Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

[Will M]

Patrick, apologies -- I don't know how I managed to reply to your "rain" 
thread under this discombobulated topic heading.

Points about ABQ summers well taken.  Old cotton shirts here too!  No 
experience with chain cases personally, but I know a couple of guys here in 
NYC who had the Breezer transportation bikes from 15-20 years ago with 
chain cases: Works great with singlespeeds and internally-geared hubs.  But 
I don't see chain cases anymore, now that belt drive is becoming more 
common. I'm still waiting to see my first Quickbeam/SimpleOne with a belt 
drive.  :)

Will



On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:31:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Will, good on ya for using the bike year 'round in a NE climate. 
> Also interesting to hear more of what you and others use and prefer to 
> suffer. I expect that full GoreTex would be too hot (again, most of our 
> rain is summer rain); again, I used the Carradice Ducksback cape, wonderful 
> for coverage and easy on/off, for 1 summer's monsoon-worth of commuting, 
> and while it was very protective against the rain -- and entertaining; I'd 
> enjoy watching petroleum leachings making rainbow swirls on the puddle 
> forming between my arms; dump every 1/4 mile, but it would fill up again 
> very quickly. But it was thick waxed cotton apt for 60*F English summers, 
> not 85*F in the rain ABQ summers. The cheap, light nylon Campmore suitably 
> modified is almost as protective and far cooler, and it has a hood.
>
> Fortunately for us, cold weather generally means dry weather, and I've 
> long ago worked out the best combinations for various cold temps for 
> various riding uses; I have "dressy" gear for church, say, and 
> "everyday" gear for shopping and ordinary "riding around." All involve 
> layers of wool with synthetic windbreak panels of one sort or another, in 
> various permutations. And +1,000 for pit zips. I had them added to one of 
> my winter over-shells. OTOH, the 2 very, very nice '80s wool+nylon+panels 
> Italian cycling jackets someone very, very kindly gave me are even better 
> for warmth with ventilation, given suitably cold weather -- they are warm! 
> But one doesn't overheat in them.
>
> Back to warm weather: I've described in another thread the cheap ($14.99 
> Kohl's sale ~2015; but v well made) synthetic "quik-dri" ss button placket 
> shirts I've used for more dressy hot weather riding. These have a very nice 
> flapped ventilator mesh in back, so that air entering via unbuttoned collar 
> and up short sleeves exits in back to remove moisture and heat; they work 
> very well. Only, being synthetic, they will stink after a couple of hours. 
> I hope to have these copied in cotton using some high-quality all-cotton 
> dress shirts from Goodwill. We'll see.
>
> Does anyone use a full chaincase for foul-weather riding? I'd bet that 
> such a thing, oil bath or not, would let chains live a normal life, no?
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 7:34 AM Will Millhiser  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I live car-free, bike commuting year-round in a northeastern 
>> city (rain, snow, or shine) and find that waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex 
>> backpacker’s rain gear is about as good as it gets for bike commuting when 
>> you need your work/church clothes to stay dry in a cloudburst. 
>>
>> I use a Goretex climber’s parka/shell with an adjustable hood 
>> specifically articulated for climbing helmets; hood fits over the bike 
>> helmet without impeding peripheral vision (brilliant!), keeping neck and 
>> collar dry.  Pit zips for the hottest rainy days.  
>>
>> 8” LL Bean duck boots or Bogs rain boots on the feet; nothing else keeps 
>> the socks dry.  Sometimes I just go with Tevas — the warm water splashing 
>> the feet feels great (if you can ignore what might be in that water). 
>> Platform pedals, naturally.  
>>
>> Fenders!  SKS longboards with mudflaps over Jack Brown tires.  And 
>> dynamo-hub-driven daytime running lights for safety.  
>>
>> Hands are like feet. Either let 'em get wet... or a pair of Goretex 
>> gauntlet mountaineering mittens (the shells only).  
>>
>> The weak link is the wire connector to the Shimano dynohub.  Water 
>> eventually penetrates no matter what I try. Lights out.
>>
>> To keep the rain pants off the chain, I have a crankset with an outer 
>> plate that is greater diameter than the big ring (what do you call this 
>> design?).  I thought some of the Quickbeams (and the Sugino cranks) came 
>> this way, but can't find any examples.  Even if pants brush the crank, they 
>> typically don't catch.  I go through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious 
>> monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all 
>> the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the 
>> culprit. 
>>
>> One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.  
>> They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face 
>> shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the 

Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Will, good on ya for using the bike year 'round in a NE climate.
Also interesting to hear more of what you and others use and prefer to
suffer. I expect that full GoreTex would be too hot (again, most of our
rain is summer rain); again, I used the Carradice Ducksback cape, wonderful
for coverage and easy on/off, for 1 summer's monsoon-worth of commuting,
and while it was very protective against the rain -- and entertaining; I'd
enjoy watching petroleum leachings making rainbow swirls on the puddle
forming between my arms; dump every 1/4 mile, but it would fill up again
very quickly. But it was thick waxed cotton apt for 60*F English summers,
not 85*F in the rain ABQ summers. The cheap, light nylon Campmore suitably
modified is almost as protective and far cooler, and it has a hood.

