[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Jon BALER]

Nevermind, didn't realize this was asking about tandems.

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking 
at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you 
have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We 
still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some 
coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't 
have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!

Tim

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
> More info. @cowboygrrl
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
>> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
>> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
>> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>>
>

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[RBW] Errandonee 2017

[Deacon Patrick]

Here’s ta rules: 
https://chasingmailboxes.com/category/errandonnee/errandonnee-rules/

Here’s me adventures so fer…
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonee-2017

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Charlie R]

A better picture of the lavender Atlantis - should have kept it...

Charlie 



On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 7:59:20 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the 
> decals.  As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw 
> lavender in the ring which could be real cool.

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Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Tim Gavin]

The levers on Pano's build appear to be Origin8 Classique levers.

https://stuffdavelikes.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/diacompe-and-trp-drilled-brake-levers/

They're pretty good for the price, but not as nice as TRP RRL's.  But in
this sideways application, you're not using the biggest advantage of the
RRLs (ergonomics), so the Origin8's may be the better lever on Albastaches.

Personally, I used non-aero brake levers with moustache bars.  The cable
routing out the tops just works perfectly with those bars.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM, WETH  wrote:

> I agree that is a beautiful bike!  Every detail has been well thought out
> and beautifully implemented. One of my top 5 favorite bikes!
> From the photos it appears Pano is in the D.C. area.  If so, I would enjoy
> meeting up to see this awesome bike!
> Best wishes,
> Erl
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Charlie R]

Lavender you say

A lavender Atlantis from a previous life..

Would be a great color..

Charlie



On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 7:59:20 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the 
> decals.  As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw 
> lavender in the ring which could be real cool.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jonathan Donehower]

I think the Sam is a great bike and probably would work for all of my needs. I 
like that the Joe does provide the option for wider tires though 40mm is 
probably as wide as I would need and that it represents an evolution of Grant's 
philosophy and of the Atlantis. I am in Portland and might build up the Joe 
frame from Rivelo. 

If I did convert the Rom are there any tips? I assume I would need knew brakes, 
wheels of course,...

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Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Steve Palincsar]

Pano in fact is in the DC area.  I've been on a couple of rides with him 
in Southern Maryland this month when he brought that bike.  It's 
actually nicer looking in real life than it is in those photographs.



On 03/24/2017 12:05 PM, WETH wrote:

I agree that is a beautiful bike!  Every detail has been well thought out and 
beautifully implemented. One of my top 5 favorite bikes!
>From the photos it appears Pano is in the D.C. area.  If so, I would enjoy 
meeting up to see this awesome bike!
Best wishes,
Erl



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[RBW] Re: Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Philip Kim]

that bike looks dialed. i've never seen a front fender mounted on the 
mid-fork brazeons like that before. interesting, i wonder why?

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 11:57:46 AM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Noticed  a couple of shots of that beautiful burnt orange custom of Pano's 
> fully built up.
>
> That bike looks gorgeous
>
> e.g.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146516191@N05/33161008102/in/pool-rivendell/  
> 
>
> Really classy!
>
> So Pano
>
> Apologies if I'm outing you but I couldn't resist. I was curious to see 
> how your bike would turn out. It's splendid looking,
>
> How do you like the ride? Do you like the Albastache bars?
>
> What brake levers are you using. At first I thought they were TRPs but 
> they don't look like them.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Philip Kim]

understood, but why not on the eyelet at the fork drop outs?

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:31:32 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 03/24/2017 01:24 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> that bike looks dialed. i've never seen a front fender mounted on the 
> mid-fork brazeons like that before. interesting, i wonder why?
>
>
>
> Jan showed a setup like that in BQ last year.  The purpose is to support 
> the front section of the fender.  If you have a long front fender and no 
> rack to tie the front of the fender to for support, the front of the fender 
> can wobble around and that eventually will cause the fender to break.  Pano 
> was justifiably quite proud of the job he did bending the stay to make it 
> look like that.
>
> I had a similar situation with my George Longstaff, but because I have no 
> mid-fork braze-on to anchor the extra fender stay to I had to fasten both 
> the front and the rear fender stay to the fork eyelet:
>
>
>
>
>
> As you can see, clearances are very tight, and you have to measure the 
> stay exactly to leave room.  What you can't see is the Presta valve lock 
> not (aka "dork nut") that I'm using as a spacer between the two R clips.
>

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
#coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
love to follow you and support your group.

