Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Minh]

For those that have experience with both, some input please?  I've got a 
set of 700c Honjos on the shelf i picked up a few months ago (closeout, 
couldn't resist).  My plan was to replace the existing VOs on my Hillborne. 
 At the moment i'm having a hard time rationalizing the switch, the only 
meaningful reason i can think of is that my VOs use the old bolts so 
toe-overlap is a real problem for me on the front.  But other than that i'm 
pretty happy with them, i've dialed in the install, they don't rattle, the 
super long mudflaps that catch every speedbump don't affect them, i've beat 
them up and they've held up fine.  They're stainless steel so a bit heavier 
but the weight is not a huge concern for me, and i'm thinking of getting 
one of Anton's fender light mounts so SS may be better than AL in that 
case?  

Anyone else in a similar situation?  what made you finally switch them out? 
 

Oh and i am going from fluted fenders (VO) to hammered (Honjo) and i have 
to say the hammered look pretty bossmaybe that's a good enough reason.

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Scott Henry]

I will also toss out the option of Handsome Cycles MudButler Fenders
http://handsomecycles.com/products/silver-fenders
Black or silver, priced compairable to Velo Orange too.   Ive used them and
they are long and easy to mount.

I've got a bike in the stand right now that needs some fenders, the current
42mm tires aren't making fender mounting too easy.
Scott

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I dont think they make hammered fenders either.
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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Paul G]

Boy, if her brifter was able to hit your rear fender, she must have had her 
bars slammed lower than low!


On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right 
> brifter lever glancing the fender left of center, leaving a 3" crease in 
> the aluminum. Something in her lever let go from that and no longer worked 
> as new.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[ascpgh]

Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right 
brifter lever glancing the fender left of center, leaving a 3" crease in 
the aluminum. Something in her lever let go from that and no longer worked 
as new. 

I installed my 40mm VO fenders rotated an additional 3" rearward to cover 
more wheel since I'm in rain and wetness often. My flap goes down pretty 
low to keep the spray off feet and drivetrain. Foil tape over the 
pre-drilled hole is fine, but I do note the forward discharge from the 
wheel getting me wet more in this configuration ue to the shorter forward 
projection. 

My lesson from that is that only the rolled metal can structurally reach 
forward and give cover from forward wheel spray, any shortage of length on 
the rear can be managed with an added flap, as long as a nominal amount of 
fender is back there. The flap cannot be hanging on the rear of the wheel. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 11:08:27 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Jitensha has complete instructions for Honjos: 
> http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
>
> (They also have some geared hubs, and some nice old shoes if you wear 
> 37-41, on remainder.)
>
> Andy: what happened to the other rider's CF bike, to make it inoperable? 
> And you came away with a slight dent in the fender?
>
> FWIW, the once or twice I've used VOs, the coverage was very complete -- I 
> didn't even need a mud flap in front, as the fender came down to 3" or so 
> from the ground -- this a 700C X 35 fender on a 700C X 29 tire.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM, ascpgh  
> wrote:
>
>> I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and 
>> that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.
>>
>> Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are 
>> careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I 
>> got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan 
>> Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey, 
>> unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.
>>
>> The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a 
>> plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight 
>> downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a 
>> Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo 
>> vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.
>>
>> VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned 
>> on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate 
>> more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best 
>> spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length 
>> than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the 
>> bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills 
>> with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are 
>> lost in their performance of function. 
>>
>> Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage, 
>> don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after 
>> reading the BQ article. 
>>
>> VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your 
>> installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the 
>> comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to 
>> just take them to a bike shop, don't. 
>>
>> Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity 
>> of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the 
>> execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will 
>> revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very 
>> informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain 
>> fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low 
>> frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks, 
>> etc. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Patrick Moore]

Jitensha has complete instructions for Honjos:
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html

(They also have some geared hubs, and some nice old shoes if you wear
37-41, on remainder.)

Andy: what happened to the other rider's CF bike, to make it inoperable?
And you came away with a slight dent in the fender?

FWIW, the once or twice I've used VOs, the coverage was very complete -- I
didn't even need a mud flap in front, as the fender came down to 3" or so
from the ground -- this a 700C X 35 fender on a 700C X 29 tire.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and
> that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.
>
> Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are
> careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I
> got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan
> Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey,
> unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.
>
> The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a
> plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight
> downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a
> Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo
> vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.
>
> VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned
> on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate
> more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best
> spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length
> than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the
> bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills
> with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are
> lost in their performance of function.
>
> Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage,
> don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after
> reading the BQ article.
>
> VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your
> installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the
> comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to
> just take them to a bike shop, don't.
>
> Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity
> of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the
> execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will
> revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very
> informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain
> fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low
> frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks,
> etc.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Steve Palincsar]

Some Honjos come pre-drilled, others have not.  Some Honjos have even 
come with a flat area already made for under the fork crown.  I have 
several sets of Honjos purchased from various sources over the past 9 or 
10 years, and one set of VO purchased just prior to last Christmas.  I 
think my VO are made of thinner material than my Honjos, but I wouldn't 
swear to it or claim that this is true of all VO vs Honjo fenders.  One 
thing I think is true is that the folded under edge under the fender, 
where you can't see it, is far more nicely finished with the Honjos, all 
of them, than with the VO.  At one time, VO fenders used to come with 
only one draw bolt, but that's changed now - a significant improvement 
because a single draw bolt mount is rather prone to rattling.  VO 
fenders are much cheaper, especially when you buy them during the 
pre-Christmas sale, as I did.


On 05/12/2016 07:04 AM, ascpgh wrote:
I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and 
that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.


Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you 
are careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other 
chores (I got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). 
Used Jan Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and 
quiet. Pricey, unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good 
visual result.


The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a 
plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a 
stoplight downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to 
preserve a Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a 
result. Honjo vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment 
to ride on.


VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having 
learned on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one 
to rotate more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long 
flap for best spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit 
less coverage length than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the 
price. Have taken the bashing of year round commuting, parking in 
racks and a couple of spills with aplomb and no visible damage. 
Whatever negatives they may have are lost in their performance of 
function.


Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage, 
don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough 
after reading the BQ article.


VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for 
your installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in 
length to the comparable product. You still have to install them. Even 
if you intend to just take them to a bike shop, don't.


Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more 
acuity of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude 
of the execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride 
this fact will revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you 
patronize a very informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the 
mainstream and remain fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and 
skill in bizarre low frequency subjects like low trail, hub 
generators, fenders, bags and racks, etc.




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