Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-17 Thread Patrick Moore
(Also note how I didn't lower the LX fd when I stopped using the 46 outer.
It shifts between 38 and 24 just fine.)


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a photo of the bbgBashguard. I ordered a 42 or 44 on sale and
 should have used a 40 or so, but it's not too bad. I think it looks better
 than the Sugino and at half the price and Made In the People's Republic of
 Portland it's a good deal.





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any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-17 Thread ted
Actually TA do make a 33t. I think it would be great if RBW would add a 110 
33t option to the collection of SILVER rings. 

On Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:41:25 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think 
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com


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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-17 Thread Brewster Fong


On Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:12:40 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 Actually TA do make a 33t. I think it would be great if RBW would add a 
 110 33t option to the collection of SILVER rings. 


Silver rings are made by Vuelta who also makes rings under a variety of 
other brand names - Salsa, Dimension, Willow, Engagement, etc.  However, 
the 33t is only made by TA. I talked to Vuelta a few years ago and there is 
no demand for a 33t by any mfr, so they're not interested in making one. TA 
is your only source. The best place to get one is Peter White Cycles. Good 
Luck! 


 On Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:41:25 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think 
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-17 Thread ted
Did they say there was demand for a 43? The TA 33 is available from Harris 
cyclery too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Jim Bronson
I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone can
point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd be
happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
 Just my POV, and YMMV.

Jim


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 with 8, 9 or 10 in the rear, a compact crank is everything you need, 11 to
 34 should cover everything, and you'll spend most of your time on the big
 ring.  When you get down to 5, 6 or 7 in the rear, a triple is an
 advantage, and 12 or 13 to 28 or 30 covers all your needs.  This why I like
 my Cyclotouriste triple, half-steps cuts the cliffs between rear cogs in
 half.  The triple is also so narrow it works with a venerable road double
 FD, and chain suck doesn't exist.


 On Friday, August 15, 2014 7:07:18 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I use the White Ind VBC crank on the Ram.  It looks and works great for
 less $$ than the Compass.  I also use the DaVinci crank, which is made by
 White.  It too gives a lot of flexibility along with standard 110 rings.

 Michael

 On Friday, August 15, 2014 1:33:19 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 So sounds like its doable if I wanna play with it one day.
 But costly, as I'll need new derailers and cranks, maybe bb and custom
 toothed rings. Maybe something to prepare as the wallet allows for future
 try out.

 Compass cycles Rene Herse cranks would be cool because you can change
 the rings without having to remove the crank arm, if I remember right,
  which would be great for an un-mechanic like myself.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or don't.
Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even though I
paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace the 36 --
tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same fd. Net
cost was less than $30 with postage.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone can
 point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd be
 happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Jim Bronson
Where do you get an attractive bash guard to replace the big ring?  I have
yet to find one that I like.
On Aug 16, 2014 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or don't.
 Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even though I
 paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace the 36 --
 tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same fd. Net
 cost was less than $30 with postage.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone can
 point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd be
 happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

 Jim



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 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot: look under Cyclocross, then 110 bcd.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine is like this one:

 http://www.bbgbashguard.com/images/IMG_2696.JPG

 Which I got for ~ $20 shipped.

 Home Here: http://www.bbgbashguard.com/index.html

 Don't know if these meet your esthetic standards, but that pictured
 offends not my sensibilities.

 Or just do without. I've run triples as compact doubles by simply ignoring
 the outer position. That don't look so bad (to my eyes) when installed on
 the bike.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Where do you get an attractive bash guard to replace the big ring?  I
 have yet to find one that I like.
 On Aug 16, 2014 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or
 don't. Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even
 though I paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace
 the 36 -- tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same
 fd. Net cost was less than $30 with postage.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone
 can point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd
 be happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

 Jim



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 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
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 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
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 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
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 in your 

Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Mine is like this one:

http://www.bbgbashguard.com/images/IMG_2696.JPG

Which I got for ~ $20 shipped.

