Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

Late reply, but I did manage to measure the bb drop t'other day: 76mm, so 
not quite 80mm, but deep.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:37:50 AM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:
>
> I love that color.  The bottom bracket looks low.  Had Grant started to 
> use the 80mm of drop then or is it just the angle of the picture?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:11:47 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, enjoy. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely build, Paul!
>>> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1998 Rivendell Road
>>>
>>> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
>>> 
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride!
>>> cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
>>> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom 
>>> Starck-Riv Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many 
>>> other awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. 
>>> Doesn't look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling 
>>> it to Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. 
>>> Maybe tomorrow?
>>>
>>> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
>>> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
>>> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
>>> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>>>
>>> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
>>> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
>>> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
>>> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
>>> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
>>> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
>>> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
>>> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
>>> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
>>> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
>>> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
>>> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
>>> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>>>
>>> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
>>> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
>>> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
>>> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
>>> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>>>
>>> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
>>> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
>>> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
>>> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
>>> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
>>> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
>>> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
>>> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
>>> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
>>> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>>>
>>> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
>>> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
>>> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
>>> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>>>
>>> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
>>> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>>>
>>> Flickr album here:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>>>
>>> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[lconley]

I stand corrected.

Laing

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 12:52:01 AM UTC-4, Richard Sachs wrote:
>
>
> *On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:27:53 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:*
> *Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up 
> being used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?*
>
> I did (design these for Bridgestone.)
>
>
> *On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:*
> *Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.*
>
> The W is for Walter. 
>
> e-RICHIE
> Deep River, CT
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Richard Sachs]

*On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:27:53 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:*
*Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up being 
used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?*

I did (design these for Bridgestone.)


*On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:*
*Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.*

The W is for Walter. 

e-RICHIE
Deep River, CT


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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Jake P]

Paul,

Love the color. I believe my 2001 All-Rounder is the same. Beautiful dark 
green, in the shade - but in the sun so much sparkle and star dust it 
practically glows. Love love love it.

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Looks very nice Paul. 
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 3:56 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
>> Sent back the Zephyr, got the Alize, slapped it on along with the BBG 
>> bash guard, raised the fder a hair, and it all works. The slightly higher 
>> gearing with the 40t ring is fine, the CX-70 fder shifts the 40-24t gap 
>> well. Bottom of the fder cage is closer to the teeth, weird alloy spacer 
>> thingie is replaced with something functional. Also got a little bit more 
>> cage clearance above the chainstay. 
>>
>> It's all a little less shiny overall, might get a BBG in silver. Maybe 
>> sacrifice a 41t ring? Snap off the teeth and file. Though that involves 
>> more work...
>>
>> Second ride, now with the new gearing and all bolts & stuff tightened, 
>> was fun. It's a keeper.
>>
>> But friction shifting the 8spd cassette is, forgive me fellow listers, 
>> for da boids. Too fiddly for this old codger, I prefer clicking to cover 
>> this many cogs to fishing for gears. Got some Shimano Sora 8spd downtube 
>> clickers on the way. I'll probably leave the Silver on the front, Sora for 
>> the rear. Every deluxe Riv build should have at least one entry-/mid-range 
>> piece on it anyways.
>>
>> Apologies for the messy background
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
>>
>> [image: 50424661122_5a986c2694_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50424490066_9b3fc4a229_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50424660407_c4a59f4b09_c.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 9:39:43 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Todd.
>>>
>>> I got the 40t Zephyr K ring today, pulled the drive-side crankarm off to 
>>> install it, and when I tried to switch the rings realized what I actually 
>>> needed was an Alize K ring, not a Zephry K. Alize is 130bcd, Zephyr is 
>>> 110bcd. So not even close.
>>>
>>> So for all the stuff I wrote in previous posts about the Zephyr K 
>>> tripelizer ring, should've read Alize K tripelizer ring. 
>>>
>>> Sheesh. If it's not one thing, it's another.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:17:12 PM UTC-4, Todd G. wrote:

 Beautiful bike, Paul. Looks very well thought out and I’m sure it rides 
 as good as it looks. Enjoy!

