Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Patrick Moore]

We don't disagree; it's just that you said, "It felt so stable on the 42s
and the level of vibration goes down tremendously.* Because you don't feel
the road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are
really going much faster than you might think."*. All I was saying is that
this feeling of less vibration, or more smoothness, doesn't always, in
general, to everyone, equate to a feeling of going slower. Sometimes it
equates to a feeling of going faster. I was mentally referring to Jan's
untested, or not generally tested, hypothesis in the old BQ, which I've
heard others accept without, it seems to me, any more proof than his.

Also, it's not so much 650B as such that you are considering since there's
no magic with that size; theoretically you could have skinny, hard,
vibrating 650B wheels. What I take it you mean is that, generally, a
fatter, softer, more supple tire goes faster in reality, or can go faster,
while not having the sensorial indications of speed that you felt with your
Paselas.

(BTW, I'm surprised the Paselas* felt* fast, or at least faster. I've
ridden Paselas for thousands of miles -- 559 X 32, 622 X 37/8s, 27 inchers)
and they have always felt rather slow to me, tho' the 559s weren't bad;
they just didn't feel "fast" the way the Pro Race 4s and even more the Elk
Passes did.)

I used to own a Citroen Acadiane, with 602 cc flat twin air cooled engine
that had to work real hard to go 65 mph (I got it up to 75 once with a tail
wind). The 50-55 mph cruising speed didn't necessarily feel fast, but it
sure felt noisy! You knew when you were cruising. OTOH, I once rented a
modern Camry with 8 speed or whatever auto transmission. It got up to "60"
on the dial so fast that at first I wondered if the speedometer was
calibrated in kilometers.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I don't know Patrick.  What you seem to be saying is that you don't equate
> vibrations with speed, and that's great, but I am not sure you understand
> what I am trying to convey:
>
> If you ride your bike for hundreds of miles with a setup, you get used to
> the hum of the road the vibrations that come off the ground--the general
> feel of the bike. Once you convert the bike to 650b, the bike is humming
> very silently compared to what you are used to.  The level of hum and
> vibration you are now getting is equivalent to what you used to get at a
> much lower speed, but you are going much faster (you think you are going
> slower based upon the ride experience, but in reality you are going
> quickly).  My perceptions on the bike need to recalibrate.
>
> Another example is I regularly drove a 4 cylinder 4 speed car and one day
> I drove a V-8 6-speed sports car.  When I go 70 mph in my 4-cylinder, the
> car is humming loudly and my manual steering is feeling vibrations off the
> road.  I drove the sports car at 70 miles an hour, but there was no
> vibration, no hum of the engine and I thought I was going 35 miles an
> hour--literally--when in fact I was going 70 mph.  I think that going from
> 32 mm 700c Paselas to 42 mm Grand Bois Hetre tires was a similar wow
> experience for me--mainly because it was coming from the same ride I was
> intimately familiar with except for the change in brakes and wheels/tires.
> I can understand that if you drive a V-8 sports car all the time, then you
> won't equate vibration with speed--you don't need recalibration, but if you
> are used to the 4-cylinder manual, then get in a sports car, then some
> recalibration may be necessary.
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I don't know Patrick.  What you seem to be saying is that you don't equate
vibrations with speed, and that's great, but I am not sure you understand
what I am trying to convey:

If you ride your bike for hundreds of miles with a setup, you get used to
the hum of the road the vibrations that come off the ground--the general
feel of the bike. Once you convert the bike to 650b, the bike is humming
very silently compared to what you are used to.  The level of hum and
vibration you are now getting is equivalent to what you used to get at a
much lower speed, but you are going much faster (you think you are going
slower based upon the ride experience, but in reality you are going
quickly).  My perceptions on the bike need to recalibrate.

Another example is I regularly drove a 4 cylinder 4 speed car and one day I
drove a V-8 6-speed sports car.  When I go 70 mph in my 4-cylinder, the car
is humming loudly and my manual steering is feeling vibrations off the
road.  I drove the sports car at 70 miles an hour, but there was no
vibration, no hum of the engine and I thought I was going 35 miles an
hour--literally--when in fact I was going 70 mph.  I think that going from
32 mm 700c Paselas to 42 mm Grand Bois Hetre tires was a similar wow
experience for me--mainly because it was coming from the same ride I was
intimately familiar with except for the change in brakes and wheels/tires.
I can understand that if you drive a V-8 sports car all the time, then you
won't equate vibration with speed--you don't need recalibration, but if you
are used to the 4-cylinder manual, then get in a sports car, then some
recalibration may be necessary.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Patrick Moore]

My point is that vibration has nothing to do with the sensation of speed,
for me and for many others. Those tires feel fast to me, be they fat or
thin, which appear to let me maintain a given cadence in given conditions
in a given gear; greater plushness adds to the feeling of speed.

