Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-17 Thread A. Nostuh
My aluminum 58cm boscos flex like crazy. They are super light and thin walled 
tubing. The flex is so much I wonder if they would break but probably just in 
my head. There is extra comfort from the flex a bit like doing push-ups on a 
diving board instead of concrete 

Al in Saratoga 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-16 Thread iamkeith
7:54 am 10/15/19 
With my first-run aluminum boscos, I was eventually able to tighten them enough 
to quit slipping, but I still didn't like how much they flexed/twisted. So I 
ended up with the steel bullmoose version which are perfect in every way.  If I 
ever try the aluminum ones again, I'll use the nito v4 srem, which might well 
solve BOTH problems.  Seems like this would be a fix for any that have been 
over-tightened and ovalized, too.  But that'll have to be a bike with a 
threadless steerer.  I think Soma, blue lug and ben's all sell them:


https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/nitto-stem-v4-2423?category=153

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-16 Thread jeff perry
Agreed 100%

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Everything you've described - most of which include a different stem and/or 
> bar design - are intended to combat the physics I'm talking about. My claim 
> stands: I think some people are putting more leverage into the Tallux/Bosco 
> combination than it can withstand without extra remedies at the clamp area. I 
> also think some get lucky with the specific tolerances of their bar/stem and 
> never have a slip. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-15 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I had some cromo Bosco + Nitto old stock cromo riser stem (CT-## {31 or 51, 
maybe}) slippage.  Not much, but a little upon hard out saddle mashing or 
stopping.  

I may or may not have experienced the same with the stock Tallux on my Clem... 
I can’t recall as I swapped stems fairly quickly as I needed the Tallux long 
quill length for another build and the Cromo riser with short quill was a 
perfect substitute at the time.

I later traded the Cromo Bosco finding the 55cm too narrow for my large 
wingspan (for the bolt upright posture.)

I’ve decided if I try Bosco again I’ll look for the 58cm moose variety, not 
just to avoid slippage but also a preference for the style (and to complete a 
bull moose trio.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-15 Thread Shawn Granton
Hello all-

Out of curiosity, does the metal make any difference in slipping? If you 
had a slipping set, what was it made out of?

Boscos come both in  heat-treated aluminum and chromoly steel. I put a pair 
of Boscos on my Raleigh Crested Butte four years ago to replace a pair of 
Civia Duponts. The Duponts were similar, but (probably untreated) aluminum 
and had quite a bit of "flex" in the bars. I got the Boscos in steel 
partially because they were cheaper than the aluminum bars, but also 
because I wanted a less "flexy" feeling. Four years later they're still 
working good, and I haven't had any slip.

Best,
Shawn in PDX



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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread Joe Bernard
I think the OP has reached the end of his confidence with these bars and just 
would rather not. Which I totally understand; it's a very important contact 
between you and the very important front wheel, and you need to know that baby 
isn't going to move! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread Bob B
I've ridden these bars for many years. When I first installed them they 
slipped and I found that to fix it I had to tighten the bolt a little bit 
more than I was comfortable with—once I did, they were set and haven't 
moved a smidge since.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread Garth


Without actually measuring anything you have idea what you are working with, 
either bar or stem.


Even if the bar is slightly out of spec, an open face stem is much more 
accomodating, the bars don't have to be exact like a single bolt. I've used 
25.4 swept back bars in 26.0 open face stems w/o a shim and they didn't budge. 
2 and 4 bolt stems usually offer a wider clamp area also. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread Bill Lindsay
>From your description, I think you are right not to use them.  If it were 
me, I would attempt to get my money back from whomever I bought them.  In 
my case, the only entity from whom I would ever buy a Bosco bar would be 
Rivendell Bicycle Works, and I'm certain that they would treat me fairly.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 2:43:46 PM UTC-7, jeff perry wrote:
>
> Maybe I just got a defective bar.  Disappointing.  I can’t sell these, so 
> I guess they are an expensive addition to my recycle bin.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread Clayton.sf
Doubt they are defective. I think it has more to do with how and where a person 
rides. Some friction paste and judicious overtorquing of stem bolt should 
mostly solve it.

CSHBGCA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread jeff perry
Maybe I just got a defective bar.  Disappointing.  I can’t sell these, so I 
guess they are an expensive addition to my recycle bin.  

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> On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:01 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> I've got two of the non-bull Boscos in service on my 26" tandem. Doesn't see 
> a ton of miles, but no issues.
> 
>> On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-4, John A. Bennett wrote:
>> I've been riding Bosco bars on my daily commuter (2005 RBW 62cm Saluki) for 
>> years, and I have had zero issues with them. 
>> 
>> No slip, no dip. 
>> 
>> They are by far my favorite bars OF ALL TIME, and believe me, I've ridden 
>> them all. Well, all of the bars sold by Rivendell, that is. 
>> 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B1o6mceBEsf/
>> 
>> John at Rivelo in Portland, Ore. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 12:37:06 PM UTC-7, jeff perry wrote:
>>> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I 
>>> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of 
>>> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up 
>>> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to 
>>> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else 
>>> experiencing similar problems?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-14 Thread jeff perry
Sorry to hear that.  I think it’s just poor design, unfortunately.  Too much 
leverage from the long bars and not enough surface area in the clamp.  The 
bosco moose seems like the safest way to go.  I’m sticking with my albatross.  
I was happy with them anyway, just wanted to try something new. 

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> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:27 AM, dra1980  wrote:
> 
> I just ordered a set of boscos with the re-stock they did at Walnut Creek and 
> am having the same issues. New stem, new bars, correct sizes but same slip as 
> described here. So you aren't alone. Maybe I'll try that friction paste... is 
> that kind of thing available at any hardware store? 
> 
>> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 3:37:06 PM UTC-4, jeff perry wrote:
>> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I 
>> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of pressure 
>> on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up either.  So 
>> frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to ride this 
>> way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else experiencing 
>> similar problems?
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