Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/58sYCgZdWJsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Continued. The chainstays are OX PLAT, with the odd wall thickness of 0.76mm. Normal would be 0.7 to 0.9, with 0.8 being really common, but these are 0.76. Odd, but fine. They’re good chainstays. The seat stays are Reynolds double-tapered HT CrMo (725). TruTemp doesn’t make double-tapered seat stays, and the Hilsen doesn’t NEED them, but I like them and the Hilsen is our pride and joy, so we get them from Reynolds. The fork blades are Reynolds, too. We like this blade better than any other. It’s not heat-treated. I don’t like heat-treated fork blades, because I think in a front-end crash, the forks should bend before the downtube does. Sometimes both go—-you never can tell—but when you’ve got an OX Plat down tube, a non-heat treated fork makes sense. All of our lugs and bb shells and fork crowns and most of our dropouts are our own, meaning made just for us and of our design. They are as good as lugs can be, I think, but they can’t make a badly designed or poorly brazed frame good. Since our frames are well-designed (my opinion) and brazed, it makes sense to use really find fittings, and that’s why we do it. On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:29:55 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oWllYaxmZgEJ. To
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
FWIW: While chatting w/ Riv folks awaiting my Bomba's arrival, they told me a lot about how its built. The diagonal mid-tube is the same as the top tube; and the seat tube is also the same tubing, which gets sized (why it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost); those and the downtube are all OX PLAT. Waterford builds the frames, the lugs/tubes assembly, but then Mark N. adds on the curva-stays that run from the diagonal at the middle of the seat tube to the stays (to a seat stay on one side, the other side to a chainstay). Took awhile for the frame to get built, as they had a new lug coming for doing the diagonal; but the extra time meant the new wider fork-crown arrived, too; which is why the NeoMoto 2.3's fit with lots of leftover clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/90_hsAaSSBgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
I meant to send this to the list. Saluki is not identical, iirc, but is similar. Maybe someone from RBW can chime in on that. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.comwrote: Down tube: Tohouku-Miyata Heat Treated double butted 31.8 .8/.5/.8 through 66CM 68 has .9/.6/.9 Top Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 28.6 .8/.5/.8 double butted Seat Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 28.6 1.0/.6 butted Head Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 31.8 .9 Seat Stays: Tohouku-Miyata 16 x .7 double tapered Chain Stays Tohouku-Miyata Heat Treated .8 Fork Blades Tohouku-Miyata 1.0 From the Rivendell web site 4/26/2007. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to find them but couldn't. If you have any info that would be great. If it matters it's a green 64cm. - Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:43:41 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_**oH0RNXzUJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Not all Bombas take a 26.8. Mine (an early Diagaversion) uses 27.2, which thankfully allowed the use of the Nitto lugged set-back post. Could very well be that all current and future Bombas will be like yours Leslie. I even seem to recall that the 26.8 post was the original plan. (I even had a NOS XC-Pro in that size waiting...which I sold when I received the frame.) Maybe mine was a one-off. Marty On Friday, April 27, 2012 7:14:27 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: FWIW: ...it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xnvPR5gC0AoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Forget the tubing, somebody needs to buy this custom frame! What a great bike!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eHlTYWuN17wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Not a one-off, it was, and will be again. For the moment, on the current Bomba (and the Hunq too, I think), the reason some are using the 26.8 is because they're using the stouter top-tube for the seat tube, until they get another tube for use for the seat tube that will allow the 27.2 seatposts again. Eventually, they'll be 27.2. But a new one right now, should be a 26.8. On Friday, April 27, 2012 11:25:35 AM UTC-4, Marty wrote: Not all Bombas take a 26.8. Mine (an early Diagaversion) uses 27.2, which thankfully allowed the use of the Nitto lugged set-back post. Could very well be that all current and future Bombas will be like yours Leslie. I even seem to recall that the 26.8 post was the original plan. (I even had a NOS XC-Pro in that size waiting...which I sold when I received the frame.) Maybe mine was a one-off. Marty On Friday, April 27, 2012 7:14:27 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: FWIW: ...it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/42UxxZ6j4wAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
I bet the reason is the steel was actually rolled to inch dimensions, which would be 0.030, a common thickness that is basically the same as 0.76mm Jim in Boulder On Friday, April 27, 2012 2:33:47 AM UTC-6, newenglandbike wrote: .. The chainstays are OX PLAT, with the odd wall thickness of 0.76mm. Normal would be 0.7 to 0.9, with 0.8 being really common, but these are 0.76. Odd, but fine. They’re good chainstays. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TAnzwp4XKv8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire _ From: Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com Sent: Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
