Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
The Velocity Blunt is regarded as the light wide 27.5" disc rim, and it weighs 570g and costs $100 per hoop The DM24 is a hefty 725g for a 622mm size. Scaled down to 584, that would be around 680g. Riv sells those hoops for $50 each (I emailed Rich and asked). So for a rim-brake rim that weighs 100g more than a light disc brake rim, and costs $50 less per hoop. That's in the ball park of reasonable, isn't it? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 2:21:53 PM UTC-7, Hetchins52 wrote: > > 725 grams (not clear which size that is on the Luna eBike site) > Wow! That's hefty! > > David > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: >> >> >> Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c " :) >> >> https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/ >> >> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote: >>> >>> Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, >>> rim-braked rims. >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
725 grams (not clear which size that is on the Luna eBike site) Wow! That's hefty! David On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > > Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c " :) > > https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/ > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote: >> >> Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, >> rim-braked rims. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:02 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Thanks, guys. I guess they would recommend the Cliffhangers for a build? > Swung by Riv HQ with some folks after riding Briones yesterday. Will confirmed that the built-bike in the pictures is a size Large with 650B wheels. I didn’t look, but one of the other fellas on the ride (John?) checked out the rims and said they were indeed Cliffhangers. If you visit Riv and are willing to do some serious climbing consider Briones! It was lovely. Pictures and stuff: https://www.strava.com/activities/1860749043 Best, Reed On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote: >> >> Price was mentioned in the "Sept 8, but..." Blahg posts. $1500 for frame >> and fork only, but also $1900 for fillet brazed. He didn't specifically say >> both would be available, maybe they're going to do one or the other? Or >> maybe both, they got samples of both. Sounds like no stock completes a la >> Clem. >> >> Darin >> >> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:15:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon >> wrote: >>> >>> I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be >>> offered as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general >>> pricepoint mentioned? >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
In other words . *shiitake happens ! *Life rolls on and rolls on Well ! In regards to such rims , I suspect any bike shop that has a supplier catalog either in paper or web could look up such a re-quest for specific width 27.5 rims, but it would help if you had certain specific models in mind as I am unaware if the catalogs list specs beyond the essentials of identification . Or, contact mfr. distributors listed on their website(if listed) , as that's who the mfr. would direct you if you contacted them directly. BTW, I did find ebikes.ca that had 650B size in stock, but shipping to usa is insanity. If you live in Canada you're set though ! http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/rims/rim275-dm24.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Lighten up Igor . I get it ... you asked for 27.5 rims and I gave you a link for 700c/26 , and now you are asking did anyone read your quest-I-on . I know "people just don't listen ... people can't read . people are so blah blah blah infinitum ". "I'm so offended " and a million and one "other" ways of crying "foul" . Of such thoughts anymore, no matter who says/thinks it , even I : * hmmm * *so what *? Reminds me of the song "poor poor pitiful me" . I crack up every time I hear it !Ahahahahaahahahaahah ! On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote: > > Did anyone read anything I wrote? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
"Did anyone read anything I wrote?" Yes. Garth linked those rims at Luna Cycle, the ebike people. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
You appeared to be getting at something, either to make a point or to accomplish something else. If you just want direct answers to your direct questions, fine. Igor asked: "Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves?" Answer: "No" Igor asked: "Did anyone read anything I wrote?" Answer: "Yes" On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 2:54:50 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote: > > Did anyone read anything I wrote? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Did anyone read anything I wrote? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Igor indicates that he’s curious to find replacement rims for his Clem Smith Jr. How many replacement rims do you want to buy for your Clem? What spoke hole count? Do you prefer silver or black? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c " :) https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/ On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote: > > Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, > rim-braked rims. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, rim-braked rims. Also simply curious because when I had the Clem that came with these stock, I too wondered where replacements could be had. On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:18:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Igor > > I'm curious why you are asking. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:14:44 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote: >> >> Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does >> not list the 27.5" size >> >> http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/ >> >> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my >>> HubbuHubbuH tandem. Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width >>> with uber-thick sidewalls. I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would >>> both work fine for 2.8" tires. >>> >>> BL >>> >>> >>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote: I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > > Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers > around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this > particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting > 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 > rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? > I've > poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I > haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order > (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or > at > a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) > I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with > normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Igor I'm curious why you are asking. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:14:44 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote: > > Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does > not list the 27.5" size > > http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/ > > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my >> HubbuHubbuH tandem. Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width >> with uber-thick sidewalls. I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would >> both work fine for 2.8" tires. >> >> BL >> >> >> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote: >>> >>> I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: >>> >>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 >>> >>> 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been >>> using the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with >>> them, and I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for >>> Gus. >>> >>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Have you seen these for sale anywhere by themselves? Alex's website does not list the 27.5" size http://www.alexrims.com/products/dm24-2/ On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my HubbuHubbuH > tandem. Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width with uber-thick > sidewalls. I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would both work fine > for 2.8" tires. > > BL > > > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote: >> >> I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: >> >> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 >> >> 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using >> the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and >> I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. >> >> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >>> >>> Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers >>> around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this >>> particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting >>> 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 >>> rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've >>> poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I >>> haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order >>> (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at >>> a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) >>> I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with >>> normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Bob, You have that right! Best, Rich in ATL On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:33:12 AM UTC-4, Bob B wrote: > > Reading the comments on that pinkbike link SERIOUSLY reaffirmed my > appreciation for having this forum and community to talk about bikes. > > Bob B. > Brooklyn, NY > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Reading the comments on that pinkbike link SERIOUSLY reaffirmed my appreciation for having this forum and community to talk about bikes. Bob B. Brooklyn, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Another tidbit from interbike: https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2018/09/19/first-time-exhibitor-rivendell-showing-new-model-designed-dirt#.W6QAeC-ZP-Y On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:01 AM Jeremy Till wrote: > I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: > > http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 > > 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using > the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and > I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. > > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >> >> Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers >> around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this >> particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting >> 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 >> rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've >> poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I >> haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order >> (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at >> a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) >> I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with >> normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
The widest 650B rim brake rim I've ever seen is the DM24 on my HubbuHubbuH tandem. Those are 32mm outside width and 24mm inside width with uber-thick sidewalls. I would think the Cliffhanger or the DM24 would both work fine for 2.8" tires. BL On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:01:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote: > > I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: > > http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 > > 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using > the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and > I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. > > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >> >> Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers >> around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this >> particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting >> 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 >> rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've >> poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I >> haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order >> (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at >> a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) >> I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with >> normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I'm fairly certain the sample is using 650b Velocity Cliffhangers: http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584 30mm external width, tubeless compatible, rim brake rims. I've been using the 700c version on my CleMTB and have been quite satisfied with them, and I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up being the go-to rim for Gus. On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 9:40:03 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > > Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers > around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this > particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting > 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 > rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've > poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I > haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order > (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at > a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) > I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with > normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Just to be clear my concern is Not With rim brakes; it mostly centers around what would have to be a wider then normal rim brake rim for this particular model. I am could be wrong (hopefully), but are they putting 2.8" tires on standard Atlas/Velocity rims? Otherwise all the wide 27.5 rims I am aware of are disk brake only!?? Maybe Alex makes something? I've poked around enough looking for 650b rims, I can't imagine there's any I haven't tripped over. So I have to assume they are made to order (translation: proprietary) if so good luck finding them down the road or at a reasonable price. (And 29ers are only slightly better maybe?) I guess in the future one could forgo the super wide tires & go with normal tires/rims pretty easily, but . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
"We have a good reputation and haven't screwed anyone over." I don't think we talk enough about how rare it is for a company to be ethical today. Thanks Riv. Brynnar Indy On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 10:26:06 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: > > Chuck Davis found and posted this on the iBOB list: > > > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2018/09/19/first-time-exhibitor-rivendell-showing-new-model-designed-dirt?utm_source=Bicycle+Retailer+Newletters_campaign=df09eb9f68-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_18_06_20_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_bbd0ac46d2-df09eb9f68-29057867#.W6RWOHRMHqB > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Thanks for the photo. I sorta mocked it up with a Limp dick stem and drops @dirtdancedesigns on instagram. I can’t seem to figure out how to post photos from my I-pad direct. I am leaning more and more to buying one, depending on what they do with the nine details to be changed. Clayton DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Chuck Davis found and posted this on the iBOB list: https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2018/09/19/first-time-exhibitor-rivendell-showing-new-model-designed-dirt?utm_source=Bicycle+Retailer+Newletters_campaign=df09eb9f68-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_18_06_20_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_bbd0ac46d2-df09eb9f68-29057867#.W6RWOHRMHqB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I retract that, now that I ho back and study the pictures. Maybe they are cliffhangers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