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking 
> at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you 
> have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We 
> still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some 
> coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't 
> have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
> something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>
> Tim
>
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
>> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
>> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
>> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
>> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
>> More info. @cowboygrrl
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
>>> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
>>> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
>>> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Errandonee 2017

[Ryan Fleming]

Heroic!

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:38:36 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Here’s ta rules: 
> https://chasingmailboxes.com/category/errandonnee/errandonnee-rules/ 
>
> Here’s me adventures so fer… 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonee-2017 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Steve Palincsar]

Owner's choice, I guess.  It does look nifty that way -- if it's an 
option for you.  In my case, lacking the mid-fork mounting point, I had 
no choice.



On 03/24/2017 01:43 PM, Philip Kim wrote:

understood, but why not on the eyelet at the fork drop outs?

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:31:32 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 03/24/2017 01:24 PM, Philip Kim wrote:

that bike looks dialed. i've never seen a front fender mounted on
the mid-fork brazeons like that before. interesting, i wonder why?



Jan showed a setup like that in BQ last year.  The purpose is to
support the front section of the fender.  If you have a long front
fender and no rack to tie the front of the fender to for support,
the front of the fender can wobble around and that eventually will
cause the fender to break. Pano was justifiably quite proud of the
job he did bending the stay to make it look like that.

I had a similar situation with my George Longstaff, but because I
have no mid-fork braze-on to anchor the extra fender stay to I had
to fasten both the front and the rear fender stay to the fork eyelet:





As you can see, clearances are very tight, and you have to measure
the stay exactly to leave room.  What you can't see is the Presta
valve lock not (aka "dork nut") that I'm using as a spacer between
the two R clips.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Sackville, Chris King, Schwalbe

[ant ritchey]

pics here:
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/6058551635.html

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hey folks. Got a few things to move along here. Prices do not include 
> shipping. PM/text (724757935ATE) for photos.
>
> Sackville Saddlebag Large, olive. $175
> Older model with the metal tag & stamped serial number. Very good 
> condition except for some suspected "tombstone abuse", where the leather 
> slot seems to have splayed out a centimeter or so on either side (see 
> image). Canvas & zippers are all in very good and all leather recently 
> treated. "Removable flaptop pocket" included, also in very good condition. 
> Includes two 14" leather straps w/ buckles & two 14" leather straps w/ 
> snaps.
>
> Chris King 2Nut 1" threaded headset, silver w/ spacers. $95
> Super beautiful and hardly used. Professionally installed/uninstalled. 
> Excellent condition.
>
> Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.10, folding. $40
> Tires have seen less than 30 miles. Very clean. Some schmutz from a 
> tubeless install but otherwise pristine.
>
> Trade interest: Nitto "HiRiser stem" nice silver 650b wheelset, heat 
> treated Albatross, King Iris &/or Many Thing cages, Pass & Stow...
>
> Ant Ritchey in Portland OR, soon to be crossposted as usual...
>

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[RBW] FS - Sackville, Chris King, Schwalbe

[ant ritchey]

Hey folks. Got a few things to move along here. Prices do not include 
shipping. PM/text (724757935ATE) for photos.

Sackville Saddlebag Large, olive. $175
Older model with the metal tag & stamped serial number. Very good condition 
except for some suspected "tombstone abuse", where the leather slot seems 
to have splayed out a centimeter or so on either side (see image). Canvas & 
zippers are all in very good and all leather recently treated. "Removable 
flaptop pocket" included, also in very good condition. Includes two 14" 
leather straps w/ buckles & two 14" leather straps w/ snaps.