 On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 2:27:43 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shoot, I thought Joe had thought that little thing up just for me. 
> It's a nice little oddity, but serves no purpose that I can see. 
>
> Speaking of oddities, I had Chauncey braze a wire "L" onto the right 
> seatstay just below the bridge, made I think from an old spoke. This is a 
> chain hook, tho' Joe put an elegant little shelf on the chainstay for 
> this 
> purpose just for'ard of the dropout; but that shelf -- a kind of 
> metalsmith's version of the Columbine hanger  -- doesn't work well, since 
> there is no derailleur to hold the chain taut; the chain just slips off. 
> But the "L" does hold it up out of the sand (no pretty grass verges here) 
> when I have to remove the rear wheel by the side of the road.
>
> I'd guess that the L's upright is about 1/2" long. When he made the 
> 2003 Curt replacement (the Curt didn't have that little chainstay lug 
> wing) 
> I asked him to make the upright longer. He did that. It's about 1 1/2" 
> long, comically long. But it does work; you can skewer both runs of chain 
> on it with room to spare. 
>
> Both of these are really hidden from sight behind the seatstay; you 
> have to crane your neck and peer closely to see them.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:14 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one 
>> on Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard 
>> has been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very 
>> familiar with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't 
>> know 
>> who made the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an 
>> exclusive Sachs design.
>>
>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they 
>> make their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end 
>> steel 
>> frame mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who 
>> Riv 
>> is using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>
>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long 
>> Shen. I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team 
>> Pro 
>> uses lugs made by Allotec.
>>
>> Long Shen was/is better known, I 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Paul, I never knew that.



On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Looks like Sachs carved the lugs for Bridgestone, which Grant couldn't get
> them to use. Grant then used them on his first Riv frames.
>
> '93 fax from Grant to Richard re: lug progress @ BS:
> https://www.richardsachs.com/a-fax-from-bridgestone/
>
> Jan Heine blog mention, he also says there's more early Riv info in a BQ:
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/1995-rivendell-turning-the-tide/
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:09:35 AM UTC-4, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> Sachs did design the lugs for Rivendell.  Don’t know about the
>> Bridgestone part.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up
>>> being used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on
>>>
>>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard
>>> has been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very
>>> familiar with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know
>>> who made the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an
>>> exclusive Sachs design.
>>>
>>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make
>>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame
>>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is
>>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th
>>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>>
>>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen.
>>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses
>>> lugs made by Allotec.
>>>
>>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're
>>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over
>>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f
>>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f."
>>>
>>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other
>>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns
>>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them,
>>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>>>
>>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had
>>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by
>>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec.
>>>
>>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure
>>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>>>
>>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many
>>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many
>>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the
>>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're
>>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to
>>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>>>
>>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s,
>>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if
>>> those ever went into production.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:

 Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.

 Laing

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe
> that they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com
> wrote:
>
>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at
>> the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the
>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell,
>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but
>> I've seen 'em before.
>>
>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well.
>> Then the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, Todd.

I got the 40t Zephyr K ring today, pulled the drive-side crankarm off to 
install it, and when I tried to switch the rings realized what I actually 
needed was an Alize K ring, not a Zephry K. Alize is 130bcd, Zephyr is 
110bcd. So not even close.

So for all the stuff I wrote in previous posts about the Zephyr K 
tripelizer ring, should've read Alize K tripelizer ring. 

Sheesh. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:17:12 PM UTC-4, Todd G. wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike, Paul. Looks very well thought out and I’m sure it rides as 
> good as it looks. Enjoy!
>
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 2:27:43 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Shoot, I thought Joe had thought that little thing up just for me. It's a 
>> nice little oddity, but serves no purpose that I can see. 
>>
>> Speaking of oddities, I had Chauncey braze a wire "L" onto the right 
>> seatstay just below the bridge, made I think from an old spoke. This is a 
>> chain hook, tho' Joe put an elegant little shelf on the chainstay for this 
>> purpose just for'ard of the dropout; but that shelf -- a kind of 
>> metalsmith's version of the Columbine hanger  -- doesn't work well, since 
>> there is no derailleur to hold the chain taut; the chain just slips off. 
>> But the "L" does hold it up out of the sand (no pretty grass verges here) 
>> when I have to remove the rear wheel by the side of the road.
>>
>> I'd guess that the L's upright is about 1/2" long. When he made the 2003 
>> Curt replacement (the Curt didn't have that little chainstay lug wing) I 
>> asked him to make the upright longer. He did that. It's about 1 1/2" long, 
>> comically long. But it does work; you can skewer both runs of chain on it 
>> with room to spare. 
>>
>> Both of these are really hidden from sight behind the seatstay; you have 
>> to crane your neck and peer closely to see them.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:14 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
>>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
>>> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
>>> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made 
>>> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs 
>>> design.
>>>
>>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
>>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
>>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
>>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
>>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>>
>>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. 
>>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses 
>>> lugs made by Allotec.
>>>
>>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
>>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
>>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
>>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 
>>>
>>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
>>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns 
>>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, 
>>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>>>
>>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had 
>>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
>>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 
>>>
>>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure 
>>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>>>
>>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many 
>>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many 
>>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the 
>>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're 
>>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to 
>>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>>>
>>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, 
>>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if 
>>> those ever went into production.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:

 Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.

