[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and buy 
one close.

 
^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
or eight links to get the correct length.

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Marcus Gomersall]

Thanks so much. I kind of feel like I’m joining myself on a ride when I
watch my videos too. My inner monologue with the distraction of coffees,
food and pretty bikes. Thanks for watching!

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:08, Tony Lockhart  wrote:

> Good stuff, Marcus. I like your storytelling sensibilitiesKind of
> feels like I'm travelling while watching your films due to the variety of
> content you share. I also appreciate the bike checks you add.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Riv had been on my radar for a while but was a bit out of my price range
>> for a while. Before I bought a Riv, I built up my Velo Orange Polyvalent
>> just before covid and really got back in to riding bikes every day for
>> commuting, groceries and camping adventures. I bought a Clem during the
>> bike boom and realised what all the fuss is about with Rivendell bikes!
>> Since then I also bought a Toyo canti Romulus and a Waterford Atlantis,
>> both second hand. No Riv dealer here so I bought all from the USA with some
>> help from a friend who lives in LA.
>>
>> Considering a Susie now my wife has got into riding my Clem :)
>>
>> On Tuesday 23 April 2024 at 21:43:16 UTC+9 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marcus,
>>> I've been eating up all your videos ever since your channel was linked
>>> here before! How did you discover Rivendell?  Was it back home in England
>>> or there in South Korea? Is there a Riv dealer in Seoul? A bike shop visit
>>> would be an interesting video, especially if they have Riv or similar stuff.
>>> Ezri
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,

 I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of
 my Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some
 people on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of
 my Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly
 showcasing what cycling in Korea is like.

 I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding -
 YouTube 

 Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!

 Marcus

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Gordon Stam]

Hey Bill, nice build on the 3x1. Used frames and lots of spare parts are fun 
that way.

G

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behalf of Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 12:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus 
into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build 
concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a 
single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 
46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning 
I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike 
for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick 
release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely 
rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both 
black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two 
things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample 
clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit 
on the RoadTrio.

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a 
try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've told 
Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he did a 
presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
$140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
that would make sense for all involved.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B-17 Pre-Aged, Vintage BH cycling gloves, Ergon GP-1, & Ultegra brake pads

[exliontamer]

UPDATE:
Ergons & Brooks are sold.

* BH cycling gloves. Vintage NOS made in France. Leather & red terry cloth. 
One pair is size 6 1/2 (XS) & the other is a 9 1/2 (L). I'm a pretty solid 
XL in gloves and will say that the 9 1/2 fits like a pretty standard large 
glove. $25 each

* Shimano Ultegra BR-6403 pads. These were the stock pads on the old 600 
Ultegra Tri-color brakes. $15 for the pair.





On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:36:50 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Garage clean out. All prices are shipped to the lower 48.
>
> * Dark Brown Brooks B-17 Pre-Aged. Minimal use. $90
>
> * Ergon GP-1 BioKork Large. Essentially new. Briefly mounted and went back 
> to Oury. Has the bar end caps. $30
>
> * BH cycling gloves. Vintage NOS made in France. Leather & red terry 
> cloth. One pair is size 6 1/2 (XS) & the other is a 9 1/2 (L). I'm a pretty 
> solid XL in gloves and will say that the 9 1/2 fits like a pretty standard 
> large glove. $25 each
>
> * Shimano Ultegra BR-6403 pads. These were the stock pads on the old 600 
> Ultegra Tri-color brakes. $15 for the pair.
>
> [image: IMG_5549.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5550.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
would fit. 

I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Ken Yokanovich]

Another vote for product re-introduction, re-release.

-Ken who is not as concerned about the weight as much as has a preference 
for their simpler aesthetics.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] FS: 55cm Heron Wayfarer (Touring) frame, fork and fenders

[Igor]

Frame seen here: https://i.imgur.com/1EUVZah.jpg

More photos coming soon as I part everything out. 

Frame, fork, and fenders. There is NO headset.

$950 shipped USA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Bill Lindsay]

Maybe?

Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
> would fit. 
>
> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Rich Lesnik]

Bike is sold. Thanks everyone!

