Re: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
It's been a while since I set mine up, but what I remember is that you have to put a 15mm wrench on the spring tension bolt and hold it in place while tightening the rack. This is not too different than the standard set up of Paul's except it requires two wrenches instead of a wrench and allen key. Paul's setup is different and can be confusing until you grasp the simplicity of it. It's kind of like going from Windows to OS X. Michael On Sunday, November 9, 2014 10:23:12 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: Paul Neo-Retros (front) and Touring Cantis (rear). I just had a lot of trouble, because when I tightened down the rack bolts onto the proprietary Paul rack mount brake bolts, it always seemed to alter the brake adjustment (the Pauls lock down the brake adjustment with the brake bolts). I have that very brake set on a QB and an Atlantis, and have had zero problems setting up the brakes. But it’s not a big problem – finally got it done, and the install seems very solid. *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Michael Hechmer *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:37 PM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I'm curious. Which brakes? What was the problem and how did the rack figure into all of that? And how much prior experience do you have adjusting these brakes? You suggest learning as a solution, lets see if we can narrow that down a bit. Michael On Saturday, November 8, 2014 10:10:03 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: Well, Michael Hechmer’s post suggests I may be incorrect about the difficulty of subsequent brake adjustments, and since I’m almost always inclined to believe the reality that is premised on my faulty bike mechanic skills, he’s probably right! *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Allingham II, Thomas J *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:51 AM *To:* 'rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com' *Subject:* RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I just recently mounted two racks (front and rear) to the canti studs on my Stumpjumper. The mount seems extremely solid (but these are the Nitto Campee racks that mount at the dropouts and at the canti studs, the ones that have removable pannier racks, so I would expect the mount to be solid), but, boy, getting the racks mounted AND the brakes properly adjusted was a tedious job, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be engaging in incremental adjustment of the brakes hereafter. Love the racks once they were finally in place, though. *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anton Tutter *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:32 AM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I think practically, it makes no difference at all. The amount of weight that a small front rack has to hold is not enough to test the limits of the strength of the two different triangulation geometries of the two mounting approaches. Personally I think if the bike already has canti studs, the additional barrels just make the upper fork area look cluttered and are somewhat unnecessary. On non-canti equipped bikes, the barrels make perfect sense. However, on non-canti equipped bikes, the brake bolt hole is not available for a direct bolt-up because there is a caliper brake installed. On those bikes, the upper rack mount has to be a bracket or welded rack tang that bolts to the existing brake caliper bolt. Anton On Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately. I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. NITTO Mini, for example. Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying mount! But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure. Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or to canti-studs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout
RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
Paul Neo-Retros (front) and Touring Cantis (rear). I just had a lot of trouble, because when I tightened down the rack bolts onto the proprietary Paul rack mount brake bolts, it always seemed to alter the brake adjustment (the Pauls lock down the brake adjustment with the brake bolts). I have that very brake set on a QB and an Atlantis, and have had zero problems setting up the brakes. But it’s not a big problem – finally got it done, and the install seems very solid. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hechmer Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:37 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I'm curious. Which brakes? What was the problem and how did the rack figure into all of that? And how much prior experience do you have adjusting these brakes? You suggest learning as a solution, lets see if we can narrow that down a bit. Michael On Saturday, November 8, 2014 10:10:03 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: Well, Michael Hechmer’s post suggests I may be incorrect about the difficulty of subsequent brake adjustments, and since I’m almost always inclined to believe the reality that is premised on my faulty bike mechanic skills, he’s probably right! From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:51 AM To: 'rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:' Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I just recently mounted two racks (front and rear) to the canti studs on my Stumpjumper. The mount seems extremely solid (but these are the Nitto Campee racks that mount at the dropouts and at the canti studs, the ones that have removable pannier racks, so I would expect the mount to be solid), but, boy, getting the racks mounted AND the brakes properly adjusted was a tedious job, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be engaging in incremental adjustment of the brakes hereafter. Love the racks once they were finally in place, though. From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: [mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of Anton Tutter Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:32 AM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Subject: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I think practically, it makes no difference at all. The amount of weight that a small front rack has to hold is not enough to test the limits of the strength of the two different triangulation geometries of the two mounting approaches. Personally I think if the bike already has canti studs, the additional barrels just make the upper fork area look cluttered and are somewhat unnecessary. On non-canti equipped bikes, the barrels make perfect sense. However, on non-canti equipped bikes, the brake bolt hole is not available for a direct bolt-up because there is a caliper brake installed. On those bikes, the upper rack mount has to be a bracket or welded rack tang that bolts to the existing brake caliper bolt. Anton On Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately. I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. NITTO Mini, for example. Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying mount! But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure. Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or to canti-studs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners
RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