Chris King 2Nut 1" threaded headset, silver w/ spacers. $95
Super beautiful and hardly used. Professionally installed/uninstalled. 
Excellent condition.

Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.10, folding. $40
Tires have seen less than 30 miles. Very clean. Some schmutz from a 
tubeless install but otherwise pristine.

Trade interest: Nitto "HiRiser stem" nice silver 650b wheelset, heat 
treated Albatross, King Iris &/or Many Thing cages, Pass & Stow...

Ant Ritchey in Portland OR, soon to be crossposted as usual...

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[RBW] Re: Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[EasyRider]

I really like the dynamo wire routing on the back of the fork leg. I like 
the bent fender stays too. A nice little detail to think about, and it's a 
little out of the ordinary.

PB
Arlington, VA

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 11:57:46 AM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Noticed  a couple of shots of that beautiful burnt orange custom of Pano's 
> fully built up.
>
> That bike looks gorgeous
>
> e.g.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146516191@N05/33161008102/in/pool-rivendell/  
> 
>
> Really classy!
>
> So Pano
>
> Apologies if I'm outing you but I couldn't resist. I was curious to see 
> how your bike would turn out. It's splendid looking,
>
> How do you like the ride? Do you like the Albastache bars?
>
> What brake levers are you using. At first I thought they were TRPs but 
> they don't look like them.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Sackville, Chris King, Schwalbe

[ant ritchey]

bryan-

STEM IN QUESTION 


On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hey folks. Got a few things to move along here. Prices do not include 
> shipping. PM/text (724757935ATE) for photos.
>
> Sackville Saddlebag Large, olive. $175
> Older model with the metal tag & stamped serial number. Very good 
> condition except for some suspected "tombstone abuse", where the leather 
> slot seems to have splayed out a centimeter or so on either side (see 
> image). Canvas & zippers are all in very good and all leather recently 
> treated. "Removable flaptop pocket" included, also in very good condition. 
> Includes two 14" leather straps w/ buckles & two 14" leather straps w/ 
> snaps.
>
> Chris King 2Nut 1" threaded headset, silver w/ spacers. $95
> Super beautiful and hardly used. Professionally installed/uninstalled. 
> Excellent condition.
>
> Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.10, folding. $40
> Tires have seen less than 30 miles. Very clean. Some schmutz from a 
> tubeless install but otherwise pristine.
>
> Trade interest: Nitto "HiRiser stem" nice silver 650b wheelset, heat 
> treated Albatross, King Iris &/or Many Thing cages, Pass & Stow...
>
> Ant Ritchey in Portland OR, soon to be crossposted as usual...
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Never considered lavender but that sure looks nice!  Also like your bike 
space - big!

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:34:22 PM UTC-4, Charlie R wrote:
>
>
> A better picture of the lavender Atlantis - should have kept it...
>
> Charlie 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 7:59:20 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the 
>> decals.  As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw 
>> lavender in the ring which could be real cool.
>
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[sameness]

That's the exact lavender I had in mind. Pretty sure somebody here has a 
Saluki in that color. Winner.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-7, Charlie R wrote:
>
>
> Lavender you say
>
> A lavender Atlantis from a previous life..
>
> Would be a great color..
>
> Charlie
>

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Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/24/2017 03:43 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

Love that color, just a tad darker than the Orange Rambouillet.

Did it come from Rivendell like this or was it resprayed?


It's a Joe Bell paint job, original, not a respray.




Looks to be 650B also?  Matching orange nipples is a nice touch...


No, it's got Compass Bon Jon Pass 700x35Cs on it.


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Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Jim Bronson]

Love that color, just a tad darker than the Orange Rambouillet.

Did it come from Rivendell like this or was it resprayed?

Looks to be 650B also?  Matching orange nipples is a nice touch...

