Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Mike.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:31 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> Well I just posted on the other cork thread but it was suddenly deleted,
> so...
>
> I've found the RBW cork grips to be more durable than than they seem
> without shellac. For the cork-curious the Velo Orange ones are really nice
> too https://velo-orange.com/collections/grips-wraps  . The black ones are
> quite soft compared to the others natural cork and RBW type.
>
> I like to mount them backwards which creates a nice ridge that feels good
> on the hand. Pic attached.
>
> Mike
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Joel Stern]

Jon, I’ve heard some people use pieces of old tubes under bar cloth.  Don’t
know what road bike tape is.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jon Dukeman 
wrote:

> No cork is mid bar. I put road bike tape under cloth tape for extra
> padding then clear shellac over cloth tape and twine..
> About 3 coats. Hope that helps
> Jon
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 9:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
 Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?

 On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:

> Excellent!
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
>> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>>> on
>>> top of it?
>>>
>>> René
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Kim.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM kim young  wrote:

> I’ve used these. They save my wrists on long rides.
> Not sure how much cork they have in them, because they are kind of
> rubbery-but they don’t dry out.
>
> Asti Natural cork foam grips
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CX4Z4X1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.EFaFbFA96DK1
>
> kim in az
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
 Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?

 On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:

> Excellent!
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
>> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>>> on
>>> top of it?
>>>
>>> René
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Jon Dukeman]

No cork is mid bar. I put road bike tape under cloth tape for extra padding
then clear shellac over cloth tape and twine..
About 3 coats. Hope that helps
Jon

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 9:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:

>
> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:
>>>
 Excellent!

 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>> on
>> top of it?
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[kim young]

I’ve used these. They save my wrists on long rides.
Not sure how much cork they have in them, because they are kind of
rubbery-but they don’t dry out.

Asti Natural cork foam grips

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CX4Z4X1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.EFaFbFA96DK1

kim in az

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:

>
> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:
>>>
 Excellent!

 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>> on
>> top of it?
>>
>> René
>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Joel Stern]

Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
wrote:

> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
> Jon
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?
>>
>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent!
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
 The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.


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>
> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish on
> top of it?
>
> René
>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Joel Stern]

Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars? 

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:

> Excellent!
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.  
>> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I don't 
>>> like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish on top of 
>>> it?
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Excellent!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>
>
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>>
>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I don't
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ron Mc]

absolutely friend - it will soak right through.  
The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.  

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I don't
like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish on top of
it?

René

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> I have spar varnish (gloss) on my cork grips. One ride I forgot my gloves
> and thought my hands would be slipping off the grips when my hands  started
> sweating.
> No so... Gripped like glue.
>
>
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>> So did I when I started it! Who knew?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Agreed. I've done a few bikes worth. 
Did shellac on grips once, now use spar varnish (polyurethane). 

Marc
Calgary, Alberta

> On May 10, 2017, at 5:25 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
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> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate - 
> 6-7 thin coats
> 
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> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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I have spar varnish (gloss) on my cork grips. One ride I forgot my gloves
and thought my hands would be slipping off the grips when my hands  started
sweating.
No so... Gripped like glue.


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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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So did I when I started it! Who knew?

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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I thought this thread was almost silly when it first started, but I am learning 
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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yes, I use a lot of rod bond products - if you need a flexible epoxy 
(plugging holes in plastic fenders) theirs is definitely the best.  
Fly rod builders use U40 to seal their cork.  
While I knew of the product, I am still happy with spar varnish results on 
two bikes with cork grips.  
Is it worth a try if you don't want to mess use either varnish or shellac - 
definitely.  

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> For the record my untreated ones are dirty but surprisingly doesn't bug me 
> being so.
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 3:41:50 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
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>> Huhlearn something new every day. 
>>
>> http://www.mudhole.com/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz-  
>> 
>>
>> Thanks, gentlemen...probably Ron Mc who's a keen fisherman probably 
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>> ... 
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Well, I decided to test the waters for the group and just placed an order
for the U-40. It would be great if it preserved the feel of the cork but
made it very easy to clean. We'll soon find out.

René

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:40 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Good thing your tandem has four grips.  You could pick another coating
> option for that one and do some real science.
>
>
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>> Yes, seriously considering all three now. Hm...
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Good thing your tandem has four grips.  You could pick another coating 
option for that one and do some real science.  

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Yes, seriously considering all three now. Hm...

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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Rene, 
  That may be the best option yet. 
Who knew. 

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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For the record my untreated ones are dirty but surprisingly doesn't bug me 
being so.

