Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Laing Conley]

The most important thing about a road bike is that it must be orange. My
previous club riding bike was an orange Sam Hillborne. My current club
riding bike is my orange Rivendell Custom. Orange bikes have been proven
time and again to be faster than non-orange bikes. Molteni Orange is the
fastest shade of orange.
Sam Hillborne
[image: IMG_1609.jpg]

Custom
[image: 0.jpg]

Seriously though, a bike for club riding should be comfortable and I like
having drop bars on a road bike because they allow a variety of hand
positions for long rides. I did ride the Cross-Florida (175 miles in two
days) once on my green Bombadil with Bullmoose bars, but that is more the
exception than the rule. A Sam Hillborne or better yet an A Homer Hilsen
would make excellent road bikes if you cannot find a Rodeo. A Roadini would
also be an excellent choice if you do not need lugs on your frame.

Laing Conley

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 4:23 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Since you could easily put the same components on either a Roadeo or a
> Roadini (with the possible exception of the stem - if you had a Roadeo with
> a threadless steerer), I don't understand how the difference would be in
> the components.
>
> Seems to me that the difference would be mostly in the standover height
> and the wheelbase.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 2:16:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I doubt the Roadeo is a TON lighter than a Roadini. I think the weight
>> details would be in the build more than anything else. As far as bars are
>> concerned drops are fun on a road bike but not required. My recommendation
>> for a non-drop road setup would be the Albastache bars which are IMO the
>> best road bars out there.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:12:07 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged
>>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 81 PBH was mentioned

 On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and
> you won't go wrong!
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
>> After
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
>> was
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c
>> randonneuse.
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
>> newer
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
>> had
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set
>> up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and
>> then you'll have both!
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a
>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know
>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea
>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>> looks
>>> great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
>>> would be
>>> ideal.
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has
>>> a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know
>>> what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have
>>> before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>> out
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for this advice. Also, +1 for Bill as docent and road bike purchase
middleman.

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 1:23 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
> I am, right now, leaning toward a Gallup bike but will keep reading and
> learning. And right now, I’m heading out to do Tabatas training. I had to
> look it up. Promises to be the most miserable 4 minutes of my day.
>
> Wow, first we hear you are road bike curious, now you are doing tabata
> workouts. Leah is going super hard core on us.
>
> My 2 cents worth ... "road bike", as opposed to what you currently ride
> and love, is first and foremost about riding position. FWIW, my
> recommendation is to skip past Albastache and Mustache and go straight to
> drop bars. Start with them relatively high and close, so when your hands
> are on the tops you feel like your back is relaxed and comfy. Bernard
> Hinault, I think, said you should feel like you're playing piano on the
> tops. You then have the curves on top, where your hands are a bit wider
> apart and slightly forward, and your back should still be comfy. Then you
> go forward to the brake hoods. Now you should feel like you're more forward
> than you would be on your current bikes. But, if you're riding at a hard
> enough effort (we're not talking super hard here), the force on the pedals
> should be carrying enough of your weight that you're not having to hold
> yourself up on your hands. Next you go below the brake hoods to the
> farthest forward part of the drops. This is the speedy aero position. You
> won't have a low, flat back here until you've lowered your stem/bars quite
> a bit. But you should have a flat back and you should be putting a fair
> amount of force into the pedals. Finally, there are the flat parts of the
> drops, with your hands back a bit closer to you, which are a "cruising"
> location for me (and right next to my bar end shifters), low enough to be
> efficient but not fully stretched out. I've recently read comments from
> "racers" that if you spend any amount of time down there your bars are too
> high. Well, my bars are certainly too high by their standards, but mine are
> set up for me to be comfortable in every spot. Very important: in EVERY
> position you should not be gripping the bar or brake hood tightly, you
> should have a very loose grip and not be bearing too much weight there. I
> typically am very slightly pulling up on the brake hoods or drops to
> counteract the pedaling force of the opposite leg. Also, you should ALWAYS
> have at least a slight bend in your elbows in every position. If you are
> locking your elbows something is wrong with the position and you're doing
> bad things to your wrist and shoulders and neck.
>
> General rule of thumb for starting out, have the tops of the bars maybe an
> inch above saddle height or, if you're already pretty flexible in the heaps
> and low back, level with the saddle. Put the back of an elbow at the front
> of the saddle and stretch your finger tips toward the handlebars. They
> should just touch the back of the handlebars at the stem. Maybe a little
> closer if you're tight, a little farther if you're flexible. Somebody
> recommended Noodle bars, which I heartily endorse, as that's what I have on
> most of my bikes. I like them because 1) the curves are generous 2) there's
> a little rise in the top curve, making them very comfy in that area) and 3)
> there's a fair amount of reach and drop, so you have a good range of
> positions. That last part is key for me on long rides. Sometimes I'm riding
> hard and need the long and low positions. Sometimes I'm taking it easy and
> need the high and near positions.
>
> I won't opine much on "which bike", because once you figure out your fit
> criteria, any bike that allows you to have that position will work fine. I
> have my Sam Hillbornes set up almost identically to my custom Waterford ST
> and Rivendell Road, except on the Riv Road the handlebars are a bit farther
> away and lower.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for road bikes and cataract surgery.

