Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes Plumber, please share your wife's bike photos! You won't be stealing 
Bill's pink bike thunder if you make your own post...

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too 
> recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had to 
> do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
> wrote:
>
>> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went 
>> above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
>>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
>>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
>>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
 inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
 of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
 and 
 a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
 concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>> have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>> of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>> the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>> earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>> procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
>> which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
>> up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
 Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[dylan green]

wow...what a dream bike! congrats.

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 2:43:01 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I expect 700x38 Barlow Pass will fit without fenders.  I test fit a Barlow 
> Pass wheel on the front and there's room.  
>
> Honestly I'm probably going to get the Orondo Grade 700x31 tubeless and 
> leave it that way with fenders, semi-permanently.  The build right now has 
> used 700x32 Stampede Pass.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 2:27:16 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Very classy build, Bill! I love the boldness of the pink and the contrast 
>> with the cream.
>>
>> Do you know what your max tire size will be with/without fenders? And I 
>> assume its built for a 700c wheel?
>>
>> Can't wait to see it with fenders!
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:55:16 PM UTC-6 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good call I think I’ll hold off for a little until I start building and 
>>> have some more content to share with the group. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy the new ride Bill!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Start another thread!  Participants on this group love seeing photos of 
 other people's bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I 
> too recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D 
> Had 
> to do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
> wrote:
>
>> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you 
>> went above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
>>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, 
>>> though. 
>>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not 
>>> entirely 
>>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so 
 there's no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few 
 shots 
 on my porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water 
 bottle cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just 
 under 20 
 pounds, but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. 
> Like a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the 
> little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have 
>> enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully 
>> and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is 
>> to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
>> one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra 
>> machine-shop time making custom decorative headset spacers and 
>> indeed 
>> grinding off the lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and 
>> slowed 
>> down/stalled on the brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique 
>> about 
>> this from my earlier builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite 
>> housing, which 
>> was a new procedure for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene 
>> Herse 
>> cantilever brakes, which have a number of their own idiosyncratic 
>> nuances.  
>> I got the front set up, and I stopped there for meditation of my 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

I expect 700x38 Barlow Pass will fit without fenders.  I test fit a Barlow 
Pass wheel on the front and there's room.  

Honestly I'm probably going to get the Orondo Grade 700x31 tubeless and 
leave it that way with fenders, semi-permanently.  The build right now has 
used 700x32 Stampede Pass.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 2:27:16 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Very classy build, Bill! I love the boldness of the pink and the contrast 
> with the cream.
>
> Do you know what your max tire size will be with/without fenders? And I 
> assume its built for a 700c wheel?
>
> Can't wait to see it with fenders!
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:55:16 PM UTC-6 plumber...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good call I think I’ll hold off for a little until I start building and 
>> have some more content to share with the group. 
>>
>> Enjoy the new ride Bill!
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Start another thread!  Participants on this group love seeing photos of 
>>> other people's bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I 
 too recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D 
 Had 
 to do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 

 On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
 wrote:

> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you 
> went above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, 
>> though. 
>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not 
>> entirely 
>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's 
>>> no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my 
>>> porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle 
>>> cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 
>>> pounds, 
>>> but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>>
>>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. 
 Like a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the 
 little 
 details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
 inaugural 
 ride take you?

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have 
> enumerated 
> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
> just 
> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully 
> and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is 
> to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
> one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
> Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra 
> machine-shop time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed 
> grinding off the lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed 
> down/stalled on the brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique 
> about 
> this from my earlier builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, 
> which 
> was a new procedure for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse 
> cantilever brakes, which have a number of their own idiosyncratic 
> nuances.  
> I got the front set up, and I stopped there for meditation of my own. 
>  The 
> Flickr album has more shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 
> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Michael Ullmer]

Very classy build, Bill! I love the boldness of the pink and the contrast 
with the cream.

Do you know what your max tire size will be with/without fenders? And I 
assume its built for a 700c wheel?

Can't wait to see it with fenders!

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:55:16 PM UTC-6 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good call I think I’ll hold off for a little until I start building and 
> have some more content to share with the group. 
>
> Enjoy the new ride Bill!
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Start another thread!  Participants on this group love seeing photos of 
>> other people's bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I 
>>> too recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had 
>>> to do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you 
 went above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!

 On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, 
> though. 
> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not 
> entirely 
> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's 
>> no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my 
>> porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle 
>> cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 
>> pounds, 
>> but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>
>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like 
>>> a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
>>> inaugural 
>>> ride take you?
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
 tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have 
 enumerated 
 Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
 just 
 states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully 
 and 
 deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
 have 
 the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
 one of 
 the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
 Meditating 
 on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
 saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

 I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra 
 machine-shop time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed 
 grinding off the lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed 
 down/stalled on the brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique 
 about 
 this from my earlier builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, 
 which 
 was a new procedure for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse 
 cantilever brakes, which have a number of their own idiosyncratic 
 nuances.  
 I got the front set up, and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  
 The 
 Flickr album has more shots in it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[vernon brooks]

Good call I think I’ll hold off for a little until I start building and
have some more content to share with the group.

