Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[franklyn]

It seems that a plush ride is of value here. One trick that I use and one that 
has been mentioned on this list before is to put tubeless sealant in the tubes. 
This way you can enjoy the supple Compass/RH tires while not worry about flats: 
have the cake and eat it also.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[PaulS]

Schwalbe touring tires can last quite a while and typically measured in 
distance. Reports I’ve seen vary between 6-10k miles, depending on terrain, 
weight, etc. 

I’ve used Big Apples. Very plush. I did have a staple go right through one 
time. If I had been on my Marathon Plus, I’d have just kept going. If you 
prioritize flat proof over everything else, I’d highly recommend the Marathon 
Plus. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

It’s hard to say how long tires last. The heat and dryness out here can crack 
tires but I haven’t had it happen. Use, disuse, miles - it all affects the 
tire. I had my Betz tires for 5 years before I wore them down to the fabric. I 
could see the air in those tires!

Oh, you asked about the WTB Betty Foy post. I don’t want to sell right now. I 
do still love the bike and have been riding it again lately. I think the 
Clementine’s tires have been decreasing my enjoyment lately. It just feels hard 
lately. Pedaling that bike seems to always take too much effort. And it’s not 
the weight of the bike - it feels the same loaded or not. I still really like 
it, but it needs some fine-tuning.

Alright I’m spent. To bed!
L

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> On Sep 28, 2019, at 6:05 PM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
> 
> 
> How long do tires last?  Is it the number of miles (and how many), the age, 
> environmental, a combination?  Would these tires last longer I suppose, 
> because the material is thicker (assuming all material is exactly equal, 
> which probably isn't true).
> 
> I know nothing of tires, but am curious.  I'm a "no flat" kind of person.
> 
>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:58:30 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>   Yes 50 is right, they'll be about 46mm and you might have to get the 
>> fenders adjusted when installed, maybe not hopefully the mechanic is 
>> competent ! 
>> 
>> Schwalbe Big Ben, RaceGuard Performance line, wire bead, HS439 - 650B x 48 
>> (50-584, 27.5x2) - 10138 - 745g, 35-70 psi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> Wait, not in 50 - where did I get that? Who put this idea in my head? 
>>> 
>>> The tire size is “27.5 x 1.75” and the bike has fenders.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[REC (Roberta)]

How long do tires last?  Is it the number of miles (and how many), the age, 
environmental, a combination?  Would these tires last longer I suppose, 
because the material is thicker (assuming all material is exactly equal, 
which probably isn't true).

I know nothing of tires, but am curious.  I'm a "no flat" kind of person.

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:58:30 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>   Yes 50 is right, they'll be about 46mm and you might have to get the 
> fenders adjusted when installed, maybe not hopefully the mechanic is 
> competent ! 
>
> *Schwalbe Big Ben, RaceGuard Performance line, wire bead, HS439 - 650B x 
> 48 (50-584, 27.5x2) - 10138 - 745g, 35-70 psi*
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Wait, not in 50 - where did I get that? Who put this idea in my head? 
>>
>> The tire size is “27.5 x 1.75” and the bike has fenders.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Jan O.]

I run 650B x 48mm Big Ben on my Atlantis and they are great all around 
tires. They roll very well and have good puncture protection.

Jan
San Francisco, CA


On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 8:32:46 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Alright, I’m just catching up since I had an event that went late into 
> last night. I have opened the proverbial can of worms here. I was supposed 
> to say, “Please figure out this tire problem. Tell me what to get and how 
> to make the black speckles stop.” and you were supposed to say, “1. Do 
> this. And 2. Do that.” And then problem solved, right?! 
>
> I might be more conflicted than when I started regarding tires, but I DID 
> order the Kool Stop brakes and will have those installed. I’m pretty sure 
> that will stop the black speckling issue. As for tires, I know some have 
> been ok with the Kendas and like how they keep the bike from taking itself 
> too seriously (looks-wise) but I am going to switch them out. The 
> Clementine feels, even on flat land, a big sluggish. I rarely shifted on my 
> Betz but I need to on the Clementine, like the bike is always in a gear 
> that’s a little too hard. I want to see if better tires would help that. 
>
> So, in light of that, do we think Schwalbe Big Bens in 50 will be the 
> ticket?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[REC (Roberta)]

I have some Kenda tires (not sure which ones) on my Joe Appaloosa. I think 
they are 45 wide.  I pump them to 65 ( I think that is the max) and don't 
pump them up again until they get that squishy feeling, then pump them up 
again.  I do like them a touch less than the max, but much more than 
squishy.  I'm not sure what pressure that is.  Still fairly firm though for 
me.