The prototype has rims that appear much wider than cliffhangers. Presumably Alex manufacturer? Surprisingly, they may have even set them up tubeless, judging by the oily spots by all the spoke holes. I dont know why we wouldn't assume that they would make those same rims available for us buyers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Thanks, guys. I guess they would recommend the Cliffhangers for a build? On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote: > > Price was mentioned in the "Sept 8, but..." Blahg posts. $1500 for frame > and fork only, but also $1900 for fillet brazed. He didn't specifically say > both would be available, maybe they're going to do one or the other? Or > maybe both, they got samples of both. Sounds like no stock completes a la > Clem. > > Darin > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:15:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be offered >> as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general pricepoint >> mentioned? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Price was mentioned in the "Sept 8, but..." Blahg posts. $1500 for frame and fork only, but also $1900 for fillet brazed. He didn't specifically say both would be available, maybe they're going to do one or the other? Or maybe both, they got samples of both. Sounds like no stock completes a la Clem. Darin On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:15:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be offered > as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general pricepoint > mentioned? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
That's a sweet bike! No-nonsense... work of art! On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:01:11 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Sporty, but tasteful -- and made by Rivendell! > > Patrick "You've seen it before, and you'll see it again -- 99 Joe Starck > Riv Road custom" Moore > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Ash > > wrote: > >> ... >> In general I'm into 'sporty' things (I'm into naked sport/enduro >> motorcycles, hate cruisers.. WRX any day over a Lexus etc). However when >> it comes to bikes I can't stand those flashy MTBs and road bikes I see in >> stores. They look ugly to me. Full of company logos, distasteful colors >> and weird shapes. For most people who buy them they are not functionally >> well suited either. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Another listmember had his Atlantis modified after an accident to accept discs f and r -- best of both worlds. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Ryan M. wrote: > My prediction is simply that rim brakes won't be making a come back, not > that they will go away completely or disappear. I do not think rim braking > will go away, especially with regards to road riding. I'm going to keep my > argument centered around off road riding or gravel stuff because that is > where I prefer to ride and where I see quite a few advantages for disc > braking. I agree, I think small makers will cater to the market for those > who prefer rim braking. I simply don't prefer rim braking after using both. > > Hey, I got Velocity Blunt SS on my Niner turned to gravel duty. Those rims > are great; can't say anything negative about them. I have had 0 issues out > of those rims (paul disc word/fhub hubs) and predict I'll be riding that > setup for many years problem free. > > But, I'm probably going to be purchasing a Gus. I like the bike and think > that setup with something like a Jones Bar or Wavie Bar, it will be a > really good bike for the off road stuff I like to ride. The braking system > on it are not a deal braker (pun intended). > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> I say that you're prediction is wrong. >> >> Distinction: Rim brake market, and rim brake advantages. The market may >> or may not survive -- I think there remains enough demand that >> manufacturing will survive healthily, at least among small makers for the >> aficionado crowd; I'll bet Rivendell and Compass, to name just 2, will >> continue to make rim brakes of one sort or another. >> >> Advantages: Rim brakes have this advantage, that they work *unimprovably* >> for many, if not most uses, and they are cheaper (well, count Compass out >> on this one) (heck, count Riv out too), but they are simpler, lighter, >> modulate better than many if not most or all mechanical discs (I can't >> speak to hydraulic ones), allow flexible forks, and in the eyes of some, me >> included, look better. Point: They have no disadvantages for many uses, and >> some real advantages. >> >> I like discs; hell, I like the ancient BB7, at least the Road model that >> came out circa 2015 -- there are better ones on the market, but these BB7 >> Roads work so well that I personally haven't sufficient motive to change. I >> know Jan pooh poohs mechanical discs, but he's just plain wrong on this >> matter. But calipers and V brakes and even cantis if someone else beside me >> sets them up just work so well that I can't see the entire global >> population giving them over for discs. >> >> I like discs for riding where conditions accelerate rim wear -- dirt >> riding, rain riding (last hypothetical); and I like discs because they let >> you use strong rims that are yet very light (case in point, Velocity Blount >> SS). >> >> Now, if you were to assert that, say, rod or stirrup brakes would >> disappear, I'd agree, but the Bowden cable freed us from that particular >> tyranny. >> >> Patrick Moore, who spent much time and sweat and physical and mental >> energy as a boy trying to get rod brakes to work *well.* >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Ryan M. >> wrote: >> >>> My prediction...rim brakes are not going to make a comeback...not in >>> mountain biking (or "hillbiking"). There just isn't any real good reason to >>> use a rim brake over a modern disc brake today given that there is a >>> definite performance advantage and a huge supply of products available at >>> all price points and most work very well. I mean, I'll buy a bike with >>> canti posts and ride it happily, but it is not my preference. It's not a >>> deal breaker but I don't see canti posts and think "so awesome!" >>> >>> I have always thought mechanical disc brakes worked about the same as a >>> v-brake (hydros being a different conversation) with regards to >>> power, modulation and setup until I used a Paul Klamper. That brake is so >>> freaking easy to set up; it's powerful; it feels really good in use and I >>> just don't know why I haven't been using it on every bike I can. Anyway, I >>> don't want to turn this thread into a canti-vs-disc argument. I got my >>> preferences, for sure. >>> >>> I'm sure someone will make a rim compatible with this bike and it's need >>> for a rim braking surface for a long time; I wouldn't worry about that. >>> Choices will be less, of course. >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:13:31 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: >>> I personally wouldn't worry much about the rims if they potentially were something that could be more popular in the future. Examples: moustache handlebars, normal width 650B rims, etc., but I am guessing 2.8" tires will require a wider rim be made. Plenty of them in all diameters, until you add rim braking capability and then it drops to none, one, two(?). Of course who knows,
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
$1500 frameset On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:15:45 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be offered > as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general pricepoint > mentioned? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be offered as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general pricepoint mentioned? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
