Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
FWIW, I poured some graphite in. The kind in the little squeeze tubes for doors and such. Can't hurt. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:50 AM, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I tried chain waxing for a while, but never really liked it and moved on to T9. I think my problem was that I was commuting daily in all weather and some of it was wet, especially in the fall and spring. I think that it would have held up much better if it had been dry. The biggest drawback for me was that I was screwed if my chain started squeaking on a long ride or when I was on a ride away from home and couldn't re-wax it. In those instances, I would just have to throw some conventional chain oil on anyway and the whole thing would be a huge mess. One suggestion that did seem to work though when I used wax was adding a teflon-based synthetic motor additive to the wax (just a very little amount though, maybe 5% or so). Although it's not as green as beeswax, it seemed to perform and lubricate much better than strait wax* *extremely unscientific claim On Feb 22, 3:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them from rusting due to the high humidity here... JimP Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax? From: cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
What type of compressor? Air? Best Regards, R Zeidler On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I hot-waxed my chain for several years, enduring ridicule from the wife (and friends who caught me doin the double-boiler thing)... I got the idea from a dude in Pueblo, CO (in 1985)... This guy did a lot of creek-riding... where he would literally be riding his bike up and down a local creek (in the absence of trails)... Somehow I was convinced this was the only way to go. Years later, after realizing I wasn't riding many creeks in the East and concluding that hot-waxing was indeed a royal PITA, I seemed to re- discover petrol-based lubes, the Park chain cleaner and the orange chain solvent. In fact I've settled on a very basic, inexpensive an reliable lube (compressor-oil, if you can believe it)... This for me has consistently outperformed every other lube I've ever tried, but admittedly I'm unscientific... It just feels better. Regardless I love this topic... it always ignites interesting debate, and I'm waiting for that simple, killer lube to one day emerge... either that, or the belt-drive thing may be a game-changer... Bobby I only wax poetic Birmingham On Feb 22, 10:58 am, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote: Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them from rusting due to the high humidity here... JimP Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax? From: cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
you guys sure go through alot of trouble lubing your chains. I hit each link with a drop of boshield after riding in wet conditions or when the chain makes any sound, let it sit overnight or a few hours, and then wipe off. no problems. easy. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.comwrote: Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them from rusting due to the high humidity here... JimP -- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax? From: cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
...and almost everywhere else one could visit. Best Regards, R Zeidler On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: I gotta go with you on this, omnigrid. I think people get to mystical about chain lube. As a side note I was amazed to see the rusty covered squeaky creaky chains people had on their daily riders when I went down to Cozumel, Mex. On Feb 22, 8:23 am, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: you guys sure go through alot of trouble lubing your chains. I hit each link with a drop of boshield after riding in wet conditions or when the chain makes any sound, let it sit overnight or a few hours, and then wipe off. no problems. easy. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.comwrote: Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them from rusting due to the high humidity here... JimP -- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax? From: cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
I presume due to the movement, the moisture penetrates and lifts the wax right off. Starts squeaking almost instantly, and visually is gone. If you're just talking about the exterior of guns in storage, there aren't moving parts, so that might be the difference. For me, the wax is incredibly CLEAN! I don't think it does as good a job as Boeshield or similar, but I'll never have a chainring tattoo on my calve! Can't stand that black nastiness, but that's a personal problem! :-) On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:58 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.comwrote: Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them from rusting due to the high humidity here... JimP -- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax? From: cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I use a Fry Baby deep fryer. I don't know what temp it heats to. FYI, the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture. Not a problem for me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why- to's of waxing. -Pete On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a riv reader for that matter. The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus 212 Fahrenheit max. Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability reasons, one assumes). So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic? Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally try wax after 20 years of cycling. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