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine 
>> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps 
>> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I 
>> know...
>>
>>
> I can give you one good reason (besides comfort) why you might not want to 
> inflate wide tires to max pressure unless you've very heavy.  When you pump 
> a wide tire up to high pressure it can become very bouncy with a 
> considerable rebound on hard impacts, a bit like a basketball. That can, in 
> some circumstances, snatch the handlebars right out of your hands.  It 
> happened to me, and I crashed as a result, breaking my collar bone.  I'm 
> not talking here about the biopace-like surging you might get at very low 
> pressure, where you can feel the bike squishing the tires down on each 
> pedal downstroke, but rather the SPROING bounce you get when you throw a 
> basketball down onto the pavement.  
>
> Your "bones rattling" comment reminds me of a time at Bike Virginia, back 
> when they still had dinner put on by a community organization.  I was 
> standing in line waiting for them to open, and couldn't help overhearing 
> the guy in front of me discussing tire pressure with his friends.  He 
> looked a bit like a football player - large, obviously over 250 lb.  He was 
> from Virginia Beach, and was talking about how much he enjoyed going 
> downhill on "the bridge" -- evidently, the only hill in town -- on his 19mm 
> tires inflated to 150 psi.  "Rock hard," he said, and at 30 mph the bike 
> vibrated so much he said "it *really* felt fast!"
>
> It is true you don't get the same super cushy ride benefit from lower tire 
> pressure with chunky, rigid-sidewall tires as you do with supple tires with 
> flexible sidewalls, but there's still a benefit to having your tires as the 
> proper pressure for your weight.  At just under 100kg I'm well over the 
> Clydesdale line and there are very few tires that I need to inflate to the 
> "max pressure".  And I'll bet you a chocolate milkshake I weigh a lot more 
> than you do.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Steve Palincsar]

Make sure you have a good grip on the bars, in that case.

On 9/27/19 11:38 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:

I both laughed and shuddered over the football player’s bone-shaking.

Yes, that’s what I like - the basketball bounce you get on full tires 
- I’ve just never thought of it that way! Don’t take this from me! 
Because now I’m a little concerned. But maybe not concerned enough to 
ride around on sloppy tires. We’ll see.


Sent from my iPad


On Sep 27, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:



On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle 
Ding Ding! wrote:


Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air
in mine and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me.
I fly over bumps and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle!
I’m doing it wrong, I know...


I can give you one good reason (besides comfort) why you might not 
want to inflate wide tires to max pressure unless you've very heavy.  
When you pump a wide tire up to high pressure it can become very 
bouncy with a considerable rebound on hard impacts, a bit like a 
basketball. That can, in some circumstances, snatch the handlebars 
right out of your hands.  It happened to me, and I crashed as a 
result, breaking my collar bone.  I'm not talking here about the 
biopace-like surging you might get at very low pressure, where you 
can feel the bike squishing the tires down on each pedal downstroke, 
but rather the SPROING bounce you get when you throw a basketball 
down onto the pavement.


Your "bones rattling" comment reminds me of a time at Bike Virginia, 
back when they still had dinner put on by a community organization.  
I was standing in line waiting for them to open, and couldn't help 
overhearing the guy in front of me discussing tire pressure with his 
friends.  He looked a bit like a football player - large, obviously 
over 250 lb.  He was from Virginia Beach, and was talking about how 
much he enjoyed going downhill on "the bridge" -- evidently, the only 
hill in town -- on his 19mm tires inflated to 150 psi.  "Rock hard," 
he said, and at 30 mph the bike vibrated so much he said "it /really/ 
felt fast!"


It is true you don't get the same super cushy ride benefit from lower 
tire pressure with chunky, rigid-sidewall tires as you do with supple 
tires with flexible sidewalls, but there's still a benefit to having 
your tires as the proper pressure for your weight.  At just under 
100kg I'm well over the Clydesdale line and there are very few tires 
that I need to inflate to the "max pressure".  And I'll bet you a 
chocolate milkshake I weigh a lot more than you do.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  Yes 50 is right, they'll be about 46mm and you might have to get the 
fenders adjusted when installed, maybe not hopefully the mechanic is 
competent ! 