-Jim

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> Noticed  a couple of shots of that beautiful burnt orange custom of Pano's
> fully built up.
>
> That bike looks gorgeous
>
> e.g.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146516191@N05/33161008102/in/
> pool-rivendell/
> 
>
> Really classy!
>
> So Pano
>
> Apologies if I'm outing you but I couldn't resist. I was curious to see
> how your bike would turn out. It's splendid looking,
>
> How do you like the ride? Do you like the Albastache bars?
>
> What brake levers are you using. At first I thought they were TRPs but
> they don't look like them.
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[RBW] Re: FS - Sackville, Chris King, Schwalbe

[comveo]

Hey Ant,


When you say Nitto "Hi-Riser" do you mean the Dirt Drop Style, regular 
Technomic as seem on Rivs site, or the reeeally tall Technomic(280mm)?

THIS: https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-dirt-drop-26-0-8cm-or-10cm

OR...

THIS: http://store.somafab.com/nite28eloqus1.html


I have the super tall one in 70mm reach with a 25.4 clamp and would trade 
for your King 2Nut, if it's what your heart desires : )


Thank you!


-Bryan


On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:00:53 PM UTC-4, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> pics here:
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/6058551635.html
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks. Got a few things to move along here. Prices do not include 
>> shipping. PM/text (724757935ATE) for photos.
>>
>> Sackville Saddlebag Large, olive. $175
>> Older model with the metal tag & stamped serial number. Very good 
>> condition except for some suspected "tombstone abuse", where the leather 
>> slot seems to have splayed out a centimeter or so on either side (see 
>> image). Canvas & zippers are all in very good and all leather recently 
>> treated. "Removable flaptop pocket" included, also in very good condition. 
>> Includes two 14" leather straps w/ buckles & two 14" leather straps w/ 
>> snaps.
>>
>> Chris King 2Nut 1" threaded headset, silver w/ spacers. $95
>> Super beautiful and hardly used. Professionally installed/uninstalled. 
>> Excellent condition.
>>
>> Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.10, folding. $40
>> Tires have seen less than 30 miles. Very clean. Some schmutz from a 
>> tubeless install but otherwise pristine.
>>
>> Trade interest: Nitto "HiRiser stem" nice silver 650b wheelset, heat 
>> treated Albatross, King Iris &/or Many Thing cages, Pass & Stow...
>>
>> Ant Ritchey in Portland OR, soon to be crossposted as usual...
>>
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Ryan Fleming]

what's the pale blue mixte at the rear? That looks like a riv to me or do I 
just have rivendells on my mind?

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 11:34:22 AM UTC-5, Charlie R wrote:
>
>
> A better picture of the lavender Atlantis - should have kept it...
>
> Charlie 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 7:59:20 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the 
>> decals.  As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw 
>> lavender in the ring which could be real cool.
>
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[RBW] Recognizing Genius: R14 in back AND front

[Bill Lindsay]

There was a Riv email sent out today, showing Grant's personal Appaloosa, 
in Silver.  I'm not a green-bike guy, so I deeply approve of the Silver. 
 Several folks have run a Mark's Rack as a tiny rear rack, and that's 
clever.  Several folks have gone out of their way to bolt a Mark's Rack to 
the fork crown of their Rivendell, because the fork crown kind of demanded 
it, and that's fine, too.  Grant's bike has the same R14 rear rack on the 
back AND on the front.  For whatever reason, that setup strikes me as a 
total genius move.  I wish I'd thought of it.  

BL in EC

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[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[panog]

."wait" not "weight" that is.. my iPad thinks is smarter than 
me .. oh well, I should be used to it by now .

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[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[panog]

@WETH

Erl. It will be my pleasure to meet if you would like to have a close look at 
the bike. As a matter of fact, since it seems there are several of us who live 
around D.C., it would be enjoyable to arrange a meet.

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[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

Tule & Atoc market a tandem carrier which, like the Yakima clamps the fork 
dropouts and uses a swing out arm to facilitate mounting.  However that 
rack only uses a pin to secure that swing out arm while the Yakima uses a 
beefy screw.  I'm sure the Thule rack works fine but the additional play 
always made me nervous.