Patrick Moore, who has (has had?) both and now rides without glasses or
contacts with implanted plastic lenses.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:15 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes, George, 81cm , and here’s where I have to put a plug in for the
> cataract surgery. I prep those patients and they are my favorite surgeries
> because they are SO EASY and the results SO immediate that if you have been
> putting it off, run, don’t walk to the ophthalmologist. An IV is not
> required, you don’t even get undressed, there is no pain, it is 15 minutes
> and BOOM, you’re done.
>
> Ok, back to bikes…
>
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 5:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged
> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and
>>> you won't go wrong!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road
 bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After
 selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my
 Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was
 the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more
 than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c
 randonneuse.

 Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my
 best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer
 batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".

 I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend
 casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had
 at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist
 and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your
 personal shopper.  :)

 Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up
 with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a
 placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and
 then you'll have both!

 Do let me know if you want more advice

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
> ideal.
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m
> the youngest and probably the most fit.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

I generally look up to Garth's advice, but I'll contradict him here: the
point is not level or sloping top tube but saddle to bar relationship. My
"ideal" level tt/fist of sp size is 60X56 c-c but the most perfectest fit
of all is on that too-much described '99 Riv custom that has a 57 c-c st,
upsloping 57 cm tt with modestly extended ht, since this lets me get the
saddle in the right place and then wrt to the saddle, get the bar in the
right place. I've gotten near-perfect drop bar setups on miniscule 46 cm
frames with massive 58+ cm tts (mtb frames) tho' 46 and 58 are hardly ideal.

Second, yes, less air resistance is a great benefit of a lower and drop
bar, but there is another that IME is equally great, that you bring into
play additional muscles when you bend over. I find this every time I "slip"
into the hooks when turning into a headwind or slide way back on the saddle
when reaching an incline.



On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:38 PM Garth  wrote:

> Hooray for you Leah ! :-)
>
> I think a level top tube would suit you better in the long run as given a
> good fit, you'll be able to have a good starting point for bar height. Not
> too high, not too low. You're obliviously fit and flexible, so for road
> riding use that to your advantage, so to speak. Less air resistance, which
> is what you're running into, literally. From experience,  sloping TT's are
> fine if you want to the bars quite high, but if you want them at a more
> saddle level or below you may not be able to go low enough. It depends on
> the frame of course.
>
> A Homer before the TT's were sloped would also work as road bike in
> addition to the Roadeo. They were technically 1.5 degrees, not enough to
> care about given a proper fit.  Also Ramboullett frames would work.
>
> You have such a good level of fitness and sensibilities that you'll be
> fine, it'll work out as it comes.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[george schick]

What Ted says, exactly. I began “serious” biking over 50 years ago on a 
road bike with drop bars and never looked back. That’s not to say that 
there isn’t merit to other kinds of bars and more upright riding positions, 
but the “drop” road bar offers those various hand positions. Once you adapt 
to them it’s hard to go back.