*Schwalbe Big Ben, RaceGuard Performance line, wire bead, HS439 - 650B x 48 
(50-584, 27.5x2) - 10138 - 745g, 35-70 psi*



On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Wait, not in 50 - where did I get that? Who put this idea in my head? 
>
> The tire size is “27.5 x 1.75” and the bike has fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

   I've had some Kenda tires of a different model, they were fairly light 
and folding even . and they too felt sluggish. The Big Bens, despite 
weighing much more ride so much better and as I've said repeatedly  
roll and roll and roll . on over yonder and hill and dale. I ride the 
exact same hills with my much lighter road bike and I ride up in the same 
gears and speed that is ... slow ! Ahahahahaha ! 

  Big Bens it is .  Call them the killer B's ...


On Friday, SepteThe Clementine feels, even on flat land, a big sluggish. I 
rarely shifted on my Betz but I need to on the Clementine, like the bike is 
always in a gear that’s a little too hard. I want to see if better tires 
would help that. 

>
> So, in light of that, do we think Schwalbe Big Bens in 50 will be the 
> ticket?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Wait, not in 50 - where did I get that? Who put this idea in my head? 

The tire size is “27.5 x 1.75” and the bike has fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

I both laughed and shuddered over the football player’s bone-shaking. 

Yes, that’s what I like - the basketball bounce you get on full tires - I’ve 
just never thought of it that way! Don’t take this from me! Because now I’m a 
little concerned. But maybe not concerned enough to ride around on sloppy 
tires. We’ll see.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine and 
>> ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps and 
>> stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I know...
>> 
> 
> I can give you one good reason (besides comfort) why you might not want to 
> inflate wide tires to max pressure unless you've very heavy.  When you pump a 
> wide tire up to high pressure it can become very bouncy with a considerable 
> rebound on hard impacts, a bit like a basketball. That can, in some 
> circumstances, snatch the handlebars right out of your hands.  It happened to 
> me, and I crashed as a result, breaking my collar bone.  I'm not talking here 
> about the biopace-like surging you might get at very low pressure, where you 
> can feel the bike squishing the tires down on each pedal downstroke, but 
> rather the SPROING bounce you get when you throw a basketball down onto the 
> pavement.  
> 
> Your "bones rattling" comment reminds me of a time at Bike Virginia, back 
> when they still had dinner put on by a community organization.  I was 
> standing in line waiting for them to open, and couldn't help overhearing the 
> guy in front of me discussing tire pressure with his friends.  He looked a 
> bit like a football player - large, obviously over 250 lb.  He was from 
> Virginia Beach, and was talking about how much he enjoyed going downhill on 
> "the bridge" -- evidently, the only hill in town -- on his 19mm tires 
> inflated to 150 psi.  "Rock hard," he said, and at 30 mph the bike vibrated 
> so much he said "it really felt fast!"
> 
> It is true you don't get the same super cushy ride benefit from lower tire 
> pressure with chunky, rigid-sidewall tires as you do with supple tires with 
> flexible sidewalls, but there's still a benefit to having your tires as the 
> proper pressure for your weight.  At just under 100kg I'm well over the 
> Clydesdale line and there are very few tires that I need to inflate to the 
> "max pressure".  And I'll bet you a chocolate milkshake I weigh a lot more 
> than you do.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Alright, I’m just catching up since I had an event that went late into last 
night. I have opened the proverbial can of worms here. I was supposed to say, 
“Please figure out this tire problem. Tell me what to get and how to make the 
black speckles stop.” and you were supposed to say, “1. Do this. And 2. Do 
that.” And then problem solved, right?! 

I might be more conflicted than when I started regarding tires, but I DID order 
the Kool Stop brakes and will have those installed. I’m pretty sure that will 
stop the black speckling issue. As for tires, I know some have been ok with the 
Kendas and like how they keep the bike from taking itself too seriously 
(looks-wise) but I am going to switch them out. The Clementine feels, even on 
flat land, a big sluggish. I rarely shifted on my Betz but I need to on the 
Clementine, like the bike is always in a gear that’s a little too hard. I want 
to see if better tires would help that. 