Michael

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 10:05:31 AM UTC-4, Jon BALER wrote:
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> Nevermind, didn't realize this was asking about tandems.

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[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[panog]

Thanks for the kind words guys! 

The bike came out looking and feeling fantastic! I've got a little over 500 
miles on it so far and it feels like the cockpit is dialed in. The fit is 
perfect! Cant add pics through my iPad so added a few more at the flickr site:
Side view https://flic.kr/p/TbtsBm
As it is now  https://flic.kr/p/TbtsDf  And https://flic.kr/p/T3ET9D dressed 
for commuting duty.

The Albastache and the bar-ends worked out great. The bars, as set, are very 
comfortable and the upright position is great for commuting as visibility is 
greatly increased. My concern was how they would behave out on the open road 
and head-on winds but so far so good. Longest ride till now about 45 miles and 
head-on winds in the high teens - low twenties needed steering holding from the 
brake  levers to reduce my frontal area somewhat. Not the same as with drops 
but quite doable. Power developed holding from around the bar-ends is not as 
much as when less upright but this is to be expected so no surprises there. 
Overall and for 80%+ of what the intended use of the bike is, the Albastache 
looks to be the perfect bar for it. 

It took me the better part of a day to dial in the fenders and get a uniform 
line around the tire without any undue stress. I followed most of Peter 
Weigle's tips setting them up. Things like no leather washers at the 
fender-stay interphase and decoupling only at the brake bridge and dropouts. 
The braze-on under the fork worked out great and the fender dimple there was 
much easier to get right. The VO's now come with aluminum stick-on 
reinforcement for underneath the fender at the crown and brake bridge which I 
included. If I had seen Anton's latest development in time maybe I would have 
done that instead as it looks sharp but right now I'm not taking them apart.
The bended upper front stay is "borrowed" out of Peter's photo stream; more for 
the look than out of necessity although it does really secure the front end of 
the fender from shaking when on extended rough pavement.

Brakes are Origin 8 Classique Sports. On the fence on these so far as the lever 
feels kinda of flimsy. Wanted to hide the cables as much as possible and the 
flaring up of some of the Evo variety (i.e. TRP) sticks up too much passed the 
top of the bars. I thought of flipping the TRP but then the cable comes out on 
the top which I did not like either. Still on the look-out on these.

I had a Tubus Airy Ti laying around that I put on the back and then added a 
pair of Multisacks for lightweight, stay-on the bike, panniers. Front rack I 
will not put on but I did get the Hub Area Rack and bags to use in trips where 
additional carrying capacity is needed.

Mounting the front light was a close call. The "shortie" bracket was too short 
and the back of the light housing could not clear the straddle bridge so its 
longer version was used. It pushed the light out from rubbing against the 
straddle bridge but, I think, it pushed it a bit more than I would have liked. 
I may attempt to reform the bracket later on although the bolt head clearance 
from the Paul's is next to nothing.

The bar is double wrapped with the cork look-a-like tape but as soon as my 
lugged quill stem comes in I have a nice leather Berthoud waiting for it. 

Joe Bell's paint job is simply amazing. I have been looking for imperfections, 
runouts or whatever but there aren't any. The other day I noticed he had put a 
clear protectant strip on the left seat stay right where the head of the Zefal 
would have scraped against it. It doesn't as the pump spring keeps it a good 
5mm away but if it ever did, the paint wont be scratched. This attention to 
detail I have not seen before and have had a few customs in my life.

All in all, its been a wonderfull experience and the end result justified the 
weight.

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[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[Bill Lindsay]

I mentioned it to Dave and Will, and they gave me the scoop.  

They had an unpainted Hunq, and while Will was composing the newsletter, it 
sold.  He just forgot to take it out of the subject line.  