I go back and forth between plush 29 mm tires and plush 51 mm tires all the
time (the EPs and the F Freds.)

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I'm talking about the eye-opening experience of taking a good 700c x 32 mm
> setup and converting that same ride/frame into a 650b x 42 mm setup.  It's
> taking a very familiar ride and giving it a totally new experience.  If
> you've ridden wide supple tires like this before, then perhaps you wouldn't
> blink.
>
> Toshi
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Many riders I know, myself among them, don't associate vibration with
>> speed; in fact, I assocate vibration with slowness and plushness with speed
>> -- Elk Passes at 55 versus Pro Race 4s at 90. I think this idea originated
>> in a guess by Jan Heine back when he was first promoting the speed benefits
>> of wider, but very supple, tires.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> [...] Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you
>>> are going slowly, [...]
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm talking about the eye-opening experience of taking a good 700c x 32 mm
setup and converting that same ride/frame into a 650b x 42 mm setup.  It's
taking a very familiar ride and giving it a totally new experience.  If
you've ridden wide supple tires like this before, then perhaps you wouldn't
blink.

Toshi

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Many riders I know, myself among them, don't associate vibration with
> speed; in fact, I assocate vibration with slowness and plushness with speed
> -- Elk Passes at 55 versus Pro Race 4s at 90. I think this idea originated
> in a guess by Jan Heine back when he was first promoting the speed benefits
> of wider, but very supple, tires.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> [...] Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you
>> are going slowly, [...]
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Many riders I know, myself among them, don't associate vibration with
speed; in fact, I assocate vibration with slowness and plushness with speed
-- Elk Passes at 55 versus Pro Race 4s at 90. I think this idea originated
in a guess by Jan Heine back when he was first promoting the speed benefits
of wider, but very supple, tires.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> [...] Because you don't feel the road vibrations as much you think you are
> going slowly, [...]
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

The frame I had is a 54 cm (C-T) frame.  It felt so stable on the 42s and
the level of vibration goes down tremendously.  Because you don't feel the
road vibrations as much you think you are going slowly, but you are really
going much faster than you might think.

Toshi


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Wow Toshi, that came out looking great. Bet it rides like a dream on those
> 42s.
>
> What size frame is yours?
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 6:39:37 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion.  I have some pictures
>> showing my blue ram with Synergy rims and Grand Bois Hetre tires (42 mm
>> 650b).
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/sets/721576319268
>> 15235/with/8154499211/
>>
>> Best,
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That
>>> you could run 42mm tires is enlightening!
>>>
>>> Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bill in Roswell GA
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and
 that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with
 fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my
 Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished
 painting any day now...

 Enjoy your rides!
 Toshi in Oakland, CA


 On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA <
 roadsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up 
> for
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps?
> Anyways, it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage 
> (other
> Bills will approve, I'm sure).
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the
> years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers,
> Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176
> (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der,
> Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. 
> Pedals
> are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple
> crankset.
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as
> the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for 
> a
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is 
> a
> minor thing for a rainy winter day.
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel.
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires.
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will
> at Riv said that was the max for sure).
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Wow Toshi, that came out looking great. Bet it rides like a dream on those 
42s. 

What size frame is yours? 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 6:39:37 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion.  I have some pictures 
> showing my blue ram with Synergy rims and Grand Bois Hetre tires (42 mm 
> 650b).  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/sets/72157631926815235/with/8154499211/
>
> Best,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  > wrote:
>
>> Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That 
>> you could run 42mm tires is enlightening! 
>>
>> Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill in Roswell GA
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and 
>>> that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with 
>>> fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my 
>>> Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished 
>>> painting any day now...
>>>
>>> Enjoy your rides!
>>> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA >> > wrote:
>>>
 Bobs and Rivs,

 A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
 pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
 waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up 
 for 
 sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
 custom regularly!

 Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? 
 Anyways, it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage 
 (other 
 Bills will approve, I'm sure). 

 Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the 
 years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, 
 Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 
 (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, 
 Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. 
 Pedals 
 are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple 
 crankset. 

 First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as 
 the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for 
 a 
 quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
 which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
 Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is 
 a 
 minor thing for a rainy winter day. 

 The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
 Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
 Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
 get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
 at Riv said that was the max for sure). 

 Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
 where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
 road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
 tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
 TCO!