Home Here: http://www.bbgbashguard.com/index.html

Don't know if these meet your esthetic standards, but that pictured offends
not my sensibilities.

Or just do without. I've run triples as compact doubles by simply ignoring
the outer position. That don't look so bad (to my eyes) when installed on
the bike.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where do you get an attractive bash guard to replace the big ring?  I have
 yet to find one that I like.
 On Aug 16, 2014 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or
 don't. Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even
 though I paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace
 the 36 -- tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same
 fd. Net cost was less than $30 with postage.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone can
 point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd be
 happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

 Jim



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   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
 you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If 

Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Jim Bronson
What does it look like installed?  I have an older octalink Ultegra triple
gathering dust that i could try the concept with.
On Aug 16, 2014 4:32 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine is like this one:

 http://www.bbgbashguard.com/images/IMG_2696.JPG

 Which I got for ~ $20 shipped.

 Home Here: http://www.bbgbashguard.com/index.html

 Don't know if these meet your esthetic standards, but that pictured
 offends not my sensibilities.

 Or just do without. I've run triples as compact doubles by simply ignoring
 the outer position. That don't look so bad (to my eyes) when installed on
 the bike.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Where do you get an attractive bash guard to replace the big ring?  I
 have yet to find one that I like.
 On Aug 16, 2014 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or
 don't. Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even
 though I paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace
 the 36 -- tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same
 fd. Net cost was less than $30 with postage.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone
 can point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd
 be happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

 Jim



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   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Sorry, am at Mom's while Fargo languishes at home. Mom is 91 and, while
fully compos mentis -- indeed, sharp -- is physically frail and requires my
frequent presence.

Will try to remember to photo and post tomorrow.

Immediate single word answer: Good.

PAM


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does it look like installed?  I have an older octalink Ultegra triple
 gathering dust that i could try the concept with.
 On Aug 16, 2014 4:32 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine is like this one:

 http://www.bbgbashguard.com/images/IMG_2696.JPG

 Which I got for ~ $20 shipped.

 Home Here: http://www.bbgbashguard.com/index.html

 Don't know if these meet your esthetic standards, but that pictured
 offends not my sensibilities.

 Or just do without. I've run triples as compact doubles by simply
 ignoring the outer position. That don't look so bad (to my eyes) when
 installed on the bike.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Where do you get an attractive bash guard to replace the big ring?  I
 have yet to find one that I like.
 On Aug 16, 2014 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Take one Sugino triple. Remove outer ring, replace with guard -- or
 don't. Voila: a compact double. Pretty cost effective in my book, even
 though I paid $20 shipped for the guard and $30 or so for a 38 to replace
 the 36 -- tho' I made $ back when I flipped the 36. Used same bb and same
 fd. Net cost was less than $30 with postage.


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree with what you say in theory, but triples are a lot more cost
 effective.  I bought my XD600 for $88 on ebikestop.com.  If someone
 can point out where I can get a wide-low double for that kind of loot, I'd
 be happy to buy one.  I have no interest in forking over $400+ for one of
 Jan's Rene Herse doubles, or one of the many TA reproductions for $200+.
  Just my POV, and YMMV.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Simple bashtype guard:

https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think 
couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
get as small as 34/24.

Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size (what
I use to cover the 38 t big ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks better.

I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.




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wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Robert Barr
Patrick - In your note you wrote  meet your esthetic standards  I
like the look of the Sugino guard, and have two bikes with them, and am
ready to order a third. I don't care for the look of the bbgbashguard
products (or most other guards), and will stay with the Sugino despite the
price difference. I don't know if that makes me loyal or stupid - I have
been called both, but I do like the look of the smooth polished Sugino. All
the best wishes for your mother, I was fortunate to be able to care for
mine for the last four years. It is a remarkable journey. Best,  Bob
(Indianapolis).


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
 bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
 get as small as 34/24.

 Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size (what
 I use to cover the 38 t big ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks better.

 I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
 less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.