Fortunately for us, cold weather generally means dry weather, and I've long
ago worked out the best combinations for various cold temps for various
riding uses; I have "dressy" gear for church, say, and
"everyday" gear for shopping and ordinary "riding around." All involve
layers of wool with synthetic windbreak panels of one sort or another, in
various permutations. And +1,000 for pit zips. I had them added to one of
my winter over-shells. OTOH, the 2 very, very nice '80s wool+nylon+panels
Italian cycling jackets someone very, very kindly gave me are even better
for warmth with ventilation, given suitably cold weather -- they are warm!
But one doesn't overheat in them.

Back to warm weather: I've described in another thread the cheap ($14.99
Kohl's sale ~2015; but v well made) synthetic "quik-dri" ss button placket
shirts I've used for more dressy hot weather riding. These have a very nice
flapped ventilator mesh in back, so that air entering via unbuttoned collar
and up short sleeves exits in back to remove moisture and heat; they work
very well. Only, being synthetic, they will stink after a couple of hours.
I hope to have these copied in cotton using some high-quality all-cotton
dress shirts from Goodwill. We'll see.

Does anyone use a full chaincase for foul-weather riding? I'd bet that such
a thing, oil bath or not, would let chains live a normal life, no?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 7:34 AM Will Millhiser  wrote:

> Patrick, I live car-free, bike commuting year-round in a northeastern city
> (rain, snow, or shine) and find that waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex
> backpacker’s rain gear is about as good as it gets for bike commuting when
> you need your work/church clothes to stay dry in a cloudburst.
>
> I use a Goretex climber’s parka/shell with an adjustable hood specifically
> articulated for climbing helmets; hood fits over the bike helmet without
> impeding peripheral vision (brilliant!), keeping neck and collar dry.  Pit
> zips for the hottest rainy days.
>
> 8” LL Bean duck boots or Bogs rain boots on the feet; nothing else keeps
> the socks dry.  Sometimes I just go with Tevas — the warm water splashing
> the feet feels great (if you can ignore what might be in that water).
> Platform pedals, naturally.
>
> Fenders!  SKS longboards with mudflaps over Jack Brown tires.  And
> dynamo-hub-driven daytime running lights for safety.
>
> Hands are like feet. Either let 'em get wet... or a pair of Goretex
> gauntlet mountaineering mittens (the shells only).
>
> The weak link is the wire connector to the Shimano dynohub.  Water
> eventually penetrates no matter what I try. Lights out.
>
> To keep the rain pants off the chain, I have a crankset with an outer
> plate that is greater diameter than the big ring (what do you call this
> design?).  I thought some of the Quickbeams (and the Sugino cranks) came
> this way, but can't find any examples.  Even if pants brush the crank, they
> typically don't catch.  I go through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious
> monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all
> the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the
> culprit.
>
> One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.
> They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face
> shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the handlebars.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Will M
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:49 AM  wrote:
>
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

[Will Millhiser]

Patrick, I live car-free, bike commuting year-round in a northeastern city
(rain, snow, or shine) and find that waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex
backpacker’s rain gear is about as good as it gets for bike commuting when
you need your work/church clothes to stay dry in a cloudburst.

I use a Goretex climber’s parka/shell with an adjustable hood specifically
articulated for climbing helmets; hood fits over the bike helmet without
impeding peripheral vision (brilliant!), keeping neck and collar dry.  Pit
zips for the hottest rainy days.

8” LL Bean duck boots or Bogs rain boots on the feet; nothing else keeps
the socks dry.  Sometimes I just go with Tevas — the warm water splashing
the feet feels great (if you can ignore what might be in that water).
Platform pedals, naturally.

Fenders!  SKS longboards with mudflaps over Jack Brown tires.  And
dynamo-hub-driven daytime running lights for safety.

Hands are like feet. Either let 'em get wet... or a pair of Goretex
gauntlet mountaineering mittens (the shells only).

The weak link is the wire connector to the Shimano dynohub.  Water
eventually penetrates no matter what I try. Lights out.

To keep the rain pants off the chain, I have a crankset with an outer plate
that is greater diameter than the big ring (what do you call this
design?).  I thought some of the Quickbeams (and the Sugino cranks) came
this way, but can't find any examples.  Even if pants brush the crank, they
typically don't catch.  I go through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious
monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all
the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the
culprit.

One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.
They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face
shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the handlebars.

Hope this helps.

Will M

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> Patrick Moore : Jun 27 01:35PM -0600
>
> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo than
> it is in real life.
>
> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
> sizes.
>
> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with side
> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>
> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over those,
> with room to expose the 2 Seculites attached to seatstay rack bosses.
>
> Please reply offlist to bertin753 [at] gmail.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
> PS: A TA 170 mm Pro 5 Vis crankset (actually, arms, single very used 46 t
> ring + ss hardware) in otherwise v good condition may soon be advertised
> for sale; watch this space.
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> Patrick Moore : Jun 28 02:45AM -0600
>
> I forgot to include the 2 bag-mount frames that allow you to use the SQR
> release with Nelson or Camper or other similar saddlebags. Prices still
> $150 shipped CONUS.
>
> One of these frames has been bent about to get it to work in various odd
> situations, and the resulting marks covered with tape; it still works fine.
> The other frame is as new.
>
> ---
>
> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo than
> it is in real life.
>
> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
> sizes.
>
> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with side
> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>
> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over those,
> with room to expose the 2