BL in EC

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:17:51 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Yeah I saw the newsletter too and although I'm not in the market for a 
> Hunq I read the newsletter twice thinking I somehow missed the article.  I 
> do like the idea of selecting a color in general though.
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> The Riv newsletter I received today alluded to this in the subject, but 
>> there were no details in the newsletter. Anyone know the scoop? An AHH-blue 
>> Hunqapillar (maybe with a top tube a few cm longer than stock) is my dream 
>> Rivendell. 
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie Stapleton]

No problem, glad to help. Also if you want any info on stoves/equipment for 
“coffee outside” activity feel free to ask.
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Broccoli Cog  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
> reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 
> 
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the snow-the 
> middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd love to 
> follow you and support your group.
> 
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking at 
> some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you have 
> inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We still 
> have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some coffee 
> outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't have a 
> stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick something up 
> soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
> Coffee Outside is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize donated 
> from Rivendell for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing setup/thermos or 
> some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or shine (there's an 
> overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we usually meet). Right now 
> the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! More info. @cowboygrrl
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>  
> This
>  Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near Salute 
> Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos and meet 
> some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart Station, and 
> most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
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[RBW] Re: FS - Sackville, Chris King, Schwalbe

[comveo]

A.There she is. I hadn't seen that on Riv's site. 

Carry on ; )




On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-4, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> bryan-
>
> STEM IN QUESTION 
> 
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks. Got a few things to move along here. Prices do not include 
>> shipping. PM/text (724757935ATE) for photos.
>>
>> Sackville Saddlebag Large, olive. $175
>> Older model with the metal tag & stamped serial number. Very good 
>> condition except for some suspected "tombstone abuse", where the leather 
>> slot seems to have splayed out a centimeter or so on either side (see 
>> image). Canvas & zippers are all in very good and all leather recently 
>> treated. "Removable flaptop pocket" included, also in very good condition. 
>> Includes two 14" leather straps w/ buckles & two 14" leather straps w/ 
>> snaps.
>>
>> Chris King 2Nut 1" threaded headset, silver w/ spacers. $95
>> Super beautiful and hardly used. Professionally installed/uninstalled. 
>> Excellent condition.
>>
>> Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.10, folding. $40
>> Tires have seen less than 30 miles. Very clean. Some schmutz from a 
>> tubeless install but otherwise pristine.
>>
>> Trade interest: Nitto "HiRiser stem" nice silver 650b wheelset, heat 
>> treated Albatross, King Iris &/or Many Thing cages, Pass & Stow...
>>
>> Ant Ritchey in Portland OR, soon to be crossposted as usual...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks! actually that is my first hurdle. I am trying not to spend a ton of 
money on a stove that may or may not get that use. I still have some 
wanderlust in my soul and hope to do some sub 24O outings but again I am a 
newbie at all this and don't have much gear. I have found a few videos 
online showing how to make a simple stove out of a beer can which uses 
alcohol for fuel but I am not sure if that is best for my needs. So yes I 
would be very interested in learning about what would make a good stove. 

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 7:38:57 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> No problem, glad to help. Also if you want any info on stoves/equipment 
> for “coffee outside” activity feel free to ask.
>
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Broccoli Cog  
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
> reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
>> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
>> snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
>> love to follow you and support your group.
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been 
>>> looking at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know 
>>> that you have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New 
>>> York. We still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize 
>>> some coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I 
>>> don't have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
>>> something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:

 *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
 donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
 setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
 shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
 usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
 More info. @cowboygrrl

 On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
>
> 
> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>

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[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yeah I saw the newsletter too and although I'm not in the market for a Hunq 
I read the newsletter twice thinking I somehow missed the article.  I do 
like the idea of selecting a color in general though.

