Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Bill Lindsay]

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:01:00 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit 
> capacity is maddening...)
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you 
>> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That 
>> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well 
>> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 
>>
>> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
>> then double click it to make it full size. 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
>>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
>>> sure what it looks like
>>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
 on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
 just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
 bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
 I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
 lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
 rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 

 Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
 repair! 

 On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube 
> if 
> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry 
> about 
> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance 
> to 
> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down 
>> stairs sounds 
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
>> it's prob
>> fixable 
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to 
>>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, 
>>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, 
>>> etc.). 
>>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you 
>>> would 
>>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>>> can 
>>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel 
>>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>>> expected. 
>>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>>> off. I 
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of 
>>> the 
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen 
>>> it 
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting 
>>> to 
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>>> keep 
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>>> curious 
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Jason Fuller]

Oh no, I guess I spoke too soon. That's a real bummer!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:01 AM Garth  wrote:

> Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit
> capacity is maddening...)
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you
>> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That
>> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well
>> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own !
>>
>> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab,
>> then double click it to make it full size.
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I
>>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's
>>> sure what it looks like
>>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled
 on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's
 just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint
 bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing
 I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to
 lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there
 rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that

 Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need
 repair!

 On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went
> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily
> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame
> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if
> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about
> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to
> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down
>> stairs sounds
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but
>> it's prob
>> fixable
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to
>>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly,
>>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.).
>>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would
>>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>>> can
>>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel
>>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>>> expected.
>>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>>> off. I
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>>> keep
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>>> curious
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Garth]

Oh heck, just one click embiggens the photo in it's own tab. (No edit 
capacity is maddening...)

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you 
> take it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That 
> would be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well 
> maybe you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 
>
> For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
> then double click it to make it full size. 
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
>> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
>> sure what it looks like
>> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
>>> on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
>>> just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
>>> bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
>>> I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
>>> lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
>>> rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 
>>>
>>> Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
>>> repair! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
 live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
 since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
 builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if 
 needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about 
 color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to 
 get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.

 On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:

> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
> sounds 
> like the culprit
>
> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
> it's prob
> fixable 
>
> good luck!
>
> sorry for shifty typing 
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to 
>> make of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, 
>> however, I can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). 
>> Additionally, there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would 
>> see from something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I 
>> can 
>> think of was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel 
>> like the front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than 
>> expected. 
>> I inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything 
>> off. I 
>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
>> during that time.
>>
>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
>> keep 
>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
>> curious 
>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Garth]

That's definitely a crack in the tube Ted. Whichever frame builder you take 
it to will also inspect the other relevant tubes, plus the fork. That would 
be an opportune time to add any braze-ons to the frame too, and well maybe 
you'd like another color as there's nothing like choosing your own ! 

For those unaware, right click on the image and open it in another tab, 
then double click it to make it full size. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Per Will's instruction I chipped off the paint around the blister and I 
> think there's a hairline crack in the tube... I hope I'm wrong but that's 
> sure what it looks like
> [image: IMG_6439.JPG]
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:37 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled 
>> on the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's 
>> just that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint 
>> bonding due to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing 
>> I'd think too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to 
>> lift and split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there 
>> rather than a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 
>>
>> Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
>> repair! 
>>
>> On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went 
>>> live. Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily 
>>> since. It is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame 
>>> builders in my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if 
>>> needed... if needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about 
>>> color matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to 
>>> get a custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 New bike and you are the original owner correct?
 looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
 sounds 
 like the culprit

 see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but 
 it's prob
 fixable 

 good luck!

 sorry for shifty typing 
 On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make 
> of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, 
> I 
> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). 
> Additionally, 
> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from 
> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think 
> of 
> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the 
> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I 
> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I 
> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
> during that time.
>
> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and 
> keep 
> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm 
> curious 
> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>
> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Jason Fuller]

Is it just the blister on the top of the tube, or does it look wrinkled on 
the sides too?  Sorry, not really able to tell on my screen.  If it's just 
that blister on top, it could very well just be from poor paint bonding due 
to debris or maybe it wasn't cleaned well enough after brazing I'd think 
too. Maybe a little bit of flex from riding finally caused it to lift and 
split like that.  It just looks like an air bubble under there rather than 
a crack - a crack wouldn't lift like that 

Hope I'm right about that because it would certainly be a shame to need 
repair! 

On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 08:30:08 UTC-8 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went live. 
> Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily since. It 
> is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame builders in 
> my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if needed... if 
> needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about color 
> matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to get a 
> custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
>> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs 
>> sounds 
>> like the culprit
>>
>> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but it's 
>> prob
>> fixable 
>>
>> good luck!
>>
>> sorry for shifty typing 
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make 
>>> of it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, I 
>>> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). Additionally, 
>>> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from 
>>> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think of 
>>> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the 
>>> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I 
>>> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I 
>>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the 
>>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it 
>>> during that time.
>>>
>>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal 
>>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to 
>>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and keep 
>>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm curious 
>>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the 
>>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on top tube anomaly

[Ted W]

Yup, bought this bike brand new when the last run of Appaloosas went live.
Built it up a few months ago and I've ridden it pretty much daily since. It
is almost certainly fixable. There are several reputable frame builders in
my area and I'm sure any one of them could replace the tube if needed... if
needed being the key there. I love the purple and worry about color
matching after the repair. I guess I could look at it as a chance to get a
custom work up but my wallet doesn't like the sound of that.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:06 AM Ryan  wrote:

> New bike and you are the original owner correct?
> looks a little scary and if you are the only owner hopping down stairs
> sounds
> like the culprit
>
> see what riv says but not sure this would be a warranty issue...but it's
> prob
> fixable
>
> good luck!
>
> sorry for shifty typing
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Noticed this after my morning ride today and I'm not sure what to make of
>> it. To my eye, it looks like the tube has wrinkled slightly, however, I
>> can't think of how it could have happened (no crashes, etc.). Additionally,
>> there's no evidence of damage to the downtube as you would see from
>> something like a front end collision. The only "hard" impact I can think of
>> was from last week when I hopped down some stairs and did feel like the
>> front wheel took a harder "thud" on the bottom step than expected. I
>> inspected the wheel and fork afterwards and didn't notice anything off. I
>> didn't look in this exact spot, but I was working on the frontend of the
>> bike later that day in the shop stand and feel like I would have seen it
>> during that time.
>>
>> My plan is to chip off the paint a little to inspect the bare metal
>> underneath to check for corrosion or cracks, though I'm not expecting to
>> see any. Assuming that, I plan to just cover up the exposed metal and keep
>> on truckin' given how minior any possible damage appears to be. I'm curious
>> to see what people think, though. I've also reached out to Riv with the
>> same photos to get an "official" opinion on the matter as well.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6432.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_6433.JPG]
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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