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:55:46 AM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Price bump: Obviously posted too-high asking price. If anyone's 
> interested, make an offer!
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 4:59:49 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Try posting one pic at a time.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> This is for a phone, I take screenshots of the photos and it works. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of 
>>> the previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
>>> notification when I try to post them.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>>
 This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
 anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
 built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
 triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
 pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to 
 post 
 photos on the forum!)

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[Nick A.]

PM sent!

Nick in Falls Church VA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
> luck with your sale!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
>> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Doug,
>>>
>>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
>>> seem to work for me.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
 need to sell to clear some space in my work are.

1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. 
Spins true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. 
 Silver 
rim and black hub. $140 shipped
2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped

 Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
 

 Doug
 Athens, Ga

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Mackenzy Albright]

Buy two KMC z9's for dirt cheap. Toss the leftover second chain in the 
parts bin for the next 3 chain replacements. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 4:38:56 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:
>
> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
> buy one close.
>
>  
> ^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
> links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
> enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
> or eight links to get the correct length.
>
> https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se
>
> Nick Payne
>
>

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[RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
with these tires.  

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
summit on the RoadTrio.  

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 
a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Edwin W]

Awesome advice from all of you, two chains on the way!

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:20:21 AM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Buy two KMC z9's for dirt cheap. Toss the leftover second chain in the 
> parts bin for the next 3 chain replacements. 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 4:38:56 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:
>>
>> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
>> buy one close.
>>
>>  
>> ^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
>> links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
>> enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
>> or eight links to get the correct length.
>>
>> https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Teravail Cannonball Tires 700c x 47 Durable - $50

[Justin Kennedy]

I have a set of low mileage, no flats (tube mounted) Teravail Cannonball 
Tires for sale. 

-700c x 47 (29 x 47)
-Durable casing
-Compatibility: Tubeless
-Bead: Folding
-Casing: 60 TPI

https://www.teravail.com/product/teravail-cannonball-tire-394759-1.htm

$50 plus actual shipping cost (or local pickup in NYC). 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Teravail Cannonball Tires 700c x 47 Durable - $50

[Justin Kennedy]

Oops forgot to mention these are the tan sidewall version... 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I have a set of low mileage, no flats (tube mounted) Teravail Cannonball 
> Tires for sale. 
>
> -700c x 47 (29 x 47)
> -Durable casing
> -Compatibility: Tubeless
> -Bead: Folding
> -Casing: 60 TPI
>
> https://www.teravail.com/product/teravail-cannonball-tire-394759-1.htm
>
> $50 plus actual shipping cost (or local pickup in NYC). 
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[John]

Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.

John in Minnesota

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[Brian Turner]

Love your photos, as always… made even better with descriptive ride reports!On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:07 AM, John  wrote:Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.John in Minnesota



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

Look at Bill just strolling in and flexing about his super stash of these 
bars.  :)

It looks like I might have a line on one but I agree that they would knock 
these out quick if they did a small release of them.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:16:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've 
> told Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he 
> did a presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
> actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
> sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
> $140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
> that would make sense for all involved.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
>> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
>> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

"Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  

They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
"ultralight" flavor.  

There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
440mm.  

The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>> advice.  ;)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Armand Kizirian]

Plenty of Shimano Shark Fin's on eBay and elsewhere still to be had. Chain 
suck be gone. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
> flying around?"
>
> Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
> there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
> slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
> coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
> practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
> mishap to happen from the big ring.  
>
> Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito. CA
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
>> not the OP's actual question:
>>
>> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
>> and chainstay?*
>> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
>> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
>> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>>
>> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 
>> 115mm BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
>> 
>>  
>> recommends a 119mm.
>> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
>> Ultraromance did  
>> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
>> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
>> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
>> lessen the chain flying around?
>>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>>
>>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>>> chain?
>>>
>>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>>
>>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[P W]

I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.  I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Dan]

Bill:
Yes, that’s how I’ve been managing it. Works perfectly that way, and I take 
it as good training for front derailluer shifts. 