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 3:41:50 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
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> Huhlearn something new every day. 
>
> http://www.mudhole.com/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz-  
> 
>
> Thanks, gentlemen...probably Ron Mc who's a keen fisherman probably  knows 
> about this stuff...
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I found a large number of threads regarding using a product 
>> called U40 (I think) to seal and restore cork in fishing rods and 
>> Birkenstock sandals. 
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>>> I did it for vanity Ryan.
>>> I've used the cork grips in their raw state and they end up looking 
>>> dirty.
>>>
>>> They probably function better with no coating since the cork maintains 
>>> it's nice dry texture.
>>>
>>> I'm sure very few, if any, fishermen shellacked the cork handles on 
>>> their fishing rods.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ryan Fleming]

Huhlearn something new every day. 

http://www.mudhole.com/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz-  


Thanks, gentlemen...probably Ron Mc who's a keen fisherman probably  knows 
about this stuff...

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> Actually, I found a large number of threads regarding using a product 
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> Birkenstock sandals. 
>
> René 
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM Ray Varella  > wrote:
>
>> I did it for vanity Ryan.
>> I've used the cork grips in their raw state and they end up looking dirty.
>>
>> They probably function better with no coating since the cork maintains 
>> it's nice dry texture.
>>
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>> fishing rods.
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Actually, I found a large number of threads regarding using a product
called U40 (I think) to seal and restore cork in fishing rods and
Birkenstock sandals.

René

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>
> They probably function better with no coating since the cork maintains
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ray Varella]

I did it for vanity Ryan. 
I've used the cork grips in their raw state and they end up looking dirty. 

They probably function better with no coating since the cork maintains it's 
nice dry texture. 

I'm sure very few, if any, fishermen shellacked the cork handles on their 
fishing rods. 

Ray
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ryan Fleming]

Mine aren't shellaced  or varnished

I suppose varnish or shellac might add a layer of protection..not a bad 
thing, but do people do this because it looks neat or do they do it because 
it's necessary?

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ron! I'm now leaning to try it. We'll see.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 3:43 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> no Rene, Spar varnish won't get soft and run and it won't be any slicker
> than shellac - but it will be more flexible and will never peel off
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 4:49:26 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?
>>
>> Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or running
>> off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or rain (no
>> plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac may get on
>> the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses and its what
>> they use again and again...
>>
>> Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the
>> captain grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.
>>
>> Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest
>> using the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.
>>> To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the
>>> top.
>>> But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think
>>> about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.
>>> It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are
>>> absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed
>>> layers.
>>> If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it
>>> becomes a very viscous oil.
>>>
>>> Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better
 and what the flexibility you describe means?

 René

>>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
 row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I agree with RonMc..
> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never
>> exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I leave mine in the raw.  Hey Rene did you get my PM?

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ron Mc]

no Rene, Spar varnish won't get soft and run and it won't be any slicker 
than shellac - but it will be more flexible and will never peel off

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 4:49:26 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?
>
> Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or running 
> off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or rain (no 
> plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac may get on 
> the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses and its what 
> they use again and again...
>
> Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the captain 
> grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.
>
> Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest using 
> the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?
>
> René
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.  
>> To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the 
>> top.  
>> But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think 
>> about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.  
>> It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are 
>> absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed 
>> layers.  
>> If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it 
>> becomes a very viscous oil.  
>>
>> Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better 
>>> and what the flexibility you describe means?
>>>
>>> René 
>>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> I agree with RonMc..
 Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5 
 coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
 Jon




 On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never 
> exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats
>
>
> 
>
> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Steve Palincsar]

 Spar varnish

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*Spar varnish* is a wood finishing 
 varnish 
.


Spar varnish was originally developed for coating the spars 
 of sailing ships 
. These formed part of the 
masts  and rigging 
, so suffered a hard life in 
service. They were flexed by the wind loads 
 they supported, attacked by 
sea and bad weather, and also suffered from UV degradation 
 from long-term exposure 
to sunlight .


The most important condition for such varnishes to resist was the 
mechanical flexing. This required a varnish that was flexible and 
elastic . Without elasticity, 
the varnish would soon crack, allowing water to penetrate to the wood 
beneath. At the time, varnish production was rudimentary and had only 
simple materials with which to work. It pre-dated the development of 
modern polymer chemistry 
. Spar varnish was a 
'short oil' varnish, where a small proportion of a finishing oil 
, universally boiled 
linseed oil , was 
added to a majority proportion of varnish (see Danish oil 
 for a 'long oil' finish).^[1] 
 
This gave flexibility,^[2] 
 even though its 
weather resistance was still poor and relatively frequent re-coating was 
required.


In modern times, 'spar varnish' has become a genericised term for any 
outdoor varnish. Owing to modern varnish materials, their weather 
resistance is likely to be good, but the original requirement for 
flexibility has largely been forgotten.



On 05/10/2017 05:49 PM, René Sterental wrote:

Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?

Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or 
running off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or 
rain (no plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac 
may get on the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses 
and its what they use again and again...


Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the 
captain grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.


Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest 
using the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?