 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Jim Bronson
Where does one purchase the Sugino guard?
On Aug 16, 2014 9:52 PM, Robert Barr rcba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick - In your note you wrote  meet your esthetic standards  I
 like the look of the Sugino guard, and have two bikes with them, and am
 ready to order a third. I don't care for the look of the bbgbashguard
 products (or most other guards), and will stay with the Sugino despite the
 price difference. I don't know if that makes me loyal or stupid - I have
 been called both, but I do like the look of the smooth polished Sugino. All
 the best wishes for your mother, I was fortunate to be able to care for
 mine for the last four years. It is a remarkable journey. Best,  Bob
 (Indianapolis).


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
 bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
 get as small as 34/24.

 Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size
 (what I use to cover the 38 t big ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks
 better.

 I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
 less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.




 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
  wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-16 Thread Robert Barr
I suspect there are a number of places to buy the Sugino guard - I would
buy it here: https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where does one purchase the Sugino guard?
 On Aug 16, 2014 9:52 PM, Robert Barr rcba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick - In your note you wrote  meet your esthetic standards  I
 like the look of the Sugino guard, and have two bikes with them, and am
 ready to order a third. I don't care for the look of the bbgbashguard
 products (or most other guards), and will stay with the Sugino despite the
 price difference. I don't know if that makes me loyal or stupid - I have
 been called both, but I do like the look of the smooth polished Sugino. All
 the best wishes for your mother, I was fortunate to be able to care for
 mine for the last four years. It is a remarkable journey. Best,  Bob
 (Indianapolis).


 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
 bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
 get as small as 34/24.

 Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size
 (what I use to cover the 38 t big ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks
 better.

 I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
 less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.




 On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim 
 cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Simple bashtype guard:

 https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

 Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
 couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.

 - J / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-15 Thread Bertin753
My sub compact double (38-24) uses the same XD2 and LX fd as the prior triple 
(46-36-24). I didn't even move the fd.

Patrick Moore
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 On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:33 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So sounds like its doable if I wanna play with it one day.
 But costly, as I'll need new derailers and cranks, maybe bb and custom 
 toothed rings. Maybe something to prepare as the wallet allows for future try 
 out.
 
 Compass cycles Rene Herse cranks would be cool because you can change the 
 rings without having to remove the crank arm, if I remember right,  which 
 would be great for an un-mechanic like myself.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-14 Thread Patrick Moore
I always set up my drivetrains so that the cruising cruising cogs are as
much as possible lined up with the cruising ring. Since I also like close
steps in the cruising range, I sometimes give up high and low gears to
achieve this, but that's fine with me. When my cruising gear was the outer
46 of a 46/36/24 triple and the middle cog (20) of a 16-34 7, I moved the
crankset inward a bit and felt comfortable using the 46 with all 7 cogs. (I
later swapped the triple for a 38/24, putting the 38 in the middle position
and moving the bb back outward. Now a 13-27 9 speed.)

This obsession with a straight chain directly contradicts what I think is,
in reality, a good rule of thumb: if your chain is the right length, and,
when you backpedal fast, your chain doesn't slip off the cog or ring, and
doesn't make odd noises, you are probably safe at least for moderate use.

Patrick consistency etc Moore

On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:06:27 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Where are you supposed to cruise on your front rings and rear cassette if
 you have a cc? In the big ring while in the middle of the cassette?

 If so, then according to the Sheldon calculator, based on my cruising area
 of my XD2 triple/9-speed cassette setup's gear inches, I would need a 30/42
 compact crankset to cruise in the middle area of the big ring of a cc and
 then use the 30 ring for me little gears. Staying in the big one would
 minimize front shifting, too. I don't need more than 100 inches, so 42 x 11
 would be fine as my big inches combo. I don't think I would spin out of it.

 Is this how I should do it? Just wundrin' if I ever want to give it a try.
 I had a used bike once with a 34-50/ 12-28 (I think)  that didn't work well
 because I had to live on the small ring, and still didn't have anything
 small enough for the steep stuff.

