Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Andrew Turner]

Just discovered the 2020 Roadini's will facilitate that. If I had waited a 
year, that probably would've been my forever bike. 

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 7:50:22 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Has anyone fit jack brown tires with fenders on their Roadini? 
>
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you, everyone, for your input. I didn't end up bidding on the XO-1. 
>> I'm going to call Riv about a Roadini shortly!
>>
>> Zack in Toronto
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM EGNolan  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a Handsome XOXO, a tigged re-make of the XO-1. I also have a 
>>> Roadini. I love both bikes and it would be a hard choice to have one, but 
>>> I'd go Roadini. It's a refined bike, and will give you many more years of 
>>> enjoyment. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

 I'd love to know how this turned out. That XO is gone. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Andrew Turner]

Has anyone fit jack brown tires with fenders on their Roadini? 

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, everyone, for your input. I didn't end up bidding on the XO-1. 
> I'm going to call Riv about a Roadini shortly!
>
> Zack in Toronto
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM EGNolan  wrote:
>
>> I've got a Handsome XOXO, a tigged re-make of the XO-1. I also have a 
>> Roadini. I love both bikes and it would be a hard choice to have one, but 
>> I'd go Roadini. It's a refined bike, and will give you many more years of 
>> enjoyment. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>>> I'd love to know how this turned out. That XO is gone. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

Thank you, everyone, for your input. I didn't end up bidding on the XO-1.
I'm going to call Riv about a Roadini shortly!

Zack in Toronto

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM EGNolan  wrote:

> I've got a Handsome XOXO, a tigged re-make of the XO-1. I also have a
> Roadini. I love both bikes and it would be a hard choice to have one, but
> I'd go Roadini. It's a refined bike, and will give you many more years of
> enjoyment.
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>> I'd love to know how this turned out. That XO is gone.
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Nate in Oakland]

I just bought a new 54cm roadini this week, built it up with mostly leftover 
parts (as quick as possible without sleeping) and took it for a shake down ride 
in the hills yesterday evening.  The ride climbs 1200 ft or so on not great 
roads and descends quickly on pretty sketchy road.

I ride this a couple time a week on my Atlantis or Sam.  On the Roadini, I was 
in a bigger gear the whole time.  I was suddenly passing several carbon bikes.  
The ride was twitchier than my other bikes but still very stable.  Def a fast 
roadish bike even (maybe because of?) with 38mm Barlow pass el.  The stack and 
reach on the roadini make it more suited for drops than any other riv without 
funny stems.

If I had to have one bike and choose between a homer and a roadini, I’d take 
the homer for the utility, smoothness, and lugs.  Roadini is a really good 
second or third bike.

Nate

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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[R Shannon]

Zack,

Your question refers to the Homer.
Mine checks all the boxes. Did a 46 mile ride on it yesterday in 90 degree temp.
Ride quality: Smooth as silk. 
Luxury: As far as appearance goes -It’s a looker for sure.
Speed: How fast do you need to go?

Best,
Rich in ATL



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> On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Zack Medow  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jason, when you say luxury, are you just referring to the aesthetics of also 
> the ride quality. 
> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The XO-1 is a very cool collector item, but I'll come right out and say it: 
>> it is overpriced for its ride quality, due to its collector status. For a 
>> Sunday driver I think it's a great bike but for an everyday, long distance 
>> road bike, the Roadini has another 30 years of Grant's experience built into 
>> it despite the modest TIG welds.  I would also consider the Homer, if you 
>> don't mind giving up a little bit of speed for a whole lot of luxury.  
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Zack, check out this "Mark's build" on the Garage Sale page. Then go buy it! 

https://www.rivbike.com/products/50cm-roadini-web-special-complete-mark-spec

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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[David Johnston]

A used Bleriot or San Marcos should also be on your short list.

-Dave J

On 7/13/20, Zack Medow  wrote:
> Agreed. I made this post to the group a few days ago when the price was
> still reasonable! Definitely off my list now. And encouraging to know that
> all of you would prefer the Roadini anyway.
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:04:52 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Oof, I've seen the XO you're looking at..your competition for bidding have
>>
>> lost their minds! It's a lovely piece of history but I don't think they're
>>
>> worth what those folks seem willing to pay. Modern Rivs are better bikes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

Yeah I'm really glad I didn't waste my time bidding on it.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> $2515?? No. That's madness.
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

I’d be getting a 50cm. My understanding is that the newest models have wider 
clearance and can clear a 38mm or 33mm with a fender. 

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:31 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you sure that a Roadini will fit 38mm tires? Would you be getting the 
> 47cm size that is built for 650b or one of the larger sizes that is 700c?
> 
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:47:40 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>> RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!
>> 
>> I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 
>> 
>> I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
>> Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
>> there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 
>> 
>> I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
>> light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
>> concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
>> without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 
>> 
>> Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

Many thanks, Rich! For me it was down to a Roadini or a Homer. The fact that 
Riv just sold out of my size in Homers really decided it for me. 

