Re: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 17:25 -0700, Daniel M wrote: Indexing is great when perfectly adjusted; when it gets out of whack I can just go back to friction until I or a shop take the time to adjust it again Mostly all it takes to get indexing working perfectly again is 1/4 turn on the cable adjustment, hardly a time-consuming process, or one requiring a trip to the shop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
Just learn how to index 'em yourself. It's easy! http://parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=64 One of the most liberating feelings ever was when I internalized how to fix/install my derailers. -Gino On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Daniel M dpmay...@hotmail.com wrote: I inquired about getting Silver shifters with Paul Thumbies less than two months ago and was told it was a less-than-desirable combination, so I had my Hillborne set up with Shimanos instead. Not clear on exactly what changed, but really no complaints about the Shimanos, either. I rode them for the first few weeks in friction mode and really enjoyed the feel. After having the derailers adjusted I tried out index mode again and it turns out I really like having both options. Indexing is great when perfectly adjusted; when it gets out of whack I can just go back to friction until I or a shop take the time to adjust it again. Daniel On Jun 2, 5:18 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote: I seem to recall a post that Silver Silvers could not be used with Paul Thumbies. Well, it looks like Rivendell has come up with a way to make them work with each other. http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/307/original_brokebike.pdf Should be a great combination. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
The way I recommend folks remember is that you turn the barrel in the direction that you're having trouble. If it won't shift up to larger cogs, turn the adjuster counterclockwise. (both to the left when looking from behind the bike) Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of MichaelH Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:06 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies It never turns out to be that simple for me. I recently had to adjust the Shimano BE indexing on my new tandem. It would either not shift smoothly in the 1-2 position, or the 8-9 position. It took an hour and a half of fiddling to finally get everything right. One issue, for those of us who do this infrequently is that I'm never sure which direction - right or left - that the adjuster needs to be moved. I'm glad you have had a good experience with them, but I'm sure I'm not alone in finding them annoyingly finnicky. Michael On Jun 3, 7:14 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 17:25 -0700, Daniel M wrote: Indexing is great when perfectly adjusted; when it gets out of whack I can just go back to friction until I or a shop take the time to adjust it again Mostly all it takes to get indexing working perfectly again is 1/4 turn on the cable adjustment, hardly a time-consuming process, or one requiring a trip to the shop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
If you follow the Park directions step by step, it's hard to go wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any problems setting up derailleurs and friction systems, just the indexing. Steve's remark about turning into the direction that is not working is helpful. I can probably even remember that. Michael On Jun 3, 10:54 am, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Just learn how to index 'em yourself. It's easy!http://parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=64 One of the most liberating feelings ever was when I internalized how to fix/install my derailers. -Gino On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Daniel M dpmay...@hotmail.com wrote: I inquired about getting Silver shifters with Paul Thumbies less than two months ago and was told it was a less-than-desirable combination, so I had my Hillborne set up with Shimanos instead. Not clear on exactly what changed, but really no complaints about the Shimanos, either. I rode them for the first few weeks in friction mode and really enjoyed the feel. After having the derailers adjusted I tried out index mode again and it turns out I really like having both options. Indexing is great when perfectly adjusted; when it gets out of whack I can just go back to friction until I or a shop take the time to adjust it again. Daniel On Jun 2, 5:18 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote: I seem to recall a post that Silver Silvers could not be used with Paul Thumbies. Well, it looks like Rivendell has come up with a way to make them work with each other. http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/307/original_brokebike.pdf Should be a great combination. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 11:11 -0400, Frederick, Steve wrote: One issue, for those of us who do this infrequently is that I'm never sure which direction - right or left - that the adjuster needs to be moved. Here's another way to remember it: if it won't downshift quickly or completely (and with a bar end shifter you need to overshift or pull beyond the click to get the shift to complete) the cable's not pulling enough, i.e., not enough tension. If it's lazy upshifting, there's too much cable tension. The barrel adjuster or inline adjuster is a right hand threaded screw. When you unscrew it (i.e., turn it anticlockwise) it backs out, which makes the housing longer, which adds tension to the cable -- exactly like the tension adjuster on the brake. Does anybody have any trouble remembering how to use the barrel adjuster on a brake? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 15:20 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote: I would think a tandem with those lng cables could be a little tougher to keep the indexing straight on. All the comments about how golly, it's no big deal may not apply to you. My tandem indexes fine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: silver shiters and paul thumbies
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure it does, sir. My point is it may take a little more fiddling to keep that way if you're not a 'constant index fiddler', which I happen to be. I had a very long recumbent that took more time to get 'right' than my other bikes. I'm not a constant index fiddler and my tandem indexes fine, too. Indexing is really not that difficult to deal with, especially with barends. There just little spots where the shifter will stop when you move it. That's it. those spots are very precise distances from one another and they correspond strongly to the amount of cable necessary to move the derailler to the next cog. as a general rule - if you have top and bottom right and you aren't playing any silly games to make it all work then indexing just works once you get your cable tension right. I have no problem with friction shifting, none at all, and for certain types of bikes I prefer it - but I don't think indexed levers are a terrible thing. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