 Laing

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe 
> that they made some frames 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

Looks like Sachs carved the lugs for Bridgestone, which Grant couldn't get 
them to use. Grant then used them on his first Riv frames.

'93 fax from Grant to Richard re: lug progress @ BS:
https://www.richardsachs.com/a-fax-from-bridgestone/

Jan Heine blog mention, he also says there's more early Riv info in a BQ:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/1995-rivendell-turning-the-tide/

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:09:35 AM UTC-4, Joel S wrote:
>
> Sachs did design the lugs for Rivendell.  Don’t know about the Bridgestone 
> part.  
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up 
>> being used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
>>
>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
>> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
>> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made 
>> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs 
>> design.
>>
>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>
>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. 
>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses 
>> lugs made by Allotec.
>>
>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 
>>
>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns 
>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, 
>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>>
>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had 
>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 
>>
>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure 
>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>>
>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many 
>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many 
>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the 
>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're 
>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to 
>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>>
>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, 
>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if 
>> those ever went into production.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
 I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe 
 that they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at 
> the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
>
> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
> I've seen 'em before.
>
> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>
> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, 
> 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Todd G.]

Beautiful bike, Paul. Looks very well thought out and I’m sure it rides as 
good as it looks. Enjoy!

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 2:27:43 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shoot, I thought Joe had thought that little thing up just for me. It's a 
> nice little oddity, but serves no purpose that I can see. 
>
> Speaking of oddities, I had Chauncey braze a wire "L" onto the right 
> seatstay just below the bridge, made I think from an old spoke. This is a 
> chain hook, tho' Joe put an elegant little shelf on the chainstay for this 
> purpose just for'ard of the dropout; but that shelf -- a kind of 
> metalsmith's version of the Columbine hanger  -- doesn't work well, since 
> there is no derailleur to hold the chain taut; the chain just slips off. 
> But the "L" does hold it up out of the sand (no pretty grass verges here) 
> when I have to remove the rear wheel by the side of the road.
>
> I'd guess that the L's upright is about 1/2" long. When he made the 2003 
> Curt replacement (the Curt didn't have that little chainstay lug wing) I 
> asked him to make the upright longer. He did that. It's about 1 1/2" long, 
> comically long. But it does work; you can skewer both runs of chain on it 
> with room to spare. 
>
> Both of these are really hidden from sight behind the seatstay; you have 
> to crane your neck and peer closely to see them.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:14 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
>> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
>> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made 
>> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs 
>> design.
>>
>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>
>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. 
>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses 
>> lugs made by Allotec.
>>
>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 
>>
>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns 
>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, 
>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>>
>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had 
>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 
>>
>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure 
>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>>
>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many 
>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many 
>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the 
>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're 
>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to 
>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>>
>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, 
>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if 
>> those ever went into production.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
 I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe 
 that they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at 
> the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
>
> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
> 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Shoot, I thought Joe had thought that little thing up just for me. It's a
nice little oddity, but serves no purpose that I can see.

Speaking of oddities, I had Chauncey braze a wire "L" onto the right
seatstay just below the bridge, made I think from an old spoke. This is a
chain hook, tho' Joe put an elegant little shelf on the chainstay for this
purpose just for'ard of the dropout; but that shelf -- a kind of
metalsmith's version of the Columbine hanger  -- doesn't work well, since
there is no derailleur to hold the chain taut; the chain just slips off.
But the "L" does hold it up out of the sand (no pretty grass verges here)
when I have to remove the rear wheel by the side of the road.

I'd guess that the L's upright is about 1/2" long. When he made the 2003
Curt replacement (the Curt didn't have that little chainstay lug wing) I
asked him to make the upright longer. He did that. It's about 1 1/2" long,
comically long. But it does work; you can skewer both runs of chain on it
with room to spare.