So, in light of that, do we think Schwalbe Big Bens in 50 will be the ticket?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine 
> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps 
> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I 
> know...
>
>
I can give you one good reason (besides comfort) why you might not want to 
inflate wide tires to max pressure unless you've very heavy.  When you pump 
a wide tire up to high pressure it can become very bouncy with a 
considerable rebound on hard impacts, a bit like a basketball. That can, in 
some circumstances, snatch the handlebars right out of your hands.  It 
happened to me, and I crashed as a result, breaking my collar bone.  I'm 
not talking here about the biopace-like surging you might get at very low 
pressure, where you can feel the bike squishing the tires down on each 
pedal downstroke, but rather the SPROING bounce you get when you throw a 
basketball down onto the pavement.  

Your "bones rattling" comment reminds me of a time at Bike Virginia, back 
when they still had dinner put on by a community organization.  I was 
standing in line waiting for them to open, and couldn't help overhearing 
the guy in front of me discussing tire pressure with his friends.  He 
looked a bit like a football player - large, obviously over 250 lb.  He was 
from Virginia Beach, and was talking about how much he enjoyed going 
downhill on "the bridge" -- evidently, the only hill in town -- on his 19mm 
tires inflated to 150 psi.  "Rock hard," he said, and at 30 mph the bike 
vibrated so much he said "it *really* felt fast!"

It is true you don't get the same super cushy ride benefit from lower tire 
pressure with chunky, rigid-sidewall tires as you do with supple tires with 
flexible sidewalls, but there's still a benefit to having your tires as the 
proper pressure for your weight.  At just under 100kg I'm well over the 
Clydesdale line and there are very few tires that I need to inflate to the 
"max pressure".  And I'll bet you a chocolate milkshake I weigh a lot more 
than you do.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Patrick Moore]

Leah:  If you ever try some really nice tires, you will surprised at how
fast and smooth -- both together -- they feel at moderate pressures. This
advice from someone who used to pump his 35 mm Fatboys to 120 psi because
the sidewall told me to do that.

Even the Schwalbe Kojaks (I used the 32-real/35-labeled in 3 different
diameters, but they also come in a 50 mm width, I think) are sufficiently
more nice than, say, Marathon Racers that you can get by with a much lower
pressure before they start feeling as if you are riding in cold, cold
molasses. IME, nice tires have a wider range between "hard" and "bounce",
and between "fast" and "bow wow."

OTOH, when my daughter last had a bike, it had (1) cheap, stiff tires, (2)
thorn proof tubes -- these weighed as much as the tires; (3) a heavy tire
liner; (4) a bucket full of Slime in each tube. I tried reducing pressure
to, oh perhaps 35 psi where they belonged; molasses. Pumped them right up
again to "rock hard."

But that's with tires that are inferior by any standard except perhaps
puncture resistance and price.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:59 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine
> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps
> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I
> know...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>Well that's interesting PM !  I prolly weigh more/less in the same
> ballpark and I first tried the BB @ 25-30 psi but found the rear(Rhyno Lite
> rim) a bit bouncy on the road, and the front felt like it was gonna roll
> off the rim(25mm Mavic) when I leaned hard into corners.  Felt like is one
> story, actuality is another though and I wasn't in the mood to find out.  I
> suspect that sense of rollover though is from the large round profile
> tires, something I've never ridden before.  Off road I would go much lower
> though as these are not pleasant at 35 psi. !   I have lots of steep curvy
> roads around here
>
>On my "road" bike I run some Forte Metro 35mm tires @ 35-40 psi,
> sometimes less, and they feel awesome, though the 531ST tubing, long
> wheelbase and relaxed angles all help.
>
>
> Quite seriously, I don't want to step on Garth's or any one else's toes,
>> but I'm 175 lb and I ran 50 mm tires, and paper thin ones at that (Furious
>> Freds, 360 grams each) at 20 psi on dirt, sub 30 on pavement. 60s if stiff
>> sidewalled Big Apples at 16-17 dirt and about 21 pavement, supple ones
>> 18-20 dirt, 25-6 pavement (generally, I just leave them at the lower
>> pressure unless I take an extended pavement ride). I just found that when I
>> pump my 28 mm Compass extralights rock hard, the digital gauge reads 51
>> psi; should run them at 45. I put 80 f/90 rear in supple 22 mm tires. All
>> this often includes freight loads up to 40 lbs.
>>
>> Don't overfill! Pinch flats -- I *never* get pinch flats for some reason
>> -- can be avoided by being just a very little bit careful.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[David Bivins]

Leah, I'm the same. I pump them up!