Ad 

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:23:39 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I am, right now, leaning toward a Gallup bike but will keep reading and 
> learning. And right now, I’m heading out to do Tabatas training. I had to 
> look it up. Promises to be the most miserable 4 minutes of my day.
>
> Wow, first we hear you are road bike curious, now you are doing tabata 
> workouts. Leah is going super hard core on us.
>
> My 2 cents worth ... "road bike", as opposed to what you currently ride 
> and love, is first and foremost about riding position. FWIW, my 
> recommendation is to skip past Albastache and Mustache and go straight to 
> drop bars. Start with them relatively high and close, so when your hands 
> are on the tops you feel like your back is relaxed and comfy. Bernard 
> Hinault, I think, said you should feel like you're playing piano on the 
> tops. You then have the curves on top, where your hands are a bit wider 
> apart and slightly forward, and your back should still be comfy. Then you 
> go forward to the brake hoods. Now you should feel like you're more forward 
> than you would be on your current bikes. But, if you're riding at a hard 
> enough effort (we're not talking super hard here), the force on the pedals 
> should be carrying enough of your weight that you're not having to hold 
> yourself up on your hands. Next you go below the brake hoods to the 
> farthest forward part of the drops. This is the speedy aero position. You 
> won't have a low, flat back here until you've lowered your stem/bars quite 
> a bit. But you should have a flat back and you should be putting a fair 
> amount of force into the pedals. Finally, there are the flat parts of the 
> drops, with your hands back a bit closer to you, which are a "cruising" 
> location for me (and right next to my bar end shifters), low enough to be 
> efficient but not fully stretched out. I've recently read comments from 
> "racers" that if you spend any amount of time down there your bars are too 
> high. Well, my bars are certainly too high by their standards, but mine are 
> set up for me to be comfortable in every spot. Very important: in EVERY 
> position you should not be gripping the bar or brake hood tightly, you 
> should have a very loose grip and not be bearing too much weight there. I 
> typically am very slightly pulling up on the brake hoods or drops to 
> counteract the pedaling force of the opposite leg. Also, you should ALWAYS 
> have at least a slight bend in your elbows in every position. If you are 
> locking your elbows something is wrong with the position and you're doing 
> bad things to your wrist and shoulders and neck.
>
> General rule of thumb for starting out, have the tops of the bars maybe an 
> inch above saddle height or, if you're already pretty flexible in the heaps 
> and low back, level with the saddle. Put the back of an elbow at the front 
> of the saddle and stretch your finger tips toward the handlebars. They 
> should just touch the back of the handlebars at the stem. Maybe a little 
> closer if you're tight, a little farther if you're flexible. Somebody 
> recommended Noodle bars, which I heartily endorse, as that's what I have on 
> most of my bikes. I like them because 1) the curves are generous 2) there's 
> a little rise in the top curve, making them very comfy in that area) and 3) 
> there's a fair amount of reach and drop, so you have a good range of 
> positions. That last part is key for me on long rides. Sometimes I'm riding 
> hard and need the long and low positions. Sometimes I'm taking it easy and 
> need the high and near positions. 
>
> I won't opine much on "which bike", because once you figure out your fit 
> criteria, any bike that allows you to have that position will work fine. I 
> have my Sam Hillbornes set up almost identically to my custom Waterford ST 
> and Rivendell Road, except on the Riv Road the handlebars are a bit farther 
> away and lower. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

I am, right now, leaning toward a Gallup bike but will keep reading and 
learning. And right now, I’m heading out to do Tabatas training. I had to 
look it up. Promises to be the most miserable 4 minutes of my day.

Wow, first we hear you are road bike curious, now you are doing tabata 
workouts. Leah is going super hard core on us.

My 2 cents worth ... "road bike", as opposed to what you currently ride and 
love, is first and foremost about riding position. FWIW, my recommendation 
is to skip past Albastache and Mustache and go straight to drop bars. Start 
with them relatively high and close, so when your hands are on the tops you 
feel like your back is relaxed and comfy. Bernard Hinault, I think, said 
you should feel like you're playing piano on the tops. You then have the 
curves on top, where your hands are a bit wider apart and slightly forward, 
and your back should still be comfy. Then you go forward to the brake 
hoods. Now you should feel like you're more forward than you would be on 
your current bikes. But, if you're riding at a hard enough effort (we're 
not talking super hard here), the force on the pedals should be carrying 
enough of your weight that you're not having to hold yourself up on your 
hands. Next you go below the brake hoods to the farthest forward part of 
the drops. This is the speedy aero position. You won't have a low, flat 
back here until you've lowered your stem/bars quite a bit. But you should 
have a flat back and you should be putting a fair amount of force into the 
pedals. Finally, there are the flat parts of the drops, with your hands 
back a bit closer to you, which are a "cruising" location for me (and right 
next to my bar end shifters), low enough to be efficient but not fully 
stretched out. I've recently read comments from "racers" that if you spend 
any amount of time down there your bars are too high. Well, my bars are 
certainly too high by their standards, but mine are set up for me to be 
comfortable in every spot. Very important: in EVERY position you should not 
be gripping the bar or brake hood tightly, you should have a very loose 
grip and not be bearing too much weight there. I typically am very slightly 
pulling up on the brake hoods or drops to counteract the pedaling force of 
the opposite leg. Also, you should ALWAYS have at least a slight bend in 
your elbows in every position. If you are locking your elbows something is 
wrong with the position and you're doing bad things to your wrist and 
shoulders and neck.