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:42 AM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Zack,
> 
> No experience with a Roadini but a synopsis of 
> my current Rivs:
> 
> MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on past 
> observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames weigh 
> about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and snappier than 
> my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam have identical 
> builds and geometry.
> 
> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
> 
> MUSA Atlantis - Size 53 with 26" wheels. The Atlantis is in a class by itself 
> with the smaller wheels, less slack geometry, the term "planted" comes to 
> mind, and likely different tubing from the Sam.
> 
> Whichever Riv you decide on, you can't go wrong.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
> 
> 
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>> RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!
>> 
>> I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 
>> 
>> I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
>> Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
>> there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 
>> 
>> I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
>> light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
>> concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
>> without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 
>> 
>> Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

Jason, when you say luxury, are you just referring to the aesthetics of also 
the ride quality. 

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> 
> The XO-1 is a very cool collector item, but I'll come right out and say it: 
> it is overpriced for its ride quality, due to its collector status. For a 
> Sunday driver I think it's a great bike but for an everyday, long distance 
> road bike, the Roadini has another 30 years of Grant's experience built into 
> it despite the modest TIG welds.  I would also consider the Homer, if you 
> don't mind giving up a little bit of speed for a whole lot of luxury.  
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

$2515?? No. That's madness. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Robert Tilley]

  I sold my all original '93 XO-1 years back for around $900. I should have kept it so I could cash in now. There is no way that bike is worth $2,500. Especially when you could pick up a used Riv for less.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: July 16, 2020 6:31 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini  $2,515.00, pick up only in MA!!! (I have to think some out of state bidders made arrangements to get it to a bike shop for shipping). Holy cow. I know, the orange, in top condition. But really. Any modern used Rivendell would be a better deal as a rider. If you can hold out a bit, maybe pick up a suitable vintage machine for a couple hundred, I think the Charlie H. Gallup, (which is being prototyped in orange) looks like it would blow away the XO-1 in every respect except perhaps joinery.  I'm imagining the frame/fork will be similar price to the Clems, so you could build up a brand-new Charlie, with racks, luggage, lighting if desired for $2,500, and still have some change in the pocket.On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:I'd love to know how this turned out. That XO is gone. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[R Shannon]

Yes, I have similar dreams about swapping this part or that part on whichever 
bike or a custom or a. . .

It never stops does it?

Keep on dreaming!
Rich in ATL

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Interesting info Rich, now you've got me dreaming about swapping my Sam bits 
> onto a Homer and rebuilding the Sam as an upright bike. I use the Sam for 
> long distance road riding a lot, with light loads. I know the frame is overly 
> stout for that job, but it still goes pretty well!  I'll also point it down 
> some fairly rough trails too, though.  
> 
>> On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 at 07:42:29 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Zack,
>> 
>> No experience with a Roadini but a synopsis of 
>> my current Rivs:
>> 
>> MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on past 
>> observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames 
>> weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
>> have identical builds and geometry.
>> 
>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
>> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
>> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>> 
>> MUSA Atlantis - Size 53 with 26" wheels. The Atlantis is in a class by 
>> itself with the smaller wheels, less slack geometry, the term "planted" 
>> comes to mind, and likely different tubing from the Sam.
>> 
>> Whichever Riv you decide on, you can't go wrong.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[masmojo]

I had a 92 XO-1 for 23 years and it is a lovely machine. I  would have kept 
mine had I gotten the proper size all those years ago. When I was younger I 
could ride a small bike, with no problem, 
There are some advantages to the XO I find it to be much more compliant then 
many of the later Rivendells made for being loaded with bags and gear. I 
replaced my XO with a Toyo Atlantis, to me they are the most comparable; the 
Atlantis is super light as is the XO, but what the Atlantis gives up in 
compliance it makes up in usability and versatility. They both have 26" wheels 
which is a unique sensation on a radish bike; acceleration from ip stop is so 
much fun; when you lay into the pedals there a feeling of getting up to speed 
very quickly that doesn't happen with 650B or 700.
The Roadini is a great bike, but if you are concerned with beefier tires maybe 
the Sam is a better choice!? Or maybe a Homer?
Actually, I'd recommend an Older Atlantis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Lyman Labry]

I can vouch for the Homer being luxurious.  I was considering a Roadini or
a custom 90’s Rivendell bike for sale on their website.  Grant recommended
the Homer instead.  It’s been an awesome ride.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:29 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> The XO-1 is a very cool collector item, but I'll come right out and say
> it: it is overpriced for its ride quality, due to its collector status. For
> a Sunday driver I think it's a great bike but for an everyday, long
> distance road bike, the Roadini has another 30 years of Grant's experience
> built into it despite the modest TIG welds.  I would also consider the
> Homer, if you don't mind giving up a little bit of speed for a whole lot of
> luxury.
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