Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
No, it was Eddy Mielsmore On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:48 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? On Apr 28, 5:13 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
http://tinyurl.com/28wvqgd --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:18 AM On Apr 28, 5:54 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the possibilities in half: Mr. EM. Eddie Munster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
on 4/27/10 7:55 PM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: owww!this sounds like painful training ! Yea. Sorry about that. My only point was that it's easy to get in a rut or take a set and sometimes takes a concious act to get out. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the possibilities in half: Mr. EM. In a message dated 4/28/2010 8:48:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eddie.fla...@att.net writes: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Freddy Mertz? http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4513946928/ On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:48 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? On Apr 28, 5:13 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle) simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline, wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H) about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short arms. So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on the bars position that PJW among others describes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:32 PM, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I also have significant reservations about the heavy wheels comments. Anyone with a trainer can try this out: Rack each bike up on the trainer, disengage the drag mechanism, and pedal. Put on some load and then pedal again. See? The difference in wheel weight gets overwhelmed into noise when an actual, realistic load is factored in. Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. Perhaps I notice the difference more because I ride fixed mostly and I have to stand to climb many hills. My two custom Rivs' light 559 or 571 (1550 gram for the commuter) wheelsets are amazingly different from even the modestly beefy Alex/IRC Tandem 30s 622 wheeset of the Motobecane fixed gear. And as for the 900+ gram (each) Big Apples and 780 gram (each) SnoCat S(uper) L(ight)s rims, I can tell you that climbing a 1/2 mile, steepish hill against a stiff wind is . OTOH, you do notice how heavy wheels maintain their speed better on flats (tho' the 65 mm actual BAs really, truly, do act as sails in the wind: sidewinds and headwinds). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person (like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Interesting analysis; so it's the surging that brings out the advantage of a light wheel on a climb. I do notice that I tend to surge and, when on a fixed gear, even while sitting, if you are pedaling at a slow rpm, the bike tends to momentarily slow, then speed up as you pedal. I shall have to try climbing on the Sam Hill in a low gear (I tend not to downshift for climbs except when heavily loaded.) Still, as Aristotle said, we know the mean from the extremes, and if you compare the Monocog's wheels with very light ones, I'll bet my two custom made cycling hats that even with gears as low as you please, you'd find the lighter wheel easier to get up the hill. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person (like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Fastest season I ever had was the year I spent a few weeks early in the summer helping a buddy roof his house. Full tear off and re-decking, too. That's a core building workout right there! If you want to be faster on the bike, roof a house Steve Frederick, East Lansing MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I'm pretty sure you just described planing. Your IF works perfectly with your power and riding style (and it looks mahvelous, dahlink). What a great combo for you! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure this helps, but I find that some bikes make me want to ride faster than others. So it's not (necessarily) that they ARE much faster, but they beg to be ridden hard, to use a cliche. My Indy Fab Planet X is like that, to the point that it's actually difficult to ride it slowly. Probably a combination of position (low bars) and flexy frame (tigged 853). See http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx054-gernothuber1209.html Perhaps light weight also contributes, not because it is that much faster, but because it responds more immediately to rider input, thus giving more direct positive reinforcement for pushing harder? My Sam with higher bars (and stiffer tubing?) on the other hand seems to encourage a more moderate pace. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4424231067/ So if it's frame flex and light weight that encourage pushing hard, you may need a different frame (terraferma?). If bar position is a big factor, perhaps your Sam will be fine. Get some Cypres tires, lower the bars, and see what happens. You can always raise the bars partway through a century, since you have a threaded stem... :) Gernot On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle) simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline, wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H) about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short arms. So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on the bars position that PJW among others describes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: You describe what is called an f**k you stop. The faster group stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate. I know it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too. I've been on both sides of that, it's a tough spot. Sympathies wane when it's 3am and you're still. not. home. yet. (been there, last year) As for the OP's issue, i agree with Jim on trying different tires first, different wheels second. If you're climbing a lot, lighter wheels will help, otherwise not so much. A somewhat more upright and more comfortable position can certainly slow you a bit, but that may be a worthy compromise averaged over a century, given the reduced fatigue and ability to maintain speed later in the ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Owning a versatile bicycle with 2 very different wheelsets can be a great joy in life. I ride a Cyclocross bike most of the time. When I am touring or towing my son in the trailer or pothole dodging, I have some Pasela Tourguard 35s on 32 spoke Mavic rims. When I am climbing the hills on a group ride or a century, I have a set of Campagnolo Vento Wheels w/ 23mm Vittoria tires. Same bike. Two personalities. I wish I could leave work right now and go ride right now. It has the fast wheels on. cheers, Sean --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: From: Darin G. dbg...