My prediction is simply that rim brakes won't be making a come back, not that they will go away completely or disappear. I do not think rim braking will go away, especially with regards to road riding. I'm going to keep my argument centered around off road riding or gravel stuff because that is where I prefer to ride and where I see quite a few advantages for disc braking. I agree, I think small makers will cater to the market for those who prefer rim braking. I simply don't prefer rim braking after using both. Hey, I got Velocity Blunt SS on my Niner turned to gravel duty. Those rims are great; can't say anything negative about them. I have had 0 issues out of those rims (paul disc word/fhub hubs) and predict I'll be riding that setup for many years problem free. But, I'm probably going to be purchasing a Gus. I like the bike and think that setup with something like a Jones Bar or Wavie Bar, it will be a really good bike for the off road stuff I like to ride. The braking system on it are not a deal braker (pun intended). On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I say that you're prediction is wrong. > > Distinction: Rim brake market, and rim brake advantages. The market may or > may not survive -- I think there remains enough demand that manufacturing > will survive healthily, at least among small makers for the aficionado > crowd; I'll bet Rivendell and Compass, to name just 2, will continue to > make rim brakes of one sort or another. > > Advantages: Rim brakes have this advantage, that they work *unimprovably* > for many, if not most uses, and they are cheaper (well, count Compass out > on this one) (heck, count Riv out too), but they are simpler, lighter, > modulate better than many if not most or all mechanical discs (I can't > speak to hydraulic ones), allow flexible forks, and in the eyes of some, me > included, look better. Point: They have no disadvantages for many uses, and > some real advantages. > > I like discs; hell, I like the ancient BB7, at least the Road model that > came out circa 2015 -- there are better ones on the market, but these BB7 > Roads work so well that I personally haven't sufficient motive to change. I > know Jan pooh poohs mechanical discs, but he's just plain wrong on this > matter. But calipers and V brakes and even cantis if someone else beside me > sets them up just work so well that I can't see the entire global > population giving them over for discs. > > I like discs for riding where conditions accelerate rim wear -- dirt > riding, rain riding (last hypothetical); and I like discs because they let > you use strong rims that are yet very light (case in point, Velocity Blount > SS). > > Now, if you were to assert that, say, rod or stirrup brakes would > disappear, I'd agree, but the Bowden cable freed us from that particular > tyranny. > > Patrick Moore, who spent much time and sweat and physical and mental > energy as a boy trying to get rod brakes to work *well.* > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Ryan M. > wrote: > >> My prediction...rim brakes are not going to make a comeback...not in >> mountain biking (or "hillbiking"). There just isn't any real good reason to >> use a rim brake over a modern disc brake today given that there is a >> definite performance advantage and a huge supply of products available at >> all price points and most work very well. I mean, I'll buy a bike with >> canti posts and ride it happily, but it is not my preference. It's not a >> deal breaker but I don't see canti posts and think "so awesome!" >> >> I have always thought mechanical disc brakes worked about the same as a >> v-brake (hydros being a different conversation) with regards to >> power, modulation and setup until I used a Paul Klamper. That brake is so >> freaking easy to set up; it's powerful; it feels really good in use and I >> just don't know why I haven't been using it on every bike I can. Anyway, I >> don't want to turn this thread into a canti-vs-disc argument. I got my >> preferences, for sure. >> >> I'm sure someone will make a rim compatible with this bike and it's need >> for a rim braking surface for a long time; I wouldn't worry about that. >> Choices will be less, of course. >> >> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:13:31 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: >> >>> I personally wouldn't worry much about the rims if they potentially were >>> something that could be more popular in the future. Examples: moustache >>> handlebars, normal width 650B rims, etc., but I am guessing 2.8" tires will >>> require a wider rim be made. Plenty of them in all diameters, until you add >>> rim braking capability and then it drops to none, one, two(?). >>> Of course who knows, rim brakes might make a comeback!? >>> Even when it comes to regular 650b rim brake rims pickings are slim; I >>> presume they are prolific enough between retro bikes & modern recent >>> offerings to always be
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
And The Mainstream seems to agree, at least, if you can take the sometimes (not always) breathless drivel from Bike Radar as Mainstream: https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/direct-mount-vs-disc-brakes-52918/ Question: Are "direct mount" (ie, arms bolt to pivots on fork legs or stays, instead of whole schmear bolting via center bolt to a hole in crown or bridge) calipers really better, or is the praise in this little article just more breathless fluff? I know that Jan likes "direct mount" centerpulls, so perhaps "direct mount" calipers have some of the same benefits? On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > I say that you're prediction is wrong. > ... > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Ryan M. > wrote: > >> My prediction...rim brakes are not going to make a comeback... >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Shit!* "Your" *prediction is wrong. Patrick "Yes, I do know the difference" Moore On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > I say that you're prediction is wrong. > > Distinction: Rim brake market, and rim brake advantages. The market may or > may not survive -- I think there remains enough demand that manufacturing > will survive healthily, at least among small makers for the aficionado > crowd; I'll bet Rivendell and Compass, to name just 2, will continue to > make rim brakes of one sort or another. > > Advantages: Rim brakes have this advantage, that they work *unimprovably* > for many, if not most uses, and they are cheaper (well, count Compass out > on this one) (heck, count Riv out too), but they are simpler, lighter, > modulate better than many if not most or all mechanical discs (I can't > speak to hydraulic ones), allow flexible forks, and in the eyes of some, me > included, look better. Point: They have no disadvantages for many uses, and > some real advantages. > > I like discs; hell, I like the ancient BB7, at least the Road model that > came out circa 2015 -- there are better ones on the market, but these BB7 > Roads work so well that I personally haven't sufficient motive to change. I > know Jan pooh poohs mechanical discs, but he's just plain wrong on this > matter. But calipers and V brakes and even cantis if someone else beside me > sets them up just work so well that I can't see the entire global > population giving them over for discs. > > I like discs for riding where conditions accelerate rim wear -- dirt > riding, rain riding (last hypothetical); and I like discs because they let > you use strong rims that are yet very light (case in point, Velocity Blount > SS). > > Now, if you were to assert that, say, rod or stirrup brakes would > disappear, I'd agree, but the Bowden cable freed us from that particular > tyranny. > > Patrick Moore, who spent much time and sweat and physical and mental > energy as a boy trying to get rod brakes to work *well.* > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Ryan M. > wrote: > >> My prediction...rim brakes are not going to make a comeback...not in >> mountain biking (or "hillbiking"). There just isn't any real good reason to >> use a rim brake over a modern disc brake today given that there is a >> definite performance advantage and a huge supply of products available at >> all price points and most work very well. I mean, I'll buy a bike with >> canti posts and ride it happily, but it is not my preference. It's not a >> deal breaker but I don't see canti posts and think "so awesome!" >> >> I have always thought mechanical disc brakes worked about the same as a >> v-brake (hydros being a different conversation) with regards to >> power, modulation and setup until I used a Paul Klamper. That brake is so >> freaking easy to set up; it's powerful; it feels really good in use and I >> just don't know why I haven't been using it on every bike I can. Anyway, I >> don't want to turn this thread into a canti-vs-disc argument. I got my >> preferences, for sure. >> >> I'm sure someone will make a rim compatible with this bike and it's need >> for a rim braking surface for a long time; I wouldn't worry about that. >> Choices will be less, of course. >> >> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:13:31 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: >> >>> I personally wouldn't worry much about the rims if they potentially were >>> something that could be more popular in the future. Examples: moustache >>> handlebars, normal width 650B rims, etc., but I am guessing 2.8" tires will >>> require a wider rim be made. Plenty of them in all diameters, until you add >>> rim braking capability and then it drops to none, one, two(?). >>> Of course who knows, rim brakes might make a comeback!? >>> Even when it comes to regular 650b rim brake rims pickings are slim; I >>> presume they are prolific enough between retro bikes & modern recent >>> offerings to always be available, but who knows? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique > ** > ** > *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I say that you're prediction is wrong. Distinction: Rim brake market, and rim brake advantages. The market may or may not survive -- I think there remains enough demand that manufacturing will survive healthily, at least among small makers for the aficionado crowd; I'll bet Rivendell and Compass, to name just 2, will continue to make rim brakes of one sort or another. Advantages: Rim brakes have this advantage, that they work *unimprovably* for many, if not most uses, and they are cheaper (well, count Compass out on this one) (heck, count Riv out too), but they are simpler, lighter, modulate better than many if not most or all mechanical discs (I can't speak to hydraulic ones), allow flexible forks, and in the eyes of some, me included, look better. Point: They have no disadvantages for many uses, and some real advantages. I like discs; hell, I like the ancient BB7, at least the Road model that came out circa 2015 -- there are better ones on the market, but these BB7 Roads work so well that I personally haven't sufficient motive to change. I know Jan pooh poohs mechanical discs, but he's just plain wrong on this matter. But calipers and V brakes and even cantis if someone else beside me sets them up just work so well that I can't see the entire global population giving them over for discs. I like discs for riding where conditions accelerate rim wear -- dirt riding, rain riding (last hypothetical); and I like discs because they let you use strong rims that are yet very light (case in point, Velocity Blount SS). Now, if you were to assert that, say, rod or stirrup brakes would disappear, I'd agree, but the Bowden cable freed us from that particular tyranny. Patrick Moore, who spent much time and sweat and physical and mental energy as a boy trying to get rod brakes to work *well.* On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Ryan M. wrote: > My prediction...rim brakes are not going to make a comeback...not in > mountain biking (or "hillbiking"). There just isn't any real good reason to > use a rim brake over a modern disc brake today given that there is a > definite performance advantage and a huge supply of products available at > all price points and most work very well. I mean, I'll buy a bike with > canti posts and ride it happily, but it is not my preference. It's not a > deal breaker but I don't see canti posts and think "so awesome!" > > I have always thought mechanical disc brakes worked about the same as a > v-brake (hydros being a different conversation) with regards to > power, modulation and setup until I used a Paul Klamper. That brake is so > freaking easy to set up; it's powerful; it feels really good in use and I > just don't know why I haven't been using it on every bike I can. Anyway, I > don't want to turn this thread into a canti-vs-disc argument. I got my > preferences, for sure. > > I'm sure someone will make a rim compatible with this bike and it's need > for a rim braking surface for a long time; I wouldn't worry about that. > Choices will be less, of course. > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:13:31 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: > >> I personally wouldn't worry much about the rims if they potentially were >> something that could be more popular in the future. Examples: moustache >> handlebars, normal width 650B rims, etc., but I am guessing 2.8" tires will >> require a wider rim be made. Plenty of them in all diameters, until you add >> rim braking capability and then it drops to none, one, two(?). >> Of course who knows, rim brakes might make a comeback!? >> Even when it comes to regular 650b rim brake rims pickings are slim; I >> presume they are prolific enough between retro bikes & modern recent >> offerings to always be available, but who knows? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
On 09/18/2018 03:55 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two questions: 1. "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?" 20 years until you give up cycling? After that, enjoy walking, or reading. 20years of life? After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife 2. "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?" If those theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for help in sourcing a rim. Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to do so. If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really have a way to calm your worries. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA Rivendell isn't the only small supplier with a vested interest in 650B. Compass and Grand Bois are also players, and both sell rims. Compass brought back the Rene Herse crank and cantilever brake and the Mafac Raid brake from the dead, and getting those things back into production is, I'm sure, a more complex task than getting rim-brake rims made in 584 bsd. And it's worth noting too that you can still buy both rims and tires in 630 bsd 27 x 1 1/4" size, and nobody's manufactured a bike in that size in at least 30 years. It's easy to fall prey to fears of obsolescence, but the only sure cure is to give up entirely, because anything you buy today is subject to the same sky-is-falling fear. 130mm rear triangles -- my God, what is Boost, and even that's now being made obsolete by SuperBoost. 11 speed, now made pase by 12. Not long ago, people said you'd have to be crazy to go for 650B, 559 is the safe choice and the only plump tire size you really need, and now look what's happened to 559. Cable operated disk brake? It's all going hydro even as we speak. Five years ago, everyone was saying cable operated shifting was doomed. And just the other month I saw an article that said 700x23C was becoming an obsolete size. When I was in elementary school, we had Duck & Cover training in case of a nuclear attack. You' were suuposed to face away from the classroom windows and get under the seat of your classroom desk and assume "the position." Underneath my seat was inscribed a parody of the instructions: /Drop Flat On Ground Or Floor, Bury Your Face In Your Arms, *Put your head between your knees*/ /*and Kiss your ass goodbye.*///So yes, you could do that; or you could just ride your bike and not worry about the 650B and Rim Brake Armageddons. Hell, you can even buy brand new silver components and steel frames made in old standard diameter with threaded headsets and quill stems if you like. -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