Enjoy the new ride Bill!

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Start another thread!  Participants on this group love seeing photos of
> other people's bikes.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too
>> recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had to
>> do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went
>>> above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of
 components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though.
 It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely
 on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.

 On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's
> no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my
> porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle
> cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 
> pounds,
> but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.
>
> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like
>> a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little
>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
>> inaugural
>> ride take you?
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat
>>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated
>>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>>> just
>>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and
>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>>> have
>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
>>> one of
>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>>> Meditating
>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and
>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.
>>>
>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra
>>> machine-shop time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed
>>> grinding off the lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed
>>> down/stalled on the brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique 
>>> about
>>> this from my earlier builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, 
>>> which
>>> was a new procedure for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse
>>> cantilever brakes, which have a number of their own idiosyncratic 
>>> nuances.
>>> I got the front set up, and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  
>>> The
>>> Flickr album has more shots in it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay
 wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on
> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Start another thread!  Participants on this group love seeing photos of 
other people's bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too 
> recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had to 
> do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
> wrote:
>
>> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went 
>> above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
>>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
>>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
>>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
 inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
 of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
 and 
 a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
 concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>> have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>> of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>> the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>> earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>> procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
>> which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
>> up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
 Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[vernon brooks]

Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too
recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had to
do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann 
wrote:

> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went
> above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of
>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though.
>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely
>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no
>>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch
>>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and
>>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I
>>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.
>>>
>>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a
 jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little
 details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural
 ride take you?

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat
> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated
> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just
> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
> have
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
> of
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop
> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the
> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the
> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
> earlier
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up,
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on
>>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Matthew Rebmann]

The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went 
above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>
>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>>> ride take you?
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
 tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
 Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just 
 states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
 deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
 have 
 the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
 of 
 the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
 on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
 saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

 I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
 time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
 lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
 brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
 earlier 
 builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
 for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
 have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
 and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
 shots in it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[George Schick]

I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>
> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>> ride take you?
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>
>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>>> shots in it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

Bill,  beautifully done!   Those color matched Honjos are going to be the 
piece de resistance!!!

Pardon me now while I mop up the puddle of drool from my keyboard.

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> We have a huge glass jug (two of them actually) where every cork goes.  I 
> just shop from those jugs for the right outside diameter.  About 80% of 
> wine corks are too wide.  I've got a pretty good eye for picking out the 
> ones that'll work, and it is entirely as a mechanic would think of them. 
>  They are a useful object, but contain no "soul" or significance outside of 
> their utility (at least for me).
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:59:52 AM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing 
>> your builds.
>>
>> Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
>> of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
>> them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.
>>
>> - Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
>> finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?
>>
>> - Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs 
>> serious, light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  
>>
>> - Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the 
>> bike?
>>
>> - Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do 
>> you cut the corks in half?
>>
>> I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
>> Mike in Austin
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed 
 the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
 overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?

 On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's 
> no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my 
> porch of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle 
> cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 
> pounds, 
> but I concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>
> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like 
>> a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
>> inaugural 
>> ride take you?
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>>> just 
>>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>>> have 
>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is 
>>> one of 
>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>>> Meditating 
>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>
>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra 
>>> machine-shop time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed 
>>> grinding off the lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed 
>>> down/stalled on the brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique 
>>> about 
>>> this from my earlier builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, 
>>> which 
>>> was a new procedure for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse 
>>> cantilever brakes, which have a number of their own idiosyncratic 
>>> nuances. 
>>>  I got the front set up, and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  
>>> The 
>>> Flickr album has more shots in it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> SMH

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

We have a huge glass jug (two of them actually) where every cork goes.  I 
just shop from those jugs for the right outside diameter.  About 80% of 
wine corks are too wide.  I've got a pretty good eye for picking out the 
ones that'll work, and it is entirely as a mechanic would think of them. 
 They are a useful object, but contain no "soul" or significance outside of 
their utility (at least for me).

BL in EC

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:59:52 AM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing your 
> builds.
>
> Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
> of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
> them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.
>
> - Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
> finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?
>
> - Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs 
> serious, light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  
>
> - Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the 
> bike?
>
> - Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do you 
> cut the corks in half?
>
> I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
> Mike in Austin
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed 
>>> the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
>>> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
 inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
 of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
 and 
 a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
 concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>> have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>> of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>> the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>> earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>> procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
>> which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
>> up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
 Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Ryan]

Something local like a Napa Valley rose ??