Kiziria:
Thank you so much, that’s EXACTLY what I’m looking for! I’ll be sourcing 
one of these for sure. Wow. 

On Saturday 27 April 2024 at 09:05:18 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Plenty of Shimano Shark Fin's on eBay and elsewhere still to be had. Chain 
> suck be gone. 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
>> flying around?"
>>
>> Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
>> there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
>> slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
>> coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
>> practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
>> mishap to happen from the big ring.  
>>
>> Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito. CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
>>> not the OP's actual question:
>>>
>>> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
>>> and chainstay?*
>>> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on 
>>> a bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
>>> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>>>
>>> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 
>>> 115mm BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> recommends a 119mm.
>>> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
>>> Ultraromance did 
>>>  on his 
>>> Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
>>> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
>>> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
>>> lessen the chain flying around?
>>>
>>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
 chain, longer than a single chain.

 For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
 tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
 chain?

 What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...

 Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,

 Edwin

>>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
are ready to do a pre-sale.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> Brilliant Bill.
>
> And good reference/inspiration.
>
> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>
> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>
> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>
> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
> sure tho!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
> with these tires.  
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Eric Daume]

I've had a Melvin in my parts stash for years that's looking for a reason,
so this build kind of appeals to me. But, out here in the flatlands, I
don't really need three super widely spaced gears. With my
cruising (normally fixed) gear of 44x17, maybe something like 44/40/36,
about 10% jumps. Hmm, maybe I'll see what rings I have in stock.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches
> with these tires.
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo
> summit on the RoadTrio.
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Richard Rose]

It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting in Toledo may be futile.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they are ready to do a pre-sale.  BL in ECOn Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.  I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

I stumbled across some crochet gloves that I bought from Rive and then hid 
them away because I hated them. The label inside says the maker is 
"InMotion". I recall the transaction because Riv told me they run comically 
small.  I wear a Medium in absolutely everything and these "XL" gloves 
squeeze my fingers.  They are free to anybody who wants them and wants to 
give me something small for free in the future.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53681302024/in/dateposted/



On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
> number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
> one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
> it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
> quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
>> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>>
 If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
 https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
 Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
 Tom in Alexandria, VA

 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>
> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>
>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>> ton 
>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>> durable 
>> and fashionable.  
>>
>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>> is totally boring.  
>>
>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>
>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential 
>> for 
>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't 
>> have 
>> anything good.  
>>
>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>> options?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Dan]

I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
not the OP's actual question:

*How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre and 
chainstay?*
I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.

My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 115mm 
BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 

 
recommends a 119mm.
After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
Ultraromance did  
on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
lessen the chain flying around?

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Bill Lindsay]

"maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
flying around?"

Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
mishap to happen from the big ring.  

Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito. CA

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
> not the OP's actual question:
>
> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
> and chainstay?*
> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>
> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 115mm 
> BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
> 
>  
> recommends a 119mm.
> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
> Ultraromance did  
> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
> lessen the chain flying around?
>
> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
>> longer than a single chain.
>>
>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>> chain?
>>
>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>
>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mysterious Mid-Reach Fork in Rambouillet paint

[Wyatt]

SOLD

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:07:23 PM UTC-5 Wyatt wrote:

> Here's a fine fork that's been collecting dust in my closet that deserves 
> to find a home. Here's what I can tell you about it:
>
> - ~375 a-c
> - Mid reach brakes (57mm)
> - Clears a 38mm tire
> - ~225mm threaded 1" steerer
> - ~40mm rake
> - Eyelet for fenders at dropouts and under crown
> - 883g on the scale
>
> How about $75 plus shipping?
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> Years and years ago, I bought a Rivendell Rambouillet from a disgruntled 
> roadie who hadn't liked the way it rode initially, bought a second fork and 
> had it painted to match the frame, decided he didn't like that either, and 
> sold me the frame and both forks. The Rambouillet is a great bike and I 
> don't know what that guy's problem was, but I've never needed two forks for 
> it and so the second one has been getting knocked around with my bike stuff 
> for decades now. I can't remember who he said made the fork.
>
> My best guess is that it is a Waterford fork (it appears to match the "Sloped 
> solid touring crown 
> "
>  
> fork they built) but could be something else. In any case, I'm sure there's 
> a frame out there that needs this fork more than it needs to be hanging 
> around in my storage closet.
>
> If nothing else, does anyone have theories on the origin of the fork?
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[P W]

Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.  I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Richard Rose]

How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.  I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Conway Bennett]

I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from Sim
Works:

https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar

They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I
don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm
Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was
released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.

