RE: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
Cool, glad that's all cleared up! I sure wouldn't relable it--it's original as it sits, right? I'd keep it that way...someday you'll be glad you did, I think. As will future scholars that will write papers and delve deep into the history of the finest bicycles made at the turn of the century. B-) Just sticking my nose and $.02 in. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:10 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner. It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP and co. Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such. Expect an updated post with the completed build with two month's time, or so. On Jul 13, 10:23 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail, it is hard to tell the quality. A reasonably competent photographer could make a rattle can job look pretty good. In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good. Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that well. On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Joe Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs. It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll try again. The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid...Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
I believe that the folks in Walnut Creek will sell you the Decals and / or HeadBadge if you have the serial number / etc. You could get it painted with your favorite current color scheme, and just have a blast with it. I assume you got a deal on the frame, so investing in a nice paint job (or even adding a few braze-ons) might be the right approach. Nice Purchase, great mystery. Now... how are you going to build it up? cheers, Sean --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:38 AM That's the issue, it isn't original. It had been repainted and decaled. I have no idea what the original color and decal situation was, although it seems like it probably did have Rivendell decals, but with more reserved paint. The repaint was in 2001, so it's unlikely that any pictures exist of it in the original style. On Jul 14, 6:21 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Cool, glad that's all cleared up! I sure wouldn't relable it--it's original as it sits, right? I'd keep it that way...someday you'll be glad you did, I think. As will future scholars that will write papers and delve deep into the history of the finest bicycles made at the turn of the century. B-) Just sticking my nose and $.02 in. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:10 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner. It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP and co. Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such. Expect an updated post with the completed build with two month's time, or so. On Jul 13, 10:23 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail, it is hard to tell the quality. A reasonably competent photographer could make a rattle can job look pretty good. In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good. Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that well. On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Joe Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs. It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll try again. The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
Riv might even know the original colors, since they were able to find the original invoice on it. Not that you couldn't pick your own, but it would be interesting. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.comwrote: I believe that the folks in Walnut Creek will sell you the Decals and / or HeadBadge if you have the serial number / etc. You could get it painted with your favorite current color scheme, and just have a blast with it. I assume you got a deal on the frame, so investing in a nice paint job (or even adding a few braze-ons) might be the right approach. Nice Purchase, great mystery. Now... how are you going to build it up? cheers, Sean --- On *Wed, 7/14/10, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:38 AM That's the issue, it isn't original. It had been repainted and decaled. I have no idea what the original color and decal situation was, although it seems like it probably did have Rivendell decals, but with more reserved paint. The repaint was in 2001, so it's unlikely that any pictures exist of it in the original style. On Jul 14, 6:21 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.eduhttp://mc/compose?to=frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Cool, glad that's all cleared up! I sure wouldn't relable it--it's original as it sits, right? I'd keep it that way...someday you'll be glad you did, I think. As will future scholars that will write papers and delve deep into the history of the finest bicycles made at the turn of the century. B-) Just sticking my nose and $.02 in. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:10 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner. It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP and co. Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such. Expect an updated post with the completed build with two month's time, or so. On Jul 13, 10:23 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.comhttp://mc/compose?to=joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail, it is hard to tell the quality. A reasonably competent photographer could make a rattle can job look pretty good. In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good. Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that well. On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more. Joe Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.eduhttp://mc/compose?to=frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as well... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Grant Petersen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts
Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Cool, glad that's all cleared up! I sure wouldn't relable it--it's original as it sits, right? It's not original, but I wouldn't relabel it as a Protovelo, because the bicycle predates the invention of the Protovelo label, doesn't it? So anyone who saw the Protovelo on it would think it dated from 2009 or 2010 or something like that, wouldn't they? -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote: The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner. It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP and co. Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such. Good for you for getting the right labels on it and good for Grant for being cool about getting it all straight. always cool when everyone is acting fairly and in good faith. I seem to see that a lot on this list. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