 Cheers,
 Bill in Roswell, GA

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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion.  I have some pictures
showing my blue ram with Synergy rims and Grand Bois Hetre tires (42 mm
650b).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/sets/72157631926815235/with/8154499211/

Best,
Toshi


On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That you
> could run 42mm tires is enlightening!
>
> Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell GA
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and
>> that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with
>> fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my
>> Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished
>> painting any day now...
>>
>> Enjoy your rides!
>> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bobs and Rivs,
>>>
>>> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic
>>> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years
>>> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for
>>> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv
>>> custom regularly!
>>>
>>> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps?
>>> Anyways, it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other
>>> Bills will approve, I'm sure).
>>>
>>> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the
>>> years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers,
>>> Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176
>>> (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der,
>>> Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals
>>> are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple
>>> crankset.
>>>
>>> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as
>>> the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a
>>> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag
>>> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add
>>> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a
>>> minor thing for a rainy winter day.
>>>
>>> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel.
>>> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires.
>>> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll
>>> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will
>>> at Riv said that was the max for sure).
>>>
>>> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours
>>> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my
>>> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head
>>> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without
>>> TCO!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bill in Roswell, GA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

If I rode in Keens the TCO would prob go away! But cleated cycling shoes 
tend to have traditional toe box. No worries, the TCO is worse on my other 
bikes!

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Size 44 shoes.
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but 
>> FWIW: I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear 
>> actually caused my feet to slip off the front wheel more easily than 
>> without the fender; in other words, the additional overlap didn't make the 
>> TCO effectively worse. 35mm smooth VOs over 29 mm tires on that '73 Grand 
>> Record.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thanks, Patrick. The TCO isn't bad and only realized in parking lot turns. 
I hear what you say about fenders allowing the tip of the show to slide 
instead of catching tire. I have an old Bridgestone setup like that and 
your comment jogged my memory!

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 12:35:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Bill: Contratulations, and please post the statutory photos. 
>
> I used Ultegra/Open Pro/29 mm Parigi Roubaixs on my Ram and it was indeed 
> a fun ride.
>
> Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but FWIW: 
> I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear 
> actually caused my feet to slip off the front wheel more easily than 
> without the fender; in other words, the additional overlap didn't make the 
> TCO effectively worse. 35mm smooth VOs over 29 mm tires on that '73 Grand 
> Record.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  > wrote:
>
>> Bobs and Rivs,
>>
>> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
>> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
>> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
>> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
>> custom regularly!
>>
>> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
>> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
>> will approve, I'm sure). 
>>
>> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the 
>> years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, 
>> Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 
>> (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, 
>> Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals 
>> are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple 
>> crankset. 
>>
>> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as 
>> the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
>> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
>> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
>> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
>> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>>
>> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
>> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
>> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
>> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
>> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>>
>> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
>> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
>> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
>> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
>> TCO!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill in Roswell, GA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That you 
could run 42mm tires is enlightening! 

Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride!

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell GA

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and 
> that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with 
> fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my 
> Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished 
> painting any day now...
>
> Enjoy your rides!
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  > wrote:
>
>> Bobs and Rivs,
>>
>> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
>> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
>> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
>> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
>> custom regularly!
>>
>> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
>> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
>> will approve, I'm sure). 
>>
>> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the 
>> years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, 
>> Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 
>> (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, 
>> Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals 
>> are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple 
>> crankset. 
>>
>> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as 
>> the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
>> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
>> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
>> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
>> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>>
>> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
>> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
>> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
>> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
>> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>>
>> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
>> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
>> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
>> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
>> TCO!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill in Roswell, GA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Size 44 shoes.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but FWIW:
> I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear
> actually caused my feet to slip off the front wheel more easily than
> without the fender; in other words, the additional overlap didn't make the
> TCO effectively worse. 35mm smooth VOs over 29 mm tires on that '73 Grand
> Record.
>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Bill: Contratulations, and please post the statutory photos.

I used Ultegra/Open Pro/29 mm Parigi Roubaixs on my Ram and it was indeed a
fun ride.

Regarding fenders and TCO: YMMV, and I am not recommending this, but FWIW:
I found that narrow aluminum fenders on a short f-c urban fixed gear
actually caused my feet to slip off the front wheel more easily than
without the fender; in other words, the additional overlap didn't make the
TCO effectively worse. 35mm smooth VOs over 29 mm tires on that '73 Grand
Record.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways,
> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills
> will approve, I'm sure).
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the years:
> 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, Suntour
> Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 (think Noodle
> was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, Technomic stem.
> Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals are clones of
> Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple crankset.
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as the
> Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a
> minor thing for a rainy winter day.
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel.
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires.
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will
> at Riv said that was the max for sure).
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Bill,

Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and that
almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with
fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my
Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished
painting any day now...

Enjoy your rides!
Toshi in Oakland, CA


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways,
> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills
> will approve, I'm sure).
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the years:
> 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, Suntour
> Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 (think Noodle
> was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, Technomic stem.
> Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals are clones of
> Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple crankset.
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as the
> Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a
> minor thing for a rainy winter day.
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel.
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires.
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will
> at Riv said that was the max for sure).
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
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