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:15 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>   It doesn't matter what pressure Leah ... you're enjoying the ride and
> that's all that matters. Rules are for foolz !
>
>
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine
>> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps
>> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I
>> know...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

  It doesn't matter what pressure Leah ... you're enjoying the ride and 
that's all that matters. Rules are for foolz !


On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine 
> and ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps 
> and stay in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I 
> know...
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

Why does everyone love barely inflated tires? I put the max air in mine and 
ride them rock hard! Otherwise they feel flat to me. I fly over bumps and stay 
in the saddle and let my bones rattle! I’m doing it wrong, I know...

Sent from my iPad

>> On Sep 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>Well that's interesting PM !  I prolly weigh more/less in the same 
> ballpark and I first tried the BB @ 25-30 psi but found the rear(Rhyno Lite 
> rim) a bit bouncy on the road, and the front felt like it was gonna roll off 
> the rim(25mm Mavic) when I leaned hard into corners.  Felt like is one story, 
> actuality is another though and I wasn't in the mood to find out.  I suspect 
> that sense of rollover though is from the large round profile tires, 
> something I've never ridden before.  Off road I would go much lower though as 
> these are not pleasant at 35 psi. !   I have lots of steep curvy roads around 
> here
> 
>On my "road" bike I run some Forte Metro 35mm tires @ 35-40 psi, sometimes 
> less, and they feel awesome, though the 531ST tubing, long wheelbase and 
> relaxed angles all help. 
> 
> 
>> Quite seriously, I don't want to step on Garth's or any one else's toes, but 
>> I'm 175 lb and I ran 50 mm tires, and paper thin ones at that (Furious 
>> Freds, 360 grams each) at 20 psi on dirt, sub 30 on pavement. 60s if stiff 
>> sidewalled Big Apples at 16-17 dirt and about 21 pavement, supple ones 18-20 
>> dirt, 25-6 pavement (generally, I just leave them at the lower pressure 
>> unless I take an extended pavement ride). I just found that when I pump my 
>> 28 mm Compass extralights rock hard, the digital gauge reads 51 psi; should 
>> run them at 45. I put 80 f/90 rear in supple 22 mm tires. All this often 
>> includes freight loads up to 40 lbs.
>> 
>> Don't overfill! Pinch flats -- I never get pinch flats for some reason -- 
>> can be avoided by being just a very little bit careful.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

   Well that's interesting PM !  I prolly weigh more/less in the same 
ballpark and I first tried the BB @ 25-30 psi but found the rear(Rhyno Lite 
rim) a bit bouncy on the road, and the front felt like it was gonna roll 
off the rim(25mm Mavic) when I leaned hard into corners.  Felt like is one 
story, actuality is another though and I wasn't in the mood to find out.  I 
suspect that sense of rollover though is from the large round profile 
tires, something I've never ridden before.  Off road I would go much lower 
though as these are not pleasant at 35 psi. !   I have lots of steep curvy 
roads around here

   On my "road" bike I run some Forte Metro 35mm tires @ 35-40 psi, 
sometimes less, and they feel awesome, though the 531ST tubing, long 
wheelbase and relaxed angles all help. 


Quite seriously, I don't want to step on Garth's or any one else's toes, 
> but I'm 175 lb and I ran 50 mm tires, and paper thin ones at that (Furious 
> Freds, 360 grams each) at 20 psi on dirt, sub 30 on pavement. 60s if stiff 
> sidewalled Big Apples at 16-17 dirt and about 21 pavement, supple ones 
> 18-20 dirt, 25-6 pavement (generally, I just leave them at the lower 
> pressure unless I take an extended pavement ride). I just found that when I 
> pump my 28 mm Compass extralights rock hard, the digital gauge reads 51 
> psi; should run them at 45. I put 80 f/90 rear in supple 22 mm tires. All 
> this often includes freight loads up to 40 lbs.
>
> Don't overfill! Pinch flats -- I *never* get pinch flats for some reason 
> -- can be avoided by being just a very little bit careful.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[George Schick]

Be careful about buying Schwalbe Big Apple tires.  For many years (well 
over 15 IIRC) I had a pair of Schwalbe Big Apple 26x2.35" tires on my Surly 
1x1 and I loved everything about them.  They finally came to the end of the 
road this Summer when I rode across a stretch of pavement where 
construction workers had pulled the nails out of wooden forms for an 
adjacent concrete sidewalk and carelessly left them lying all over the 
place.  So I went to buy a new pair on-line and due to unclear and evasive 
descriptions of Schwalbe models I wound up mistakenly ordering a pair of 
2.15" Big Apple Plus tires.  They're ridiculously heavy (>750 gm's) and 
they ride like motorcycle tires due to the 3mm of protection guard.  Wish 
I'd been more careful

P.S.  If anyone out there is more interested in flat-proofness than ride 
quality I'd be willing to sell these tires for cheap.
 