I just recently mounted two racks (front and rear) to the canti studs on my Stumpjumper. The mount seems extremely solid (but these are the Nitto Campee racks that mount at the dropouts and at the canti studs, the ones that have removable pannier racks, so I would expect the mount to be solid), but, boy, getting the racks mounted AND the brakes properly adjusted was a tedious job, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be engaging in incremental adjustment of the brakes hereafter. Love the racks once they were finally in place, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anton Tutter Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:32 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I think practically, it makes no difference at all. The amount of weight that a small front rack has to hold is not enough to test the limits of the strength of the two different triangulation geometries of the two mounting approaches. Personally I think if the bike already has canti studs, the additional barrels just make the upper fork area look cluttered and are somewhat unnecessary. On non-canti equipped bikes, the barrels make perfect sense. However, on non-canti equipped bikes, the brake bolt hole is not available for a direct bolt-up because there is a caliper brake installed. On those bikes, the upper rack mount has to be a bracket or welded rack tang that bolts to the existing brake caliper bolt. Anton On Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately. I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. NITTO Mini, for example. Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying mount! But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure. Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or to canti-studs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
Well, Michael Hechmer’s post suggests I may be incorrect about the difficulty of subsequent brake adjustments, and since I’m almost always inclined to believe the reality that is premised on my faulty bike mechanic skills, he’s probably right! From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:51 AM To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I just recently mounted two racks (front and rear) to the canti studs on my Stumpjumper. The mount seems extremely solid (but these are the Nitto Campee racks that mount at the dropouts and at the canti studs, the ones that have removable pannier racks, so I would expect the mount to be solid), but, boy, getting the racks mounted AND the brakes properly adjusted was a tedious job, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be engaging in incremental adjustment of the brakes hereafter. Love the racks once they were finally in place, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anton Tutter Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:32 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I think practically, it makes no difference at all. The amount of weight that a small front rack has to hold is not enough to test the limits of the strength of the two different triangulation geometries of the two mounting approaches. Personally I think if the bike already has canti studs, the additional barrels just make the upper fork area look cluttered and are somewhat unnecessary. On non-canti equipped bikes, the barrels make perfect sense. However, on non-canti equipped bikes, the brake bolt hole is not available for a direct bolt-up because there is a caliper brake installed. On those bikes, the upper rack mount has to be a bracket or welded rack tang that bolts to the existing brake caliper bolt. Anton On Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately. I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. NITTO Mini, for example. Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying mount! But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure. Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or to canti-studs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use
Re: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
I'm curious. Which brakes? What was the problem and how did the rack figure into all of that? And how much prior experience do you have adjusting these brakes? You suggest learning as a solution, lets see if we can narrow that down a bit. Michael On Saturday, November 8, 2014 10:10:03 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: Well, Michael Hechmer’s post suggests I may be incorrect about the difficulty of subsequent brake adjustments, and since I’m almost always inclined to believe the reality that is premised on my faulty bike mechanic skills, he’s probably right! *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Allingham II, Thomas J *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:51 AM *To:* 'rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:' *Subject:* RE: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I just recently mounted two racks (front and rear) to the canti studs on my Stumpjumper. The mount seems extremely solid (but these are the Nitto Campee racks that mount at the dropouts and at the canti studs, the ones that have removable pannier racks, so I would expect the mount to be solid), but, boy, getting the racks mounted AND the brakes properly adjusted was a tedious job, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be engaging in incremental adjustment of the brakes hereafter. Love the racks once they were finally in place, though. *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [ mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Anton Tutter *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:32 AM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question. I think practically, it makes no difference at all. The amount of weight that a small front rack has to hold is not enough to test the limits of the strength of the two different triangulation geometries of the two mounting approaches. Personally I think if the bike already has canti studs, the additional barrels just make the upper fork area look cluttered and are somewhat unnecessary. On non-canti equipped bikes, the barrels make perfect sense. However, on non-canti equipped bikes, the brake bolt hole is not available for a direct bolt-up because there is a caliper brake installed. On those bikes, the upper rack mount has to be a bracket or welded rack tang that bolts to the existing brake caliper bolt. Anton On Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately. I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. NITTO Mini, for example. Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying mount! But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure. Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or to canti-studs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: [RBW] Re: Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.
I picked up a Nitto M12 for my KOM (which has no other eyelets besides crown hole and canti), and I'm really satisfied with it. It came with the canti bolts http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh2.htm included, and they keep the brake bolt tension separate from the rack mount. It mounted very easily, and it's quite shiny. It holds a small TrunkSack http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bastss.htm perfectly. The M12 is a great rack for a canti-brake equipped bike. I got it here http://www.modernbike.com/nitto-m12-front-rack for $82, when it was in stock a couple months ago. However, the small TrunkSack is too darned small for me. It's great for a tool kit, flat kit, and tube, plus your phone, wallet, and a couple snacks. That's it. That kind of load is usually easy to stash somewhere else, like a saddle wedge. But it's very cute! Of course, the M12 (or Mark's, Mini, Campee, Big Front, etc...) would also work great to support a handlebar/decaleur bag. Or, to mount a medium Wald (what mine will carry soon instead of the small TrunkSack). Cheers, Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