Both of these are really hidden from sight behind the seatstay; you have to
crane your neck and peer closely to see them.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:14 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on
> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has
> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar
> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made
> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs
> design.
>
> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make
> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame
> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is
> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th
> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>
> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I
> don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses
> lugs made by Allotec.
>
> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're
> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over
> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f
> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f."
>
> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other
> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns
> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them,
> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>
> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to
> scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by
> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec.
>
> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure
> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>
> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many
> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many
> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the
> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're
> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to
> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>
> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s,
> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if
> those ever went into production.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that
>>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at
 the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:


 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy

 On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:

 Hey Patrick,

 My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the
 clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell,
 with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but
 I've seen 'em before.

 Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then
 the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten
 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel Stern]

Sachs did design the lugs for Rivendell.  Don’t know about the Bridgestone
part.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up being
> used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> 
> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on
>
> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has
> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar
> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made
> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs
> design.
>
> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make
> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame
> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is
> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th
> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>
> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I
> don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses
> lugs made by Allotec.
>
> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're
> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over
> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f
> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f."
>
> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other
> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns
> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them,
> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>
> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to
> scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by
> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec.
>
> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure
> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>
> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many
> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many
> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the
> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're
> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to
> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>
> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s,
> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if
> those ever went into production.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that
>>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at
 the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:


 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy




 On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:

 Hey Patrick,

 My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the
 clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell,
 with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but
 I've seen 'em before.

 Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then
 the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten
 distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.

 It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made
 by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But
 over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with
 these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell
 into a bad batch.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike
> sorted.
>
> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay
> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999
> 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up being used 
on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?

–Eric N


> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
> 
> 
> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made the 
> bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs design.
> 
> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
> 
> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I 
> don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses lugs 
> made by Allotec.
> 
> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 
> 
> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns the 
> molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, but he 
> ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
> 
> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to 
> scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 
> 
> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure that's 
> where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
> 
> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many senses 
> of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many just 
> called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the drift. Nikko 
> still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're a bulge-forming 
> company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to be cast, can't 
> get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
> 
> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, with 
> Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if those 
> ever went into production.
> 
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>> 
>> Laing
>> 
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
>>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>> 
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>> 
 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
 There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
 moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
 
 
 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>> 
> Hey Patrick,
> 
> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
> I've seen 'em before.
> 
> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
> 
> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made 
> by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. 
> But over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures 
> with these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe 
> fell into a bad batch.
> 
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
> 
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>> 
>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay 
>> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 
>> gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>> So I 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on 
Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has 
been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar 
with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made 
the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs 
design.

Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make 
their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame 
mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is 
using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th 
Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.

The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I 
don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses 
lugs made by Allotec.

Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're 
closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over 
production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f 
order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." 

Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other 
frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns 
the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, 
but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.

Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to 
scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by 
Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. 

I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure 
that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.

Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many 
senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many 
just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the 
drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're 
a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to 
be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.

Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, with 
Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if those 
ever went into production.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA



On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
>>> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>>>
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Patrick,
>>>
>>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
>>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
>>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
>>> I've seen 'em before.
>>>
>>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
>>> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
>>> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>>>
>>> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made 
>>> by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
>>> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
>>> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
>>> into a bad batch.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 

 Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay 
 lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 
 gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).

 [image: image.png]

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence 
> of late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding 
> saddleundertightened 
> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the 
> first 
> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's 
> a 
> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[lconley]

Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.

Laing

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
>> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
>> I've seen 'em before.
>>
>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then 
>> the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
>> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>>
>> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made 
>> by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
>> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
>> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
>> into a bad batch.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>>>
>>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay 
>>> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 
>>> gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
 So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence 
 of late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding 
 saddleundertightened 
 binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
 hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
 Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
 internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
 out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
 a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
 torque. 

 Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
 roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
 repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
 hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
 which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant 
 if 
 I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
 anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
 should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
 usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
 stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
 somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.

 Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You 
 know what? All in all it was still a very nice ride

 Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
 time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
 actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.

 It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
 the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
 hadn't dealt with that.