René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc > wrote:


spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to
oxygen.  To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen
to blow over the top.
But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and
think about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.
It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats
are absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over
the absorbed layers.
If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard
shell, it becomes a very viscous oil.

Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:

Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why
it's better and what the flexibility you describe means?

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado
 wrote:

I agree with RonMc..
Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is
clear,gloss, 5 coats, I didn't sand in between
coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
Jon
|

|



On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and
will never exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats




Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats





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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Hmmm... now in a conundrum... which should I use?

Don't like the idea of the varnish getting slick (and sticky or running
off?) with soggy leather gloves as when riding in the heat or rain (no
plans for that now), wondering how sticky or slippery shellac may get on
the same conditions, but then again, RBW has countless uses and its what
they use again and again...

Perhaps it's just "safer" to go with shellac, especially since the captain
grips will get twined to hold the cable for the barend shifters.

Any last minute strong recommendations? Those like RonMc who suggest using
the varnish, did you first use shellac and found it lacking?

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.
> To keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the
> top.
> But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think
> about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.
> It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are
> absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed
> layers.
> If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it
> becomes a very viscous oil.
>
> Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better
>> and what the flexibility you describe means?
>>
>> René
>>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>> row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> I agree with RonMc..
>>> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
>>> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never
 exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats


 

 Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats



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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ron Mc]

spar varnish is harder to keep, because it cures by exposure to oxygen.  To 
keep it around you need canned inert gas like Bloxygen to blow over the 
top.  
But it is flexible.  It's what they coat bamboo fly rods with, and think 
about how a bamboo fly rod flexes.  
It's like an oil, very low viscosity, and the first 4 or so coats are 
absorbed by the cork.  You want a couple of bright coats over the absorbed 
layers.  
If you squeeze the cork, it doesn't separate - it's not a hard shell, it 
becomes a very viscous oil.  

Coated cork will become slick if you're wearing soggy leather gloves.  

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:17:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better and 
> what the flexibility you describe means?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I agree with RonMc..
>> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5 
>> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never 
>>> exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Philip Kim]

roberta see post above. i would just reapply shellac, it's much easier. 

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:38:58 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> If grips were already shellacked (and now needs new layer), can one apply 
> varnish over it, or best to stick with shellac? 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate 
>> - 6-7 thin coats
>>
>>
>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Philip Kim]

i've used varnish for finishing decks and used shellac for finishing 
cabinets. i've never used varnish on cork, always used shellac. everything 
of cork i've shellacked, have always lived inside, including my bike.

varnish cures as it dries. when you apply a new layer of varnish, it will 
not bind to the underlying layer of varnish. it has much better sunlight 
and water protection. a lot of modern varnishes also include polyurethane, 
linseed oil, and mineral spirits. because of the oils, it takes some time 
to dry before putting on a second coat.

for shellac, new layers will bind with the underlying layer of shellac. 
easier to apply in thin coats. if a layer wears down, you can easily apply 
a new coat and it will look uniform. its also nontoxic. i would bet that 
riv uses shellac for those reasons.

varnish is not really necessary as your bike won't live outside 24/7.


On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:17:11 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better and 
> what the flexibility you describe means?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I agree with RonMc..
>> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5 
>> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never 
>>> exfoliate - 6-7 thin coats
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[REC]

If grips were already shellacked (and now needs new layer), can one apply 
varnish over it, or best to stick with shellac? 

Roberta

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate 
> - 6-7 thin coats
>
>
> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Wow, I'd never heard of it. Can you explain a bit more why it's better and
what the flexibility you describe means?

René

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:31 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with RonMc..
> Spar varnish is better than shellac on cork. This is clear,gloss, 5
> coats, I didn't sand in between coats.Available in semigloss and amber.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:25:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate
>> - 6-7 thin coats
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Philip Kim]

I used about 4 or 5 coats, the more coats the darker it gets

On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 9:22:32 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Many thanks for the quick replies!
>
> I think I'll go with amber, as Philip's photo shows. I agree that the 
> Selects will darken fairly quickly, and will follow the (unknown to me) 
> advice of the steel wool between coats.
>
> René 
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:59 PM drew  
> wrote:
>
>> I think it depends on the age of the select. Those get dark pretty quick. 
>> I like clear on cork, but it will be less matchy to a honey colored brooks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ron Mc]

Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate - 
6-7 thin coats



Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats



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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Ray Varella]

Just another data point. 
I have several sets of those grips. Two sets were done with amber and one with 
clear. 
I can't see a bit of difference between them. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[René Sterental]

Many thanks for the quick replies!

I think I'll go with amber, as Philip's photo shows. I agree that the
Selects will darken fairly quickly, and will follow the (unknown to me)
advice of the steel wool between coats.

René

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:59 PM drew  wrote:

> I think it depends on the age of the select. Those get dark pretty quick.
> I like clear on cork, but it will be less matchy to a honey colored brooks.
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