General rule of thumb for starting out, have the tops of the bars maybe an 
inch above saddle height or, if you're already pretty flexible in the heaps 
and low back, level with the saddle. Put the back of an elbow at the front 
of the saddle and stretch your finger tips toward the handlebars. They 
should just touch the back of the handlebars at the stem. Maybe a little 
closer if you're tight, a little farther if you're flexible. Somebody 
recommended Noodle bars, which I heartily endorse, as that's what I have on 
most of my bikes. I like them because 1) the curves are generous 2) there's 
a little rise in the top curve, making them very comfy in that area) and 3) 
there's a fair amount of reach and drop, so you have a good range of 
positions. That last part is key for me on long rides. Sometimes I'm riding 
hard and need the long and low positions. Sometimes I'm taking it easy and 
need the high and near positions. 

I won't opine much on "which bike", because once you figure out your fit 
criteria, any bike that allows you to have that position will work fine. I 
have my Sam Hillbornes set up almost identically to my custom Waterford ST 
and Rivendell Road, except on the Riv Road the handlebars are a bit farther 
away and lower. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

I am headed out to ride but I want to pop on here because I think it’s funny - can we do funny on here? - that I said I was “roadbike curious” and my texts, DMs, email all blew up. BUY THIS ONE! WHAT ABOUT THIS? Web special! eBay link! Bike people are the best and the fun-est people.I am, right now, leaning toward a Gallup bike but will keep reading and learning. And right now, I’m heading out to do Tabatas training. I had to look it up. Promises to be the most miserable 4 minutes of my day. You all carry on. I’ll be back later!Thanks for being so great.LeahOn Apr 21, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Joseph  wrote:Johnny, Any comparison of your Gallop proto to the Roadini that I may have missed? If not, could you give us your impressions?  New here…Roman mentioned the Gallop might land somewhere between the Homer and the Roadini.  V/R,DrewSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 20, 2024, at 6:56 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Probably a bit of a wait for a Gallop but the slightly lower top tube could give it an edge over standard road frames. I have the swoopy prototype and if it rides the same people are going to love it.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 7:23:36 PM UTC-4 bei...@gmail.com wrote:Leah I was psyched to see this post because you were the #1 influence on me to get a Platypus (besides Lance who sold it to me! Thanks, Lance!). Besides the Platy, which is for around town and gravel and kid-hauling, I also ride my father-in-laws 1990-something Merlin road bike in occasional club rides and races. I love the Platy for all the already mentioned reasons in this Bunch, and love the snappy, fast, titanium Merlin, but always wish the fork was a bit heavier (and not carbon) and that the chainstays were a hair longer (and didn’t limit the rear tire to 25mm). I almost jumped on a used Roadeo in my size a month or so ago and am extremely Roadini curious. I wonder if you say the roadini “doesn’t offer enough of a change” for you because you think it’s not different enough from the Platy? I would think the Roadini is closer to the Roadeo or a Rambouillet than the Gallop will be. From the August 2023 blahg, the Gallop looks like a mix between a Platy and a Roadini. when I see that Homer Jim shared in your size as a web special my first thought was, “THAT’S IT!,” but I think you should give a ”real” “road bike” a shot rather than a “country bike” like a Sam or a Homer, since your Platy’s are in that category. Thanks for your contributions Leah and have fun finding your next “Save me from the wind on club rides!” Bike! ChristianBoulder, COPS: Gallop pics in this blagh:https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/august?_pos=11&_sid=e1163b89a&_ss=rOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:58:44 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:I think the Roadeo is the raciest road bike Riv has made. I've seen one 56cm that was built up to 18.5 lbs with pedals. But if you're looking beyond the weight weenie category, there are lots of other options. Rambouillet, Redwood, and Romulus come to mind. And if you're not fixed on 700 wheels, you've got the Hilsen, Saluki, and Bleriot. I had a road wheelset for my Legolas, which I used for club rides and randonneuring. I wouldn't hesitate to put drop bars on my Bleriot and turn it into a randonneur too. And how could I forget the Hillborne? Also very roadable. There's a 51 dropbar Homer on the web special page https://www.rivbike.com/products/51cm-homer-dark-gold-antonios-dropbar-pick if that's your size.jim mwalnut creek caOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bernard Duhon]

