Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
Have you tried stretching while on the bike? There are a number of different stretches to do while still moving along, although the best is still to dismount every so often and walk 'em out a bit. In the end, I think some strain and discomfort is inevitable -- at least it is for me -- when pedaling in that position for 100 miles. Note that I refer to strain, not pain. If it's painful, then there are other problems that should be addressed. One other member recently commented that he often raises or lowers h'bars and fiddles with his seat several times during marathon rides. That sounds smart to me. Wish I could give credit to the poster, but I forgot who it was, now. From: happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 11:43:57 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr On Apr 22, 2:19 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Not really. I move my hands around a lot to avoid numbness, but that's about it. I felt great at the end of the 400. I would be in heaven if I could complete a century without excruciating shoulder/neck and lower back fatigue. Any advice? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
on 4/22/10 11:43 PM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 22, 2:19 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Not really. I move my hands around a lot to avoid numbness, but that's about it. I felt great at the end of the 400. I would be in heaven if I could complete a century without excruciating shoulder/neck and lower back fatigue. Any advice? Shorter/higher stem would be a place to look. You might have someone snap an image of you on the bike from the side, so you see what you are doing. Sometimes, that can be instructive. I've found that the yoga I've been doing over the last year is really paying benefits. Specifically, as I used to tire, my torso would start to hang slightly from my shoulder joints. It's a bit tricky to explain rather than show, but you can often notice as your shoulders move up towards your ears. I'm now noticing this before it really starts, and can shift around a bit, rely upon the shoulder muscles that the yoga have helped restore, stack my bones a bit so I'm not relying on the tendons and muscles. That sort of thing. Also, a lot of low back pain has to do with core strength issues - i.e. stomach muscles. Cycling does nothing for your gut, and since the organs are just kind of hanging there, they pull down, exacerbating the problem. Again, the yoga has helped me feel when that's starting to occur. Finally, I'd offer that when you feel the pain, it's too late. You're better off being very proactive, as Ray said, in getting off the bike, stretching a bit, walking around, and moving differently before you start to hurt. Most of the randonneurs I know who do the longer distances all spent some time getting comfortable, and more importantly, staying comfortable, at shorter distances. If you are comfortable, the mileage will take care of itself. hope that helps, - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Workshops of the iBob's Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:44 AM, rswat...@me.com wrote: I can understand rules about support cars, but not being allowed to help your fellow riders is pretty weak. I'm not sure I get the point of randonneuring. Sounds like they take a nice ride and spoil it with a bunch of arbitrary rules and limits. Helping other riders is not normally considered to be personal support. So, yes, you can hold another rider's bike while they fix a flat. There's a thread on the randon list right now about the most memorable repairs riders have helped with on other rider's bikes. --glenn West Chester, PA, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
CycloFiend wrote: ...as I used to tire, my torso would start to hang slightly from my shoulder joints. It's a bit tricky to explain rather than show, but you can often notice as your shoulders move up towards your ears. Yeah, I call this turtling, when your shoulders hunch up around your ears and your neck disappears down into your chest, sometimes with your head hanging, too. Like a turtle pulling back into his shell. I try to avoid doing this by focussing on keeping my back straight(ish) and my head up...the old try to touch the top tube with your belly button, exercise works for me. Most of my lower back problems were solved by moving my saddle a bit forward and my bars down a little, FWIW. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
on 4/22/10 7:14 AM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: And what is the Randonneur's creed as far as helping another rider with a flat? It looks like you guys made poor Ealine throw her bike down in the gravel while she fixed her flat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4531814840/in/set-72157623758002717/ You guys have nice bikes, can't you hold a fellow randonneur's bike so it doesn't get damaged while they work on the wheel? from rusa.org: Article 6 Each rider must be self sufficient. No personal follow cars or support of any kind are permitted on the course. Personal support is only allowed at checkpoints. Any violation of this requirement will result in immediate disqualification. Laying a bike on its side really shouldn't damage it. Most of the time on longer rides, I'll use another's mechanical or natural break as a time to check my rig, refuel, get food or layers out and make ready for the next section. If you are interested in brevets, most clubs usually put on Populaires during the summer, so you get familiar with the format and meet the riders. I will say that the randonneurs I've ridden with are some of the best folks I've been lucky to meet. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
I can understand rules about support cars, but not being allowed to help your fellow riders is pretty weak. I'm not sure I get the point of randonneuring. Sounds like they take a nice ride and spoil it with a bunch of arbitrary rules and limits. I'm doing a 300K Brevet Saturday :-D Ryan On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:30 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/22/10 7:14 AM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: And what is the Randonneur's creed as far as helping another rider with a flat? It looks like you guys made poor Ealine throw her bike down in the gravel while she fixed her flat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4531814840/in/set-72157623758002717/ You guys have nice bikes, can't you hold a fellow randonneur's bike so it doesn't get damaged while they work on the wheel? from rusa.org: Article 6 Each rider must be self sufficient. No personal follow cars or support of any kind are permitted on the course. Personal support is only allowed at checkpoints. Any violation of this requirement will result in immediate disqualification. Laying a bike on its side really shouldn't damage it. Most of the time on longer rides, I'll use another's mechanical or natural break as a time to check my rig, refuel, get food or layers out and make ready for the next section. If you are interested in brevets, most clubs usually put on Populaires during the summer, so you get familiar with the format and meet the riders. I will say that the randonneurs I've ridden with are some of the best folks I've been lucky to meet. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
I've never had trouble with the straps. The new Camelbak I was using last Saturday has wider straps with light padding, so I think it will work even better than the older model with unpadded straps. On hot days, having a bladder full of cold water on my back really helps cool me down. When it's hot, I start packing the bladder with mostly ice an a little water so I have an continuous supply of ice water. That being said, some people just don't like having anything on their back. As with everything else, YMMV. --Eric Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2010, at 7:14 AM, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 22, 7:45 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, great time on the 400k. Good job! The green Rivendell in the photos, is that yours? Looks like you rode with a Camel Back. Man, I don't think I could take 17hrs of that weird sloshing sound but then again, I bet you had no issues with hydration. Oh, yeah. I forgot about the Camel Back. After 17 hours, do the straps feel like they are cutting into your skin? And what is the Randonneur's creed as far as helping another rider with a flat? It looks like you guys made poor Ealine throw her bike down in the gravel while she fixed her flat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4531814840/in/set-72157623758002717/ You guys have nice bikes, can't you hold a fellow randonneur's bike so it doesn't get damaged while they work on the wheel? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
Not really. I move my hands around a lot to avoid numbness, but that's about it. I felt great at the end of the 400. Keep in mind that I've been doing long distance rides for a long time (rode my first double century in 1983), and I have my position on the bike pretty much dialed in. --Eric Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:51 AM, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: So you don't even get shoulder/neck aches after 17 hours riding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr
We did have great weather. Next up is a 600-kilometer (375 mile) ride on May 22. --Eric Sent from my iPad On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:05 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That's quite a ride. Very well done. Looks like you had close to ideal weather. On Apr 21, 8:46 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Lots of Rivendells were on this ride. My Riv Road and I finished the 250+ mile course in 17:18. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623758002717/ --Eric Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