i just saw Riv's instagram post of Will and Grant at the bike show and the new bike is in the background and from that angle, it looks bada$$. On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 4:15:02 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > I'm almost certain that a few months before he announced the MTB, he > mentioned a new rim in development. > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:57:35 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote: >> >> I wonder if Riv intends to support running something like a Cliffhanger >> rim tubeless or if they plan on working with a manufacturer to make a 650b >> non-disc rim appropriately wide for a plus sized mountain bike tire (or >> both??). Running a 2.8" tire at low pressure on a 25mm internal width rim >> with tube...more like Just Flats >> >> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two >>> questions: >>> >>> 1. "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?" 20 years until >>> you give up cycling? After that, enjoy walking, or reading. 20years of >>> life? After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife >>> 2. "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their >>> sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?" If those >>> theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road >>> need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily >>> available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for >>> help in sourcing a rim. Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to >>> manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to >>> do so. If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the >>> capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a >>> problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is >>> that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that >>> will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really >>> have a way to calm your worries. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it. >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I'm almost certain that a few months before he announced the MTB, he mentioned a new rim in development. On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:57:35 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote: > > I wonder if Riv intends to support running something like a Cliffhanger > rim tubeless or if they plan on working with a manufacturer to make a 650b > non-disc rim appropriately wide for a plus sized mountain bike tire (or > both??). Running a 2.8" tire at low pressure on a 25mm internal width rim > with tube...more like Just Flats > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two questions: >> >> 1. "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?" 20 years until >> you give up cycling? After that, enjoy walking, or reading. 20years of >> life? After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife >> 2. "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their >> sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?" If those >> theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road >> need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily >> available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for >> help in sourcing a rim. Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to >> manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to >> do so. If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the >> capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a >> problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is >> that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that >> will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really >> have a way to calm your worries. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >>> >>> The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate >>> such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, >>> what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of >>> lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think >>> to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide >>> rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I wonder if Riv intends to support running something like a Cliffhanger rim tubeless or if they plan on working with a manufacturer to make a 650b non-disc rim appropriately wide for a plus sized mountain bike tire (or both??). Running a 2.8" tire at low pressure on a 25mm internal width rim with tube...more like Just Flats On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two questions: > > 1. "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?" 20 years until > you give up cycling? After that, enjoy walking, or reading. 20years of > life? After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife > 2. "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their > sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?" If those > theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road > need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily > available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for > help in sourcing a rim. Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to > manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to > do so. If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the > capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a > problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is > that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that > will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really > have a way to calm your worries. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >> >> The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate >> such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, >> what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of >> lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think >> to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide >> rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I still have bikes with 27" rims and tires and French bottom brackets and French headsets - these haven't been put on new bikes for almost 40 years. I can still buy them NOS or new. It is easier now than it was 20 years ago thanks to the internet, E-Bay, etc. I can even get 27x1-3/8 tires now, which were unknown in the early seventies. Not worried about obsolescence. Laing Cocoa FL > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two questions: 1. "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?" 20 years until you give up cycling? After that, enjoy walking, or reading. 20years of life? After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife 2. "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?" If those theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for help in sourcing a rim. Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to do so. If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really have a way to calm your worries. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > > The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate such > an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, what > about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of > lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think > to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide > rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Bill nailed it! - Max "about to make yet another if-I-had-to-have-just-one-bike purchase" in A2 On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Give me the worst case scenario for this worry. If you buy a Gus Boots > Willsen today and are sincerely worried about specific components, you > should buy a couple extra of those specific components. What are they? > The only ones I can envision are wide enough rim brake rims in 584. Buy > three extra rims if you are really that worried. Have you ever had to > discard a bike because you could no longer buy a critical part for it? > There are certainly components that have become obsolete, but none of them > have resulted in throwing away a frame. Least of all Rivendell Bicycle > Works has never made a frameset that is now obsolete due to their inability > to source parts. You are free to worry over whatever you want to worry > over, obviously, but I think this particular worry is manageable, unless > your worry about components is code for "I don't want to buy that > bicycle". > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito CA > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > >> When I was in Walnut Creek, I spoke to Will & he was pretty excited about >> it. Honestly, I was expecting something along the lines of a Surly Ogre >> with rim brakes (& longer chain stays). I too worry about components; not >> now, but 10 years from now. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Give me the worst case scenario for this worry. If you buy a Gus Boots Willsen today and are sincerely worried about specific components, you should buy a couple extra of those specific components. What are they? The only ones I can envision are wide enough rim brake rims in 584. Buy three extra rims if you are really that worried. Have you ever had to discard a bike because you could no longer buy a critical part for it? There are certainly components that have become obsolete, but none of them have resulted in throwing away a frame. Least of all Rivendell Bicycle Works has never made a frameset that is now obsolete due to their inability to source parts. You are free to worry over whatever you want to worry over, obviously, but I think this particular worry is manageable, unless your worry about components is code for "I don't want to buy that bicycle". Bill Lindsay El Cerrito CA On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > When I was in Walnut Creek, I spoke to Will & he was pretty excited about > it. Honestly, I was expecting something along the lines of a Surly Ogre > with rim brakes (& longer chain stays). I too worry about components; not > now, but 10 years from now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
When I was in Walnut Creek, I spoke to Will & he was pretty excited about it. Honestly, I was expecting something along the lines of a Surly Ogre with rim brakes (& longer chain stays). I too worry about components; not now, but 10 years from now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Moi aussi. If there is one thing I have developed in the second half of my century (serendipitous pun), it is that I am not in a hurry. Oh, wait, no, it's that I no longer care that I'm not fast, and therefore not in hurry ;-). On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I guess the direction Riv has taken works for me because Grant and I both > seem to favor "go for a ride" rides as opposed to "I gotta hit 20/40/60 > miles today" rides, and we live in the same hilly and mostly dry area. It's > certainly fine to not be into a particular style of bike - maybe the look > and colors don't work for you - I just think a current Riv rider would be > hard-pressed to dislike the ride if they actually rode one. > > Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read > books" ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Just to provide a counterpoint: I think that the technical climbing technique you describe isn't for everyone, and I think that that's the market Grant's "Hill" bikes are going for. I rode a standard hardtail mountain bike before building up my Clem and found climbing on it challenging. If you like your handlebars relatively high, as is the Rivendell trademark, then to get low over the top tube you have to deeply bend your arms, which quickly becomes uncomfortable when you're also pulling on them for power. Your torso/hip angle may also be more acute than is comfortable for you, and it's difficult to look up the trail to anticipate obstacles and choose the best line. Taking my preferred fit into consideration (read: high handlebars), my Clem is the best technical climbing bike I've ever owned. I can easily clean climbs on it that I found challenging on more standard mountain bikes. I can sit more upright while climbing, my back and arms are more relaxed (read: less wasted energy), and I can see up the trail to find the right line. I will admit that if I get out of the saddle and lean too far forward while climbing, I can get the rear 2.2" tire to lose traction. But in the saddle or hovering over it, it's rock solid, and I prefer in the saddle climbing anyways, as long as I have a low enough gear. We'll see how the plus tires on the Gus change the traction equation. On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:48:15 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > > I can't say as I hate it!? It seems like a sort of evolution of the Clem > to me, but I can't say I would trade my Clementine for one. I would prefer > it over my Clementine, it solves the water bottle problem & I like the > larger, threadless steerer; I'll be interested to see how the fork handles > those meaty wheels/tires. > Regarding climbing; I see a lot of mention of it here & I thought maybe I > could demystify it for folks. > Good offroad climbing technique trumps most bike design considerations. On > a hill where you fear losing traction. Get you upper body forward as much > as possible, low over the handlebars. This prevents the "wheelies". Stay > seated, then when it gets steep, while maintaining your body position PULL > on the handlebars. This effectively uses your body position as a lever > which pushes the back tire into the ground & prevents the dreaded back tire > "spin" & loss of traction. > My Surly Ogre has an impossibly short rear triangle, but I can climb some > pretty steep stuff using this technique. No problem. My main issue is > running out of juice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Those are nice but they cover up to a 2.5" tire. The Gus takes a 2.8 max (with fender? seems that way as they talk about wiggle room at that width.) and the Jones Complete has a 3" tire. On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: > > On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: > >Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5? > > https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I like ebikes (although I'm out of the game at the moment, I sold all my e-stuff), but that video is a terrible way to sell them. "Here's a bunch of motor power so you can fly through the air!" is a one-way ticket to ebikes being banned on trails. Heckuva job, boys. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I can't say as I hate it!? It seems like a sort of evolution of the Clem to me, but I can't say I would trade my Clementine for one. I would prefer it over my Clementine, it solves the water bottle problem & I like the larger, threadless steerer; I'll be interested to see how the fork handles those meaty wheels/tires. Regarding climbing; I see a lot of mention of it here & I thought maybe I could demystify it for folks. Good offroad climbing technique trumps most bike design considerations. On a hill where you fear losing traction. Get you upper body forward as much as possible, low over the handlebars. This prevents the "wheelies". Stay seated, then when it gets steep, while maintaining your body position PULL on the handlebars. This effectively uses your body position as a lever which pushes the back tire into the ground & prevents the dreaded back tire "spin" & loss of traction. My Surly Ogre has an impossibly short rear triangle, but I can climb some pretty steep stuff using this technique. No problem. My main issue is running out of juice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:09 AM Joe Bernard wrote: > Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read > books" ? > I know, I know! They don't read books, they don't eat nice meals, and their bikes don't need to be pedaled. What are they saving all this time and energy for? It must be amazing! Reed (Who will be quite abashed when an ebike rider cures cancer.