 Where do you cruise in your cc setup?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-14 Thread Ron Mc
I think Patrick nailed it - good chainline is good for a lot of reasons - 
one of them is just peace and quiet.  

On Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:26:01 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I always set up my drivetrains so that the cruising cruising cogs are as 
 much as possible lined up with the cruising ring. Since I also like close 
 steps in the cruising range, I sometimes give up high and low gears to 
 achieve this, but that's fine with me. When my cruising gear was the outer 
 46 of a 46/36/24 triple and the middle cog (20) of a 16-34 7, I moved the 
 crankset inward a bit and felt comfortable using the 46 with all 7 cogs. (I 
 later swapped the triple for a 38/24, putting the 38 in the middle position 
 and moving the bb back outward. Now a 13-27 9 speed.)

 This obsession with a straight chain directly contradicts what I think is, 
 in reality, a good rule of thumb: if your chain is the right length, and, 
 when you backpedal fast, your chain doesn't slip off the cog or ring, and 
 doesn't make odd noises, you are probably safe at least for moderate use.

 Patrick consistency etc Moore

 On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:06:27 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Where are you supposed to cruise on your front rings and rear cassette if 
 you have a cc? In the big ring while in the middle of the cassette?

 If so, then according to the Sheldon calculator, based on my cruising 
 area of my XD2 triple/9-speed cassette setup's gear inches, I would need a 
 30/42 compact crankset to cruise in the middle area of the big ring of a cc 
 and then use the 30 ring for me little gears. Staying in the big one would 
 minimize front shifting, too. I don't need more than 100 inches, so 42 x 11 
 would be fine as my big inches combo. I don't think I would spin out of it.

 Is this how I should do it? Just wundrin' if I ever want to give it a 
 try. I had a used bike once with a 34-50/ 12-28 (I think)  that didn't work 
 well because I had to live on the small ring, and still didn't have 
 anything small enough for the steep stuff.

 Where do you cruise in your cc setup?

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

2014-08-14 Thread Dan McNamara
On one bike I am playing with 46/28 and the Riv-spec'd 8 speed IRD 12-34.
According to Sheldon that gives a range of 99.7 - 35.2 on the big ring. I
am treating the small ring as a bailout - which comes in handy in Marin for
the over 50 crowd. No issues on either ring across the cassette. Which is a
nice change from using using a triple up front. And shifting to the small
ring for a stop has been a good technique.

A couple of times I have thought that having 11 on the cassette would be
nice - usually when I am spun out and a racer-type blows past pedaling
strong. But it probably better to tuck at that point.

Cranks are Suntour XCD with TA rings.

Dan






On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Jayme Frye jayme.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm very fond of a Wide-Low arrangement and run a 40-26 chainring with a
 12-27. I have also experimented with 13-28 and 11-25 and have found the
 12-27 is a good fit for me (over 40 crowd), the terrain I ride (rolling
 gravel roads of the Midwest) and the people I ride with (non racers). I'm
 able to push the big ring 80% of the time even on the rollers and generally
 only need the bailout when I get deep into 100+ mile day or the grade
 and/or lack of traction require it.
 Cheers
 Jayme Frye

 On Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:06:27 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Where are you supposed to cruise on your front rings and rear cassette if
 you have a cc? In the big ring while in the middle of the cassette?

 If so, then according to the Sheldon calculator, based on my cruising
 area of my XD2 triple/9-speed cassette setup's gear inches, I would need a
 30/42 compact crankset to cruise in the middle area of the big ring of a cc
 and then use the 30 ring for me little gears. Staying in the big one would
 minimize front shifting, too. I don't need more than 100 inches, so 42 x 11
 would be fine as my big inches combo. I don't think I would spin out of it.

 Is this how I should do it? Just wundrin' if I ever want to give it a
 try. I had a used bike once with a 34-50/ 12-28 (I think)  that didn't work
 well because I had to live on the small ring, and still didn't have
 anything small enough for the steep stuff.

 Where do you cruise in your cc setup?

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