Re: [RBW] 10/23 BLAGH regarding the Roaduno

2023-10-07 Thread Paul Richardson 
thanks erics for the responses.  having never used one, i didn't consider 
that switching cogs on a DOS would affect the brakepads, but that does make 
a lotta sense.

hoping to see lots of different builds on the UNO.

paul
takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] 10/23 BLAGH regarding the Roaduno

2023-10-07 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Three speed IGH Quickbeam!  Cool.  Do you wish your QB had different rear 
dropouts now?  If you could wave a magic wand at them, would you leave them 
the way they are?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> As a longtime Quickbeam owner, I’ll add my observation that the brake pad 
> alignment trick with angled dropouts only works with very short brake pads. 
> The longer pads that many of us have on our bikes will tend to extend over 
> the rim and hit the tire when the wheel is moved forward if you’re changing 
> more than a couple of teeth on the rear cog. The pad moves rearward in 
> relation to the wheel, and eventually moves off the rim.
>
> Making the big jumps possible with dual chainrings tended to bring up the 
> pad/tire overlap.
>
> I converted my QB to a three-speed after riding it fixed for a few years. 
> Now, the rear wheel stays in the same position all the time, and I can use 
> modern, long pads without any problems.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Oct 6, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> Angled dropouts allow the rear rim to track the brake pad as you move the 
> wheel back and forth in the dropouts. The upshot of this is that if you are 
> performing manual gear changes (for instance, a 42t ring up front, and a 
> 16/18 White Industries dos cog in the rear), you can change gears (by 
> moving the wheel in the dropout) and the brakes will still hit the rim.
>
> If the slot is horizontal, the brake pads will lose contact with the rim 
> as you move the wheel. It's an all around worse system.
>
> The best system for this kind of nerdiness is a forward facing slanted 
> dropout (for example, the recently departed Surly Cross Check). That still 
> allows manual gear change tomfoolery, but it makes wheel removal, 
> especially with fenders, much easier.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 7:26 PM Paul Richardson  
> wrote:
>
>> hi bill
>>
>> perhaps a dumb question BUT i wonder if you'd mind shedding light on how 
>> this dropout vs. quickbeam (/s.o./f.j.sr.) dropout changes the setup 
>> options.  i'm not clear on the effect of the horizontal dropout as opposed 
>> to the slanted one.  
>>
>> i too find many reasons to be very excited about the pending roaduno 
>> DROP.  
>>
>> thanks!
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] 10/23 BLAGH regarding the Roaduno

2023-10-06 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
As a longtime Quickbeam owner, I’ll add my observation that the brake pad 
alignment trick with angled dropouts only works with very short brake pads. The 
longer pads that many of us have on our bikes will tend to extend over the rim 
and hit the tire when the wheel is moved forward if you’re changing more than a 
couple of teeth on the rear cog. The pad moves rearward in relation to the 
wheel, and eventually moves off the rim.

Making the big jumps possible with dual chainrings tended to bring up the 
pad/tire overlap.

I converted my QB to a three-speed after riding it fixed for a few years. Now, 
the rear wheel stays in the same position all the time, and I can use modern, 
long pads without any problems.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> Angled dropouts allow the rear rim to track the brake pad as you move the 
> wheel back and forth in the dropouts. The upshot of this is that if you are 
> performing manual gear changes (for instance, a 42t ring up front, and a 
> 16/18 White Industries dos cog in the rear), you can change gears (by moving 
> the wheel in the dropout) and the brakes will still hit the rim.
> 
> If the slot is horizontal, the brake pads will lose contact with the rim as 
> you move the wheel. It's an all around worse system.
> 
> The best system for this kind of nerdiness is a forward facing slanted 
> dropout (for example, the recently departed Surly Cross Check). That still 
> allows manual gear change tomfoolery, but it makes wheel removal, especially 
> with fenders, much easier.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 7:26 PM Paul Richardson  > wrote:
>> hi bill
>> 
>> perhaps a dumb question BUT i wonder if you'd mind shedding light on how 
>> this dropout vs. quickbeam (/s.o./f.j.sr .) dropout changes 
>> the setup options.  i'm not clear on the effect of the horizontal dropout as 
>> opposed to the slanted one.  
>> 
>> i too find many reasons to be very excited about the pending roaduno DROP.  
>> 
>> thanks!
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] 10/23 BLAGH regarding the Roaduno

2023-10-06 Thread Patrick Moore 
I laughed; you've got a good memory.

This was one slogan/design my brother put on T shirts (and sold online and
in at least 1 ABQ LBS) 20+ years ago as part of his now defunct and always
very part time "Two Wheel Fetish" bike business. The design had the "O's"
in the form of an old Campy track ring. I recall my mother asking, puzzled:
"Ne cog, ne ring, ne God: what does that mean?"

Rick Reisemberg declined to carry the T-shirt because he thought it was
proselytizing, but it was only being flippant.

I wish I still had one or two.


On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
... One ring, one cog, one God.

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