It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim
Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily
discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."

I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use the
Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning
Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All
Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm
Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got
wider.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett 
wrote:

> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are
> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding
> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm
> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54
> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv
> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the
> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather
> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones
> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be
> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the
> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them.
>> Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my
>> advice.  ;)
>>
>> BL in EC
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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Toyo Atlantis

[Keith Paugh]

Hi Dylan,

I think this 58 would be too big for me, but I was glad to see another LA
Riv.
What part of town are you in?

k.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:30 PM dylan green 
wrote:

> After a lot of inner back and forth - I've decided to sell my stunning
> Toyo built Atlantis as a frame set with some extras. The wheelset is
> available separately or added on at a discount if you grab the frameset. I
> have some Nitto racks also available separately and will list those later
> in a parts posting.
>
> Size is 58 (700c) and has the desirable shorter chainstays. I have a PBH
> of 86.5 and Grant put me on this Atlantis. The overall condition is VERY
> clean. The only imperfection worth noting is on the chain stay. It is
> hidden when the crank is installed. The paint is still shiny as new. Also
> included is an Ultegra headset, Shimano BB, nitto drop bar and stem as
> well as campy shifters (mirage).
>
> I love this frame, I've had it for a long time. But my riding time is
> going down each year. I was planning yet another rebuild for this, but more
> and more I just reach for my bridgestone when I want to go for a cruise. I
> am in Los Angeles and can drop it off at a shop for packing/shipping - but
> I'd ask that you work with them on payment and getting FedEx to pick it up.
>
> $2500
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
 Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
advice.  ;)

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Conway Bennett]

Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
> advice.  ;)
>
> BL in EC
>
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[Eric Marth]

Beautiful pics and badass ride as per your usual, Jason! Thanks for 
sharing, that's one I'd love to have joined you for. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 10:27:58 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Love your photos, as always… made even better with descriptive ride 
> reports!
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:07 AM, John  wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
> absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.
>
> John in Minnesota
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Brian Turner]

Josh- Thanks! the Toyo serial numbers for Atlantis should start with the 
abbreviation “AT”, followed by maybe 4 digits? Mine reads across the bottom f 
the BB shell, whereas Waterfords are usually longer serial codes and read along 
the edge of one side. Also, Waterfords may be stamped “Rivendell” or 
“Waterford”.

Hopefully others here can either confirm or dispute my info regarding this.

Brian
Lex KY 

> On Apr 26, 2024, at 1:40 PM, Josh C  wrote:
> 
> Killer setup, Brian. Looks similar to my Toyo. BTW how can you tell from the 
> serial number? 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

When RIvendell sold them back in the day I think Grant said they were about 
60g lighter than a standard noodle bar. That is right in line with what you 
found, Bill.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 7:26:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  
>
> They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
> Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
> them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
> is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
> "ultralight" flavor.  
>
> There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
> loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
> identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
> Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
> 440mm.  
>
> The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
> end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
> my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
> to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
> Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
> in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
> the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
> loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Wooly Warm sleeveless merino tank

[Eric Marth]

Hello friends — Cross-posted wool search happenin here and on iBob :0)  

I have an older Wooly Warm sleeveless tank that I purchased used and I 
really like it. If you have one in size large or extra-large that you're 
willing to part with please drop me a note and let me know your price 
shipped to 22401. Color, condition and/or a picture would be helpful as 
well. 

Thanks! 
Eric in Virginia 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s

The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by 
Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 

Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba 
Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 

BL in EC


On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
> Sim Works:
>
> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>
> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I 
> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>
> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim 
> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>
> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use the 
> Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
> wider.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them.  
>>> Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
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