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> The Riv newsletter I received today alluded to this in the subject, but 
> there were no details in the newsletter. Anyone know the scoop? An AHH-blue 
> Hunqapillar (maybe with a top tube a few cm longer than stock) is my dream 
> Rivendell. 
>
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie Stapleton]

I’ve been using an alcohol stove off the bike for the last few years and also 
used them camping. They work well, nothing to recycle like a canister stove, 
and one uses denatured alcohol which you can find at hardware and paint stores. 
Also cheap; a gallon will last you forever for about $12. I bought a little kit 
called the Caldera Keg and it’s in the picture announcing the last coffee 
outside. Here’s a link: 
https://www.traildesigns.com/stoves/caldera-keg-f-stove-system 
 Only downside 
for alcohol is below freezing. There’s canister stoves like this: 
https://www.rei.com/product/114890/msr-pocketrocket-2-stove 
 but more 
expensive and then you collect empty canisters. They’re efficient and boil 
water fast. I’ve also used the Whisperlite which lasted about 15; used when I 
backpack. This has a refillable bottle: 
https://www.rei.com/product/830342/msr-whisperlite-universal-backpacking-stove 

 a little more finicky than a canister, but you can use in any weather and 
boils water fast.

I like the Caldera keg kit because the keg acts as the pot and is included in 
the price. Not too expensive. Also very stable and has wind blocking inherently 
built in. Here’s a good resource: http://www.bikepacking.com/all-posts/
> 
> Thanks! actually that is my first hurdle. I am trying not to spend a ton of 
> money on a stove that may or may not get that use. I still have some 
> wanderlust in my soul and hope to do some sub 24O outings but again I am a 
> newbie at all this and don't have much gear. I have found a few videos online 
> showing how to make a simple stove out of a beer can which uses alcohol for 
> fuel but I am not sure if that is best for my needs. So yes I would be very 
> interested in learning about what would make a good stove. 
> 
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 7:38:57 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
> No problem, glad to help. Also if you want any info on stoves/equipment for 
> “coffee outside” activity feel free to ask.
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Broccoli Cog gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
>> reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 
>> 
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
>> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
>> snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
>> love to follow you and support your group.
>> 
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking at 
>> some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you have 
>> inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We still 
>> have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some coffee 
>> outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't have a 
>> stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick something up 
>> soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>> Coffee Outside is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize donated 
>> from Rivendell for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing setup/thermos or 
>> some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or shine (there's an 
>> overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we usually meet). Right 
>> now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! More info. @cowboygrrl
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>  
>> This
>>  Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near Salute 
>> Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos and meet 
>> some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart Station, and 
>> most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Joe Bernard]

The Romulus might make a good 650B dropbar bike, but I don't see it working 
with upright bars. I owned a 55cm Rom which was borderline too big for me, but 
even then the toptube-length-intended-for-drops would, I think, have created a 
crowded cockpit with an Albatross bar. I think the Appaloosa - which is 
intended for reachback bars and touring loads - is the better plan here. 

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[RBW] Re: Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Orc]

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 10:24:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> that bike looks dialed. i've never seen a front fender mounted on the 
> mid-fork brazeons like that before. interesting, i wonder why?
>

When I did something like that ( on this machine: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tysasi/32827555175/in/photostream )  it was 
because I didn't want to piggyback two fender stays onto one mountpoint -- 
it's harder to adjust the fender line when there are two stays wiggling 
around.

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

Best of luck to the both of you!

APPROVE

BL in EC

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> Sam Hillborn is my choice after hours of deliberation. Sam and retirement 
> should be a great combination. Thanks for all the helpful insight! 
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[RBW] Re: Recognizing Genius: R14 in back AND front

[MartyG]

Rear rack up front? Approve! And the Silver? My Huge Rosco will sport the 
same color, minus the cream. Same bars too. 




Some of you may recall I fabbed a Blackburn up front on a Bombadil years 
ago. 


Then I went all crazy and cut up a Blackburn rear and reassembled it to fit 
an altered Trek up front. I also went crazy in other ways on this build, 
like matching paint on the Silca track pump. 




On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:28:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There was a Riv email sent out today, showing Grant's personal Appaloosa, 
> in Silver.  I'm not a green-bike guy, so I deeply approve of the Silver. 
>  Several folks have run a Mark's Rack as a tiny rear rack, and that's 
> clever.  Several folks have gone out of their way to bolt a Mark's Rack to 
> the fork crown of their Rivendell, because the fork crown kind of demanded 
> it, and that's fine, too.  Grant's bike has the same R14 rear rack on the 
> back AND on the front.  For whatever reason, that setup strikes me as a 
> total genius move.  I wish I'd thought of it.  
>
> BL in EC
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[RBW] Re: Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

You will love it! Congrats! Be sure to share a picture of your setup. 