 I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.
>
> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size 
> was 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint 
> flaws down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, 
> visible 
> in the naked frame photos.
>
> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
> lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[lconley]

Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that 
they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at the 
> moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
>
> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the 
> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell, 
> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but 
> I've seen 'em before.
>
> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then the 
> tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten 
> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.
>
> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made by 
> Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But 
> over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with 
> these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell 
> into a bad batch.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike sorted. 
>>
>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay lugs 
>> just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 gofast 
>> fixie custom (half-assed photo attached).
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>>> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. Evidence of 
>>> late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding saddleundertightened 
>>> binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating downward drastically on the first 
>>> hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was a minor issue because it's a 
>>> Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin 6mm wrench to reach the short 
>>> internal bolt. That leaves you with the short end of an L-wrench hanging 
>>> out the back, which is very difficult to torque to spec. Fortunately I had 
>>> a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so I could use that for added 
>>> torque. 
>>>
>>> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a 
>>> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the 
>>> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to older 
>>> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, 
>>> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that meant if 
>>> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got home 
>>> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking I 
>>> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm tired I 
>>> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the 
>>> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up some 
>>> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it.
>>>
>>> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. You 
>>> know what? All in all it was still a very nice ride
>>>
>>> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very good 
>>> time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. The 30mm 
>>> actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat.
>>>
>>> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands off 
>>> the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, and...I 
>>> hadn't dealt with that.
>>>
>>> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:

 Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the 
 possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor.

 I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame size was 
 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were some paint 
 flaws 
 down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded away, visible in 
 the 
 naked frame photos.

 I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier head 
 lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from Peter 
> to me to Trevor.
>
> Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little small 
> for me, and looking at my 

Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, all! I'm happy with how it turned out.

I was in such a rush to put it together that I forgot to measure the bb 
drop and the standover height. The bb drop does look large/low, I figured 
without even measuring that if I tried 650b wheels I'd be scraping pedals 
pretty easily, since the frame probably couldn't fit wider than 42-584 or 
so.

I really oughta get myself one of those Rene Herse tire width guagey 
thingies, if they've still got them.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:37:50 AM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:
>
> I love that color.  The bottom bracket looks low.  Had Grant started to 
> use the 80mm of drop then or is it just the angle of the picture?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:11:47 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, enjoy. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely build, Paul!
>>> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1998 Rivendell Road
>>>
>>> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
>>> 
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride!
>>> cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
>>> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom 
>>> Starck-Riv Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many 
>>> other awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. 
>>> Doesn't look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling 
>>> it to Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. 
>>> Maybe tomorrow?
>>>
>>> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
>>> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
>>> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
>>> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>>>
>>> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
>>> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
>>> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
>>> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
>>> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
>>> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
>>> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
>>> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
>>> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
>>> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
>>> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
>>> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
>>> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>>>
>>> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
>>> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
>>> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
>>> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
>>> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>>>
>>> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
>>> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
>>> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
>>> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
>>> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
>>> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
>>> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
>>> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
>>> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
>>> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>>>
>>> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
>>> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
>>> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
>>> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>>>
>>> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
>>> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>>>
>>> Flickr album here:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>>>
>>> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Andy Beichler]

I love that color.  The bottom bracket looks low.  Had Grant started to use 
the 80mm of drop then or is it just the angle of the picture?

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:11:47 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> Beautiful, enjoy. 
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Lovely build, Paul!
>> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
>> 
>>
>> 1998 Rivendell Road
>>
>> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
>> 
>>
>> Enjoy the ride!
>> cheers,
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
>> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom Starck-Riv 
>> Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many other 
>> awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. Doesn't 
>> look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling it to 
>> Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. Maybe 
>> tomorrow?
>>
>> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
>> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
>> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
>> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>>
>> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
>> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
>> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
>> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
>> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
>> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
>> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
>> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
>> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
>> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
>> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
>> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
>> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>>
>> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
>> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
>> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
>> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
>> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>>
>> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
>> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
>> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
>> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
>> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
>> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
>> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
>> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
>> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
>> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>>
>> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
>> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
>> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
>> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>>
>> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
>> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>>
>> Flickr album here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>>
>> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel]

Beautiful, enjoy. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Lovely build, Paul!
> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
> 
>
> 1998 Rivendell Road
>
> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
> 
>
> Enjoy the ride!
> cheers,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom Starck-Riv 
> Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many other 
> awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. Doesn't 
> look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling it to 
> Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. Maybe 
> tomorrow?
>
> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>
> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>
> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>
> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>
> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>
> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>
> Flickr album here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>
> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
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