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:25 PM Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack. I am also looking into a lighter wheelset, including some that were mentioned in this thread, which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future. I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. And for the record: I do not presently, and never have, wore parachute pants. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
on 4/27/10 10:25 AM, Darin G. at dbg...@mac.com wrote: Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. The other point which I didn't see addressed is whether you can stay stuck with these riders if you tuck in behind and enjoy their draft. Riding with faster riders (or riding with more technically skilled riders) can be a great tool for moving up a bit, speed wise. Here's the thing: Your body (like almost everyone else's) is basically lazy - it will adapt to the stress you put on it. So, if you ride at 73 rpms and 15.6 mph, the body will strengthen itself just to that point and maybe a smidgen extra. So, if you go riding with friends who ride much _shorter_ distances than you tend to, but ride at even slightly higher speeds, it will be very tough for you to ride, say at 90 rpms and 17 mph. You will probably find that you recover your breath much more quickly than your quicker friends, but can't necessarily match the short term efforts. Here's where the Primal/Grok thing comes into play - or, the thing you read in training manuals - about going either slow or fast. If you tend to mosey along at a middling pace, you aren't really building up fast twitch fast muscles or slow twitch endurance muscles. (And I'm not saying not to do so, but try a different approach for a couple weeks). Try really stomping up any hill or incline you encounter on a ride. Try riding a quarter of the distance you normally go, but with twice as much effort. Make a deal with your buddies that they won't drop you - stay stuck to their wheels no matter what so you ride at a slightly uncomfortably higher pace. What will happen is your body will react to offset this and you'll gain some speed. Now. Here's the disclaimer: Do Not Do This if you have physical restrictions, feel pain or haven't had a recent medical check up. Make sure you fully recover from this harder riding. This can be hard work, and for those of use who won't see 40 again, you should be careful, OK? I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. There are always those partners who can just bury themselves on a ride. Best to avoid them, or learn how to ask them questions requiring complex answers on topics they like to expound. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics. I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built with Aerohead rims. Arm-chair quarterback mode off. Cheers, David On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Here's a link for the wheels in other than black 32 spoke. Another lister found these and is giving them a try. http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VeloCity_NuvianClick=15344 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics. I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built with Aerohead rims. Arm-chair quarterback mode off. Cheers, David On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets which run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel. Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides. You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing involved. Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no other info... Cheers, Sean --- On Mon, 4/26/10, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM Well that's a pretty heavy rim tire combo. Remember it is the wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield the most benefit. I'd consider a second set of wheels. If you can afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm tires. That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are probably loosing the pace. Ride with your current wheels every day and switch to the lighter ones for longer events. Michael On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: Here's just an idea... since it sounds like one of your riding partners is riding your old bike, why don't you swap bikes mid-ride for a direct comparison? Is it the equipment or the motor? Position or equipment? Never under estimate the power of the psychological perception of disadvantage. This is what keeps much of the bicycle industry humming along with marketing speak, and product reviews laced with personal opinions. It's also what keeps so many golf shops doing swift business selling new and improved clubs, balls, shoes, clothing, etc... And read the latest BQ - Jan swapped bikes while riding the terraferma and quickly realized that it wasn't the motor, it was the bike. I wonder if the builder of those bikes is having a busy month. about making your bike feel a bit faster... Just for fun - scooch your saddle forward just a bit - see if you don't feel a bit faster. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
That's a good upgrade, Eddy! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Ride Up Grades. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