Early trek Aluminum bikes were good.
There is nothing as durable as an Aluminum bike paint job.  They were well made 
& last

However, don’t confuse the aluminum bike quality with those of Trek’s early 
steel bikes.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ryan
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 9:22 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

@Sally...custom Erickson...that's a nice find, too!
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 9:20:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still have 
it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the ridiculously 
low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 wheel size 
instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; Deore derailleurs 
and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT bars...really a  very  nice  
bike. Maybe because it was red...but great touring bike (yes,  we do have some 
hills in Manitoba) and really fun unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In 
fact, for most road riding; I found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I 
gave it to my late partner, who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops 
don't float your boat , you might like moustache/albastache bars.

$325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that color. I 
know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some nice bikes in 
the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with you to help you 
find something, you should definitely take him up on it because he knows what 
he's talking about.

Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep the 
fleet safe and dry :)

BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
Leah

Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that could 
hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to act as a  
test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept.  This is the 
kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html

I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and would 
ride the 58 in that model.

BL
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of you 
being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with Riv; I 
can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this Michigan 
connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of say-so in the 
build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post it on the List. 
Very gratifying, indeed.


On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay 
mailto:tape...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Leah

My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and 
I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, 
and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road 
in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the 
century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped 
down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.

Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever 
brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with 
its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".

I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a 
wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really 
good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time 
I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)

Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an 
albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike 
could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!

Do let me know if you want more advice

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike 
because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really 
offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the 
Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year 
wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal.

Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo 
that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be 
but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing 
about any of this. Clearly.

Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but i

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

@Sally...custom Erickson...that's a nice find, too!

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 9:20:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still 
> have it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the 
> ridiculously low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 
> wheel size instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; 
> Deore derailleurs and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT 
> bars...really a  very  nice  bike. Maybe because it was red...but great 
> touring bike (yes,  we do have some hills in Manitoba) and really fun 
> unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In fact, for most road riding; I 
> found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I gave it to my late partner, 
> who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops don't float your boat , you 
> might like moustache/albastache bars. 
>
> $325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that 
> color. I know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some 
> nice bikes in the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with 
> you to help you find something, you should definitely take him up on it 
> because he knows what he's talking about. 
>
> Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep 
> the fleet safe and dry :)
>
> BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
>> could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
>> act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
>>  This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html
>>
>> I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and 
>> would ride the 58 in that model.  
>>
>> BL
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
>>> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
>>> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
>>> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
>>> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
>>> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
>>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
>>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>>> randonneuse.  
>>>
>>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
>>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>>
>>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
>>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>>> personal shopper.  :)
>>>
>>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>>> then you'll have both!  
>>>
>>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
 roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
 Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
 going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
 but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
 ideal. 

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
 Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
 size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
 I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

 Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
 take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
 stem 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still 
have it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the 
ridiculously low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 
wheel size instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; 
Deore derailleurs and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT 
bars...really a  very  nice  bike. Maybe because it was red...but great 
touring bike (yes,  we do have some hills in Manitoba) and really fun 
unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In fact, for most road riding; I 
found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I gave it to my late partner, 
who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops don't float your boat , you 
might like moustache/albastache bars. 

$325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that 
color. I know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some 
nice bikes in the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with 
you to help you find something, you should definitely take him up on it 
because he knows what he's talking about. 

Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep 
the fleet safe and dry :)

BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
> could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
> act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
>  This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html
>
> I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and 
> would ride the 58 in that model.  
>
> BL
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
>> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
>> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
>> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
>> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
>> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>> randonneuse.  
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>> then you'll have both!  
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Sally Bidleman]

Hi Leah,

I have nothing technical to add, per usual; BUT I do have a "new"
30-year-old custom Erickson road bike I bought recently. (My husband and I
share a Clem and a Platypus also.)