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Speaking of fitting to bikes with 2.8 width tires. Can you imagine a V-brake that would work with that wide of a seat stays and have pads that reach the rims. It would seem they have to use cantilevers. Just wondering - maybe it has been done. Mark On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 6:36:09 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Well, I don't think that's necessarily the case--I think there are plenty > of folks who wouldn't cotton to the newer generations of Rivendells, even > after a spin or two on one. While *I *think they offer a type of ride > that almost anyone would enjoy and benefit from, the new Rivs don't fit > everyone's perception of what they should be doing on a bicycle, how it > should look, etc., etc, etc. Hey, you can lead a horse to water. And that's > fine, as long as Rivendell can figure out how to sell enough to make a > decent living for everyone involved in the enterprise. And I'm impressed > by Don's apparent faith, keeping track of Rivendell despite ZERO interest > in any of the bicycles released by the company in the last decade (the > Rodeo came out around this time in 2009.) Hope springs eternal! > > I think the Hill Bike looks wonderful, and with the conditions found on > many streets these days, it would make a sensible commuter for during the > week riding. Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5? > > On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:51:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> The "sweepback bar cruisers" ride great, as does my Roadini. In my >> opinion only someone who's never ridden the new models would dismiss them. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
After riding the Appaloosa for a little bit I’m totally sold on the current long chain stay thing Riv has going. So far after owning other Riva, the App is my favorite Rivendell. This Hill bike has some details that I really appreciate for a “mountain bike.” The threadless fork/headset and the full length brake housing are both positives for a bike that rolls through the dirt, rock, grass, and mud, which is the way I would ride it. I’m very curious to see a geometry chart for this bike. It looks like it would make a fine trail riding bike. That janky brake cable routing in the rear makes me wonder why they would insist on canti posts instead of going with a disc brake, at least for the rear. With the plus tires one probably cannot use v brakes as the arms won’t be long enough, so cantis are the only choice. IMHO it is a poor choice for a bike that rolls through the dirt, rock, grass, and mud. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I guess the direction Riv has taken works for me because Grant and I both seem to favor "go for a ride" rides as opposed to "I gotta hit 20/40/60 miles today" rides, and we live in the same hilly and mostly dry area. It's certainly fine to not be into a particular style of bike - maybe the look and colors don't work for you - I just think a current Riv rider would be hard-pressed to dislike the ride if they actually rode one. Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read books" ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I love the new bike and Riv's current direction. The bikes are more accessible to a wider audience both design-wise and cost-wise and challenge you to think differently (maybe in way that's more in tune with others and the terrain). I like that the Hill Bike remains straight-forward to service and can be fitted out with economical parts / with versatility, as has always been the Riv tradition. The colors, fork blade curves, steel and lugs speak to the Riv heritage: the best of the old with the best of the new! Bike Industry Haters: Eat my (Musa) shorts!! On Monday, 17 September 2018 14:04:36 UTC+1, iamkeith wrote: > > On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: > >Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5? > > https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: >Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5? https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Well, I don't think that's necessarily the case--I think there are plenty of folks who wouldn't cotton to the newer generations of Rivendells, even after a spin or two on one. While *I *think they offer a type of ride that almost anyone would enjoy and benefit from, the new Rivs don't fit everyone's perception of what they should be doing on a bicycle, how it should look, etc., etc, etc. Hey, you can lead a horse to water. And that's fine, as long as Rivendell can figure out how to sell enough to make a decent living for everyone involved in the enterprise. And I'm impressed by Don's apparent faith, keeping track of Rivendell despite ZERO interest in any of the bicycles released by the company in the last decade (the Rodeo came out around this time in 2009.) Hope springs eternal! I think the Hill Bike looks wonderful, and with the conditions found on many streets these days, it would make a sensible commuter for during the week riding. Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5? On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:51:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > The "sweepback bar cruisers" ride great, as does my Roadini. In my opinion > only someone who's never ridden the new models would dismiss them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
I say just ride. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:43 PM, M Talley wrote: > > Interesting. I see the curved second top tube of the new Atlantis inverted > here. Though probably thicker walled for this application. It reminds me how > now I see bicycle design in terms of palettes of tube selections. After > looking over what some of the new models out from Surly, All City and Salsa - > specifically the models able to accept wide tire like this Hill bike - I > thought these separate brands must share. To have a heavily shaped tube made > and have it make sense by scales of economy the other two brands might look > at it as a piece to add to a new model. Just guessing. > >> On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote: >> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see how >> it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show. >> >> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes >> >> Happy Saturday riding everyone, >> Collin >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/3a41QNa5qL4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
The "sweepback bar cruisers" ride great, as does my Roadini. In my opinion only someone who's never ridden the new models would dismiss them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Don: I joined Rivendell circa 1994, and I too have observed the transition from Old School steel-and-toe-clips-and-wool-jersey roadie schtick, and cheap but smart kit, to the current crop of cruisers (that last term is not used in deprecation, but it's an apt term) and $250+ bags. I've owned 5 Rivs, and still have 2 -- both road models. I've owned most of the bags Rivendell has sold, though many I've bought used. I've scoffed at tweed mudflaps and so forth, but the scuttlebutt is that even the Clems and Roscoes and what have yous still have that magic signature handling and I, for one, won't dismiss these sweepback-bar models until I personally ride one. Patrick "Mongolians be damned" Moore On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Don Compton wrote: > I really like my Roadeo and loved my Ram. I appreciate Grant's vision. > But, I have ZERO interest in his new models. He lost my interest. > > On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 8:43:49 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote: >> >> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see >> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show. >> >> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/a >> ll-about-ebikes >> >> Happy Saturday riding everyone, >> Collin >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.