and the steel could break.
The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or 
the smallest cog because of the bend.
When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due 
to the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain 
skates due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of 
those cogs and now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This 
is fine for the moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all 
sorted before spring.



What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I 
just try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new 
dropout put in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if 
I could get a new one from Riv.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
Jason
Photo below:




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[RBW] derailleur hanger

2016-03-01 Thread jandrews_nyc 
Hi
Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday 
seemed suspect.
A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear spokes. 
 The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted pretty 
hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did wreck 
slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike went down.
So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another 
mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point 
he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before 
and the steel could break.
The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or the 
smallest cog because of the bend.
When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to the 
inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates due to 
the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and now my 8 
speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the moment as 
I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.


What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just 
try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put 
in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a 
new one from Riv.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Jason
Photo below:



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