Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
Huh? Can we stop all the talk about? Uh... no? Referring to cars might get old if it happens all the time, just like composing haiku might get old if it happens all the time. I don't think you'd ask, but don't expect to bring a halt to haiku writing in the forum if you do. bicycle does not mean anything but car. And referring to a car or something about a car is not referring to car culture, a phrase which it seems is intended to imply a taint that ain't. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P.S. Heaven forfend the choice, but I'd rather someone stole my car than my bike. And though I only do it a few times a year, I'm very lucky I found a way to haul my Hillborne on my Fit. - newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: OK this post has nothing to do with the question at hand-but can we stop all the talk about cars?There was a 'Jaguar' reference in another thread, here a 'Triumph' reference, somebody bought a new car in yet another thread, and now we have the Pontiac Aztec. I mean no disrespect nor to pick on anyone in particular but come on, this is a *bicycle* forum and we are all bicyclists here- we can draw analogies from something other than car culture, can't we? On Oct 29, 6:02 am, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: I completely agree I should be taller. 6ft 1.25inches would be perfect. And I should weigh about 195 after each of my four daily meals. I find that riding a too-small bike is just not as pleasant as riding a right-sized bike. And I think the RBW notions of right-sized work perfectly. I'll happily spend your money for you... go custom. Now, concerning the top tubes Strength-wise my pure speculation as a pure layman is that for the sizes where RBW is using double top tubes, there's substantial strength increase with the diaga-tube versus the 'llel-a-tube. And that increase is probably in the ballpark with the increase of a 'llel- a-tube over a single top tube frame. For the diaga-tube, look how small those triangles are! If it's just marketing, well... it's worked on me. For the 'llel-a-tube... well, adding extra material itself has to help. And it does make the main triangle smaller. But having that long hallway above suggests it's not the most strength-efficient design. That long rectangle allows a lot of leverage for deformation. Of course, the real question is: Do the strength-enhancement differences between one tube vs. 'llel-a-tube vs. diaga-tube matter in a given application: rider height (i.e. frame size), weight, and usage... 200#, 10mph flat paved roads? 275#, 20mph boulder-hopping in sink-hole land? Well, I've made my bet: I've bet that a well-loved 'llel-a-tube'd 60cm Hillborne will last indefinitely with a 260# load daily on not-great roads and decent trails, 5000 miles/year. The first four months have been perfect! I'll let you know in a few years how that's going. Aesthetics-wise... come on! Diaga-tubes just look wacky! :) Okay, they're not that bad. But they do not look great. They're visually confusing, even if you can eek out a symmetry knowing that they simply flipped the middle head-lug. Hate to say it, because it really isn't that bad but they put me in mind of the Pontiac Aztek. I'm just sayin'. I wouldn't let it stop me from buying one, of course. My appreciation of its strength, whether or not it made a practical difference for me, easily overwhelms the aesthetics. And it's a bike that says 'I don't care if *you* like it; I do! to those who note its looks. Non-violent assertions of independence have intrinsic value. And of course, if the diaga-tube'd bike fit but the 'llel-a-tube almost fit... I'd definitely go diaga. But I have literally had compliments yelled at me half-a-dozen times by men and women who see my 'llel-a-tubed Hillborne. I have also been stopped by people who simply wanted to tell me they liked my bike and to chat about it. Where did you get it? What's the second tube for? I love the paint! Comments came from non-clubby bike folks *and* from mainstream I-don't- live-for-bikes people. It is a stunningly attractive object. I wouldn't expect such mainstream ad hoc looks love for a Diaga-pillar or Bomba-diag. Oh, and if you do go custom... get a two-tubed Atlantis-y thing instead of a Hunqa-y thing... Based on my Hillborne experiences, having *level* 'llel-a-tubes will probably get women's phone numbers thrown at you. Smokin'! Ummperhaps you shouldn't mention that to your wife... :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Yes, I have now planted my feet decidedly on the 'llel-a-tube side of the line. Let's not get all Butter Battle Book over it, please. But snarky barbs a la Wilde or Clemens or Churchill... I love those! On Oct 28, 12:47 pm, Kelly wrote: Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a really long list. Now I find the perfect bike my