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Ding! wrote:
>
> Ok, Friends, you’ve got me interested in the Schwalbe tires, and of those, 
> I think the Big Ben and the Big Apples sound good. I don’t know that I need 
> the tread of the Bens since I’m really a paved surface kinda gal. But I’m 
> open here! The next question is what size. I was out there with a 
> flashlight just now and I see the Clementine tires are Kenda “27.5 x 1.75.” 
> Just out of curiosity, I looked at my son’s 45 cm Clem, and he has Kenda 
> “26 x 2.10.” Can he really have fatter tires than me?! 
>
> I’m asking you and not Rivendell because I probably won’t order tires from 
> them. 
>
> You are lifesavers, 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Garth]

The Clem takes up to 60mm/2.4" tires, but with your fenders which are 
likely P50's(about 53-54 actual) the Big Ben 50's(46 or so actual) fit 
fine. I bought the BB over the Big Apples just for the extra tread and 
lifespan. Trust me, the tread does little if anything for traction on the 
road and nothing for off road. As I said they roll with ease !  It's a BA 
with 50 grams more rubber. 


On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:29:51 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
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> Ok, Friends, you’ve got me interested in the Schwalbe tires, and of those, 
> I think the Big Ben and the Big Apples sound good. I don’t know that I need 
> the tread of the Bens since I’m really a paved surface kinda gal. But I’m 
> open here! The next question is what size. I was out there with a 
> flashlight just now and I see the Clementine tires are Kenda “27.5 x 1.75.” 
> Just out of curiosity, I looked at my son’s 45 cm Clem, and he has Kenda 
> “26 x 2.10.” Can he really have fatter tires than me?! 
>
> I’m asking you and not Rivendell because I probably won’t order tires from 
> them. 
>
> You are lifesavers, 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ok, Friends, you’ve got me interested in the Schwalbe tires, and of those, I 
think the Big Ben and the Big Apples sound good. I don’t know that I need the 
tread of the Bens since I’m really a paved surface kinda gal. But I’m open 
here! The next question is what size. I was out there with a flashlight just 
now and I see the Clementine tires are Kenda “27.5 x 1.75.” Just out of 
curiosity, I looked at my son’s 45 cm Clem, and he has Kenda “26 x 2.10.” Can 
he really have fatter tires than me?! 

I’m asking you and not Rivendell because I probably won’t order tires from 
them. 

You are lifesavers,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Patrick Moore]

Quite seriously, I don't want to step on Garth's or any one else's toes,
but I'm 175 lb and I ran 50 mm tires, and paper thin ones at that (Furious
Freds, 360 grams each) at 20 psi on dirt, sub 30 on pavement. 60s if stiff
sidewalled Big Apples at 16-17 dirt and about 21 pavement, supple ones
18-20 dirt, 25-6 pavement (generally, I just leave them at the lower
pressure unless I take an extended pavement ride). I just found that when I
pump my 28 mm Compass extralights rock hard, the digital gauge reads 51
psi; should run them at 45. I put 80 f/90 rear in supple 22 mm tires. All
this often includes freight loads up to 40 lbs.

Don't overfill! Pinch flats -- I *never* get pinch flats for some reason --
can be avoided by being just a very little bit careful.



On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:07 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>
>   For your bike(27.5 wheels) Leah I'll second the 50mm Big Ben tires. I
> ride these on my Bombadil and I LOVE them on the road. I ride them at about
> 35 psi front and 40 rear.  They just roll and roll and roll it's
> amazingly fun !
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Clementine

[Leah Peterson]

Someone private messaged me and was nearly certain the brake pads are causing 
the smattering of black speckles, and I think he’s right. I ran my fingers over 
the brake pads and that same matter appeared on my fingers. With my brakes 
employed down the 1 mile descent to school, there would be a lot of opportunity 
for the stuff to accumulate on me and the bike.



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> Oh, I  meant to say, a short term solution might be simply washing your 
> tires/bike.
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