" Located just north of St. Helena, this state-of-the-art winery features 
17,000 square feet of winemaking caves and has three different vineyard 
AVAs. The *2022 Rosé of Pinot Noir* is summer in a bottle, with tastes of 
sweet watermelon and pink grapefruit leaving you longing for more."

https://www.visitnapavalley.com/blog/post/napa-valley-wineries-with-rose/ 
 

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing your 
> builds.
>
> Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
> of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
> them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.
>
> - Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
> finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?
>
> - Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs 
> serious, light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  
>
> - Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the 
> bike?
>
> - Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do you 
> cut the corks in half?
>
> I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
> Mike in Austin
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed 
>>> the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
>>> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
 inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
 of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
 and 
 a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
 concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>> have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>> of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>> the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>> earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>> procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
>> which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
>> up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
 Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Mike Packard]

Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing your 
builds.

Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use 
of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create 
them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier.

- Must the wine be consumed after the assembly of the bike? Kind of a 
finishing touch like when they smash a bottle against a new sailing ship?

- Must the wine match the bike in terms of character, whimsical vs serious, 
light vs heavy, drop bars vs upright bars, etc?  

- Must the uniqueness of the wine somewhat match the uniqueness of the bike?

- Must both ends be from the same wine (necessitating 2 bottles) or do you 
cut the corks in half?

I guess what I'm asking is what kind of wine are you going to use? 
Mike in Austin


On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed the 
>> unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
>> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
>>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
>>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
>>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
>>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>>
>>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
 jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
 details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
 inaugural 
 ride take you?

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just 
> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
> have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
> of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
> Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
> earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
> procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
> which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
> up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
>>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac

BL in EC

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed the 
> unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
> overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?
>
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>
>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>>> ride take you?
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
 tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
 Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just 
 states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
 deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
 have 
 the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
 of 
 the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
 on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
 saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

 I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
 time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
 lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
 brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
 earlier 
 builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
 for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
 have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
 and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
 shots in it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Ryan]

The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8  works! Noticed the 
unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't 
overlooked. Nitto barend plugs?  Or something from Rene Herse?

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>
> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>> ride take you?
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>>
>>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>>> shots in it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

The album is updated, scroll to the end:
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Rule #9 is on my Mount Rushmore of the Rules.  If I get caught in the rain, 
I get Rule #9 points.  It's not bad planning; I'm a badass!

BL in EC

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:48:52 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both.
> Except when I don’t.
>
> Philip (surprisingly matchy-matchy on #8) in Sonoma County
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[George Schick]

Huh. I'm not familiar with Rene Hearse brakes.  Pads with adjustable 
conical washers are not available for these?  Seems like bending an 
aluminum alloy part like this would be kinda risky.


On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Philip Williamson]

I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both.
Except when I don’t.

Philip (surprisingly matchy-matchy on #8) in Sonoma County

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

U R welcome, Steve. The Velominati Rules are a hoot. Required reading 4
sure.

And do not mess with the rules 浪 !!!

Jock

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:55 PM Steve  wrote:

> I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?"
> Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them!  Thank you Bill & John
> Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop
> giggling.
>
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that
>> feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it
>>> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm
>>> guessing for a GPS mount?
>>>
>>> Collin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning
 at Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no
 commentary (yet):

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

When I inspected the frame at Riv prior to paint, they asked if I wanted to 
take the fork to the grinding wheel, but I didn't do it at that time.  I 
prefer to do delicate maneuvers like that in my own work space in my own 
time.  One thing people do sometimes is completely clear the dropout faces 
of paint, for a cleaner look.  D used to do that, and the Vimeo Riv 
produced of Rick painting a Hilsen shows him doing that.  I'm not a touch 
up guy.  I'm a beausage guy.  Scrubbing off the lawyer lips is part of me 
marking my territory.  It'll take "forever" for that exposed metal to rust. 
 If I lived on the marina perhaps I'd feel differently about it.  

BL in EC

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> "...and indeed grinding off the lawyer lips..." ???  I would'a thought 
> you'd have ground those off before it was painted.  You must have some 
> touch up paint of the same color.
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

The inaugural ride will be back to Riv HQ so they can photograph it.  I'll 
probably take it on my March Diablo Summit as well

BL in EC

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[George Schick]

"...and indeed grinding off the lawyer lips..." ???  I would'a thought 
you'd have ground those off before it was painted.  You must have some 
touch up paint of the same color.

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
ride take you?

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue in 
cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
shots in it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Shoji Takahashi]

Wow! and that stem is gorgeous.



On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:16:21 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> https://www.velominati.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve  wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

https://www.velominati.com


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve  wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Miles Payton]

Oh man that is an absolutely stunning Riv in a world full of stunning Rivs. 
Holy cow. Thanks for continuing the updates too. It's been a pleasure to 
follow along. Was that bit of art with the cat in the bed what you 
delivered for color inspiration?

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC-6 Steve wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, 
> and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

SMH

Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, 
and then recite Rule #8

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bob Warner]

Looks amazing!!  Looking forward to the final version!What’s the brazon for under the fork crown?Love the brazed-on rear cable adjuster. Very cool add-on!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 15, 2024, at 4:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I've got a decent start at it now:  

Untitled | Hillbubba | FlickrBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:Very slick frame. When do you plan to build it up?On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no commentary (yet):https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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