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
Oh, if they have parallel-tubed 64cm Bombadils, that seems it'd be worth a shot. I haven't compared the geometries, but it can't be way far off the theoretical Hunqa 65cm. Consider the Hillborne carefully, though. I love mine to death. But It certainly won't fit the range of tires that either a Hunqa or a Bomba would. And I notice the price on the web is only $1000 for the 64cm; I'd check with RBW instead of assuming those have either canti-studs (which it isn't clear you care about) *or* two top tubes (which it seems clear you do). It'd be cool if the Hillborne works out for you; the price would sure be right! Mine's a dream. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean - newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly, I would call Rivendell and see if they have any 64cm Bombadil or 64cm Sam Hill frames in stock. Both have parallel top-tubes and size-wise, or bar-height-wise, they should be equal or greater than your 67 AHH. On Oct 28, 1:47 pm, Kelly wrote: Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a really long list. Now I find the perfect bike my AHH... 67cm but some thought I should go double top tube. I didn't as my test ride on a 65 cm was very tight even out of the saddle on hard acceration. I figured I would get my double top tube on the Hunqapillar to replace my tour bike.. not to be.. not a big enough bike not to mention they went to the diagnal tube instead of horizontal.. not sure I like the look. What about you? Is the diagonal really needed? Was the horizontal that had been used not a good design or is the diagonal just overkill in most cases Talked to my wife about paying for a 65cm Hunqapillar with horizontal top tubes as a 3k custom. At least that way I get the look I want.. but short people got no reason.. grrr.. should be a stock size bike.. ya'll should be taller.. I don't want to wait a year... pout. Ok I'm over it.. sorry If I was even only a 6 footer there would be plenty of frames. Guess in 20 years I'll be pissed off and talking about bicycles that I didn't fit on too. hmm what to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
...we can draw analogies from something other than car culture, can't we? This is America--what do you think? B-) (Car analogies are the Cadillac of analogies) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:51 -0700, doug peterson wrote: the Spitfire was arguably one of the most beautiful airplanes Not much argument about that assessment! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
Perhaps not a bummer at all! $1250 suggests double-top-tube. Gives the OP a choice of a less pricey, slightly-shorter theoretical top tube length (though it isn't clear to me how much difference it would make). If the original consideration was a Hunqapillar, then $1250 is less than that, let alone a Bombadil. Obviously, Sam isn't a *close* substitute for either Hunqapillar or Bombadil... not as strong, less tire clearance... May not be what the OP seeks. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Oct 29, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: A 64cm. Bombadil may fit you, it depends on how long you need your TT to be. The Bombadil is notable longer. BTW, the 64cm. Sam frame on the web site is $1250, not $1000. Bummer. Keven told me it had not been updated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
But if he orders it today it's $200 off that! On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Perhaps not a bummer at all! $1250 suggests double-top-tube. Gives the OP a choice of a less pricey, slightly-shorter theoretical top tube length (though it isn't clear to me how much difference it would make). If the original consideration was a Hunqapillar, then $1250 is less than that, let alone a Bombadil. Obviously, Sam isn't a *close* substitute for either Hunqapillar or Bombadil... not as strong, less tire clearance... May not be what the OP seeks. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Oct 29, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: A 64cm. Bombadil may fit you, it depends on how long you need your TT to be. The Bombadil is notable longer. BTW, the 64cm. Sam frame on the web site is $1250, not $1000. Bummer. Keven told me it had not been updated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: But if he orders it today it's $200 off that! I thought that was only for frames on the frame-specials page. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts
...and can contributors stop using the character e in the posts that discuss good things about our Rivendell contraptions? : ) ; ) : ) -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