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> Sam Hillborn is my choice after hours of deliberation. Sam and retirement 
> should be a great combination. Thanks for all the helpful insight! 
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
> snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
> love to follow you and support your group.
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking 
>> at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you 
>> have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We 
>> still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some 
>> coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't 
>> have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
>> something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>>
>>> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
>>> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
>>> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
>>> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
>>> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
>>> More info. @cowboygrrl
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:


 
 This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
 Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
 and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
 Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.

>>>

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[RBW] Pick your paint Hunq

[Christopher Cote]

The Riv newsletter I received today alluded to this in the subject, but there 
were no details in the newsletter. Anyone know the scoop? An AHH-blue 
Hunqapillar (maybe with a top tube a few cm longer than stock) is my dream 
Rivendell. 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi All, Thanks again for the feedback. The final outcome was that I ended 
up ordering a Nitto R-14. I picked up some dutch triple straps to serve my 
cargo carrying needs until I can order my medium saddle bag. I think I'll 
be happier having that rack for support. 

Tim

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Sam

[twin]

Sam Hillborn is my choice after hours of deliberation. Sam and retirement 
should be a great combination. Thanks for all the helpful insight!
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[RBW] Re: Recognizing Genius: R14 in back AND front

[sameness]

You even got a foot to match the sidewalls and hoods. Serious business.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-7, MartyG wrote:
>
> Then I went all crazy and cut up a Blackburn rear and reassembled it to 
> fit an altered Trek up front. I also went crazy in other ways on this 
> build, like matching paint on the Silca track pump. 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Recognizing Genius: R14 in back AND front

[Joe Bernard]

My favorite "only Grant would do this" touch are the uncut orange zip-ties on 
the blue fender flap. Nice!

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[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[Ryan Fleming]

Noticed  a couple of shots of that beautiful burnt orange custom of Pano's 
fully built up.

That bike looks gorgeous

e.g.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146516191@N05/33161008102/in/pool-rivendell/  


Really classy!

So Pano

Apologies if I'm outing you but I couldn't resist. I was curious to see how 
your bike would turn out. It's splendid looking,

How do you like the ride? Do you like the Albastache bars?

What brake levers are you using. At first I thought they were TRPs but they 
don't look like them.

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[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker

[WETH]

I agree that is a beautiful bike!  Every detail has been well thought out and 
beautifully implemented. One of my top 5 favorite bikes!
>From the photos it appears Pano is in the D.C. area.  If so, I would enjoy 
>meeting up to see this awesome bike!
Best wishes,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Don't forget to ring up the fine people at Riv world headquarters.  They may 
have some insight on model-specific sizing that would help guide your 
decision...

You're PBH and height is kind of unique. Plus they're always a pleasure to chat 
with  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Bob K.]

I'm the proud owner of a 2009 Sam, and I love it. Went out on a two-day trip 
last week with front panniers, basket, and bikepacking-style seat bag, and it 
did everything I asked of it and more, including some windy but not technical 
single track riding in the dark. I also love stripping it of racks and bags and 
going for a fast (for me, AKA slow) ride up and down the local rollers.

All of that said, if I were buying one Rivendell right now, even given how much 
I love my Sam, I'd buy an Appaloosa. The additional clearance provides a bit 
more versatility, and since you're looking for an upright build, the Joe would 
be perfect with the Choco Norm setup. (The Clem is clearly a good call for this 
very same reason.) If you're worried that you'll want to go drop bars later, 
though, go Sam. 

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Jon BALER]

You can get a Thule rack that clamps the downtube. We have two different 
versions, and they both work well.  They also work well for fat bikes and forks 
with new hub standards.

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