The Erickson happened to fit me perfectly, is steel and stable, but very
light and it moves like the wind! It's pure art in form and function.

I ride the Platypus most since it goes over everything easily and smoothly
and is so comfortable...and when my husband and I ride together, we can
switch off Rivs mid-ride for fun! But I am so thankful I can have both the
road bike and the Riv bike.

I think you'd love the experience of having a road bike, Riv or otherwise!

Best to you!
Sally


On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 6:46 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Leah
>
> Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that
> could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to
> act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build
> concept.  This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html
>
> I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and
> would ride the 58 in that model.
>
> BL
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of
>> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with
>> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this
>> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of
>> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post
>> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road
>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After
>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my
>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was
>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more
>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c
>> randonneuse.
>>
>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my
>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer
>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".
>>
>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend
>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had
>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist
>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your
>> personal shopper.  :)
>>
>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up
>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a
>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and
>> then you'll have both!
>>
>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
>>> ideal.
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? Thanks!On Apr 20, 2024, at 7:56 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Probably a bit of a wait for a Gallop but the slightly lower top tube could give it an edge over standard road frames. I have the swoopy prototype and if it rides the same people are going to love it.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 7:23:36 PM UTC-4 bei...@gmail.com wrote:Leah I was psyched to see this post because you were the #1 influence on me to get a Platypus (besides Lance who sold it to me! Thanks, Lance!). Besides the Platy, which is for around town and gravel and kid-hauling, I also ride my father-in-laws 1990-something Merlin road bike in occasional club rides and races. I love the Platy for all the already mentioned reasons in this Bunch, and love the snappy, fast, titanium Merlin, but always wish the fork was a bit heavier (and not carbon) and that the chainstays were a hair longer (and didn’t limit the rear tire to 25mm). I almost jumped on a used Roadeo in my size a month or so ago and am extremely Roadini curious. I wonder if you say the roadini “doesn’t offer enough of a change” for you because you think it’s not different enough from the Platy? I would think the Roadini is closer to the Roadeo or a Rambouillet than the Gallop will be. From the August 2023 blahg, the Gallop looks like a mix between a Platy and a Roadini. when I see that Homer Jim shared in your size as a web special my first thought was, “THAT’S IT!,” but I think you should give a ”real” “road bike” a shot rather than a “country bike” like a Sam or a Homer, since your Platy’s are in that category. Thanks for your contributions Leah and have fun finding your next “Save me from the wind on club rides!” Bike! ChristianBoulder, COPS: Gallop pics in this blagh:https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/august?_pos=11&_sid=e1163b89a&_ss=rOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:58:44 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:I think the Roadeo is the raciest road bike Riv has made. I've seen one 56cm that was built up to 18.5 lbs with pedals. But if you're looking beyond the weight weenie category, there are lots of other options. Rambouillet, Redwood, and Romulus come to mind. And if you're not fixed on 700 wheels, you've got the Hilsen, Saluki, and Bleriot. I had a road wheelset for my Legolas, which I used for club rides and randonneuring. I wouldn't hesitate to put drop bars on my Bleriot and turn it into a randonneur too. And how could I forget the Hillborne? Also very roadable. There's a 51 dropbar Homer on the web special page https://www.rivbike.com/products/51cm-homer-dark-gold-antonios-dropbar-pick if that's your size.jim mwalnut creek caOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
 This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html

I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and would 
ride the 58 in that model.  

BL

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, 
> and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
> randonneuse.  
>
> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>
> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
> personal shopper.  :)
>
> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
> then you'll have both!  
>
> Do let me know if you want more advice
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Christian! Yes, I well remember you and I’m so happy you got that Platypus. Still my favorite bike of all time. Gosh, I would have loved your opinion had you gotten the Roadeo. You asked why I wasn’t keen on the Roadini. I read a couple of reviews online that didn’t give it the most favorable reviews. And some of the descriptions I read (of course the exact words escape me as this was all hastily done early today) made it sound like kind of an all-rounder or something. Like it wasn’t painted as a pure roadbike but more of a bike that was roadish but had town and country capabilities. If the Roadini owners think I got this wrong and want to chime in, wonderful; I’d like to hear it. And I think you would, too. And you’re exactly right about the Homer; I have two RivSisters who LOVE their Homers and rightly so. But I want to look at more of a road bike instead of the country bike. Obviously, I have much to learn.On Apr 20, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Christian B-H  wrote:Leah I was psyched to see this post because you were the #1 influence on me to get a Platypus (besides Lance who sold it to me! Thanks, Lance!). Besides the Platy, which is for around town and gravel and kid-hauling, I also ride my father-in-laws 1990-something Merlin road bike in occasional club rides and races. I love the Platy for all the already mentioned reasons in this Bunch, and love the snappy, fast, titanium Merlin, but always wish the fork was a bit heavier (and not carbon) and that the chainstays were a hair longer (and didn’t limit the rear tire to 25mm). I almost jumped on a used Roadeo in my size a month or so ago and am extremely Roadini curious. I wonder if you say the roadini “doesn’t offer enough of a change” for you because you think it’s not different enough from the Platy? I would think the Roadini is closer to the Roadeo or a Rambouillet than the Gallop will be. From the August 2023 blahg, the Gallop looks like a mix between a Platy and a Roadini. when I see that Homer Jim shared in your size as a web special my first thought was, “THAT’S IT!,” but I think you should give a ”real” “road bike” a shot rather than a “country bike” like a Sam or a Homer, since your Platy’s are in that category. Thanks for your contributions Leah and have fun finding your next “Save me from the wind on club rides!” Bike! ChristianBoulder, COPS: Gallop pics in this blagh:https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/august?_pos=11&_sid=e1163b89a&_ss=rOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:58:44 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:I think the Roadeo is the raciest road bike Riv has made. I've seen one 56cm that was built up to 18.5 lbs with pedals. But if you're looking beyond the weight weenie category, there are lots of other options. Rambouillet, Redwood, and Romulus come to mind. And if you're not fixed on 700 wheels, you've got the Hilsen, Saluki, and Bleriot. I had a road wheelset for my Legolas, which I used for club rides and randonneuring. I wouldn't hesitate to put drop bars on my Bleriot and turn it into a randonneur too. And how could I forget the Hillborne? Also very roadable. There's a 51 dropbar Homer on the web special page https://www.rivbike.com/products/51cm-homer-dark-gold-antonios-dropbar-pick if that's your size.jim mwalnut creek caOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

No idea what my stand over height is, nor do I know how to find outOn Apr 20, 2024, at 5:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:Actually, what I was more interested in was her stand over height (SOH).  Riding a regular road frame bike would require whether or not one could "stand over" the bike's top tube without discomfort.  Riv gives the specifics for various past models for this measurement.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:81 PBH was mentionedOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and you won't go wrong!On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.  Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!  Do let me know if you want more adviceBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, George, 81cm , and here’s where I have to put a plug in for the cataract surgery. I prep those patients and they are my favorite surgeries because they are SO EASY and the results SO immediate that if you have been putting it off, run, don’t walk to the ophthalmologist. An IV is not required, you don’t even get undressed, there is no pain, it is 15 minutes and BOOM, you’re done.Ok, back to bikes…On Apr 20, 2024, at 5:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:81 PBH was mentionedOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and you won't go wrong!On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.  Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!  Do let me know if you want more adviceBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:LeahMy previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.  Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!  Do let me know if you want more adviceBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Brian Turner]

I would go with a Roadini, with maybe a Homer or Sam as a second option.On Apr 20, 2024, at 5:42 PM, George Schick  wrote:No problem.  But the thing is that I have a bike(s) that I could let her ride to see if she could adapt to a "road bike" frame.  And I "think" I have ones closed to that dimension that I would be happy to let her test ride to see if they'd work.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:Sorry @George, I did not mean to come off as rude. The 81 PBH detail just stood out because I seem to recall Leah is around my own height of 5'6''-5'7'' ...but vastly younger (I'm 71) and vastly fitter , of course. So I had to go to my own Riv stud books to see what my PBH was...shortish torso, longer legs and see why Grant put me on a 56 frame. The Rossin for comparison was 53 or 54 and my allrounder was 54. GP would size up for a road frame, as I recallOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:18:33 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Actually, what I was more interested in was her stand over height (SOH).  Riding a regular road frame bike would require whether or not one could "stand over" the bike's top tube without discomfort.  Riv gives the specifics for various past models for this measurement.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:81 PBH was mentionedOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and you won't go wrong!On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.  Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!  Do let me know if you want more adviceBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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