Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
Kevin: I'm forwarding your suggestions to Jamie Hennelly who oversees the functionality of the Toolkit. -- Judy On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Kevin M Randall wrote: > Thanks, Judy! I'd totally forgotten about the difference between RDA > updates and RDA Toolkit releases. Makes complete sense to me now. > > ** ** > > I agree that noting every minor change under RDA Update History would end > up getting to be quite unwieldy. But I do wonder if it might perhaps be > helpful to have a link to the JSC Sec documents somewhere in that section? > It wouldn't need to be a link to each specific document, since I doubt > there would be as many cases of people wanting to look at those vs. the > updates. Just a link to the relevant section on the JSC site, with an > explanation something on the order of "For minor changes made between RDA > Updates, see the JSC/Sec/ documents on the JSC website." Maybe also > something saying that updates to the RDA text generally occur on an annual > basis (so we won't be confused next time there's a non-update release, like > I was this time...) > > ** ** > > Kevin > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *JSC Secretary > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:41 PM > > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History > > ** ** > > There are two categories of changes in the RDA content of the RDA Toolkit: > > -- updates: major changes resulting from approved proposals to the JSC; > -- releases: minor changes resulting from corrections and Fast Track > entries handled by the JSC. > > So far, there has been only one "update" of the RDA content in April 2012 > for proposals from the November 2011 meeting of the JSC. The next update > will be in July 2013 for proposals from the November 2012 meeting of the > JSC. The revision history in the Toolkit applies only* to updates. The > final versions of the approved proposals are posted on the JSC web site as > "Sec final" documents in the proposal series (see the specific proposals on > the JSC web site). > > Documentation of minor changes issued as releases and minor changes in the > updates are in the Sec document series. I post and then announce on RDA-L > the Sec document for each release; the document listing the minor changes > for the May 2013 release is 6JSC/Sec/8 ( > http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-Sec-8.pdf). Earlier minor changes are > documented in Sec/2, Sec/3, Sec/4, Sec/5, and Sec/7. No instructions have > been renumbered since the April 2012 Update; some will be renumbered in the > July 2013 Update. > > Judy K. > > * Including minor changes such as correction of punctuation, change from > bold to italic, correction of typo in one word, etc., in the revision > history would definitely add to the complexity of that record. Minor > changes such as clarifying wording, adding an example, adding a glossary > term, etc., are included for your reference in the Sec document series.*** > * > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dana Van Meter wrote: > > > I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it > up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail > from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my > Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice > that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the > bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as > if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't > updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of > things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not > having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. > > Dana Van Meter > HS-SS Library > Institute for Advanced Study > Princeton, NJ 08540 > vanme...@ias.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History > > The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been > several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There > is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. > It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help > catalogers determine if there was an actual
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
Thanks, Judy! I'd totally forgotten about the difference between RDA updates and RDA Toolkit releases. Makes complete sense to me now. I agree that noting every minor change under RDA Update History would end up getting to be quite unwieldy. But I do wonder if it might perhaps be helpful to have a link to the JSC Sec documents somewhere in that section? It wouldn't need to be a link to each specific document, since I doubt there would be as many cases of people wanting to look at those vs. the updates. Just a link to the relevant section on the JSC site, with an explanation something on the order of "For minor changes made between RDA Updates, see the JSC/Sec/ documents on the JSC website." Maybe also something saying that updates to the RDA text generally occur on an annual basis (so we won't be confused next time there's a non-update release, like I was this time...) Kevin From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of JSC Secretary Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:41 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History There are two categories of changes in the RDA content of the RDA Toolkit: -- updates: major changes resulting from approved proposals to the JSC; -- releases: minor changes resulting from corrections and Fast Track entries handled by the JSC. So far, there has been only one "update" of the RDA content in April 2012 for proposals from the November 2011 meeting of the JSC. The next update will be in July 2013 for proposals from the November 2012 meeting of the JSC. The revision history in the Toolkit applies only* to updates. The final versions of the approved proposals are posted on the JSC web site as "Sec final" documents in the proposal series (see the specific proposals on the JSC web site). Documentation of minor changes issued as releases and minor changes in the updates are in the Sec document series. I post and then announce on RDA-L the Sec document for each release; the document listing the minor changes for the May 2013 release is 6JSC/Sec/8 (http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-Sec-8.pdf). Earlier minor changes are documented in Sec/2, Sec/3, Sec/4, Sec/5, and Sec/7. No instructions have been renumbered since the April 2012 Update; some will be renumbered in the July 2013 Update. Judy K. * Including minor changes such as correction of punctuation, change from bold to italic, correction of typo in one word, etc., in the revision history would definitely add to the complexity of that record. Minor changes such as clarifying wording, adding an example, adding a glossary term, etc., are included for your reference in the Sec document series. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dana Van Meter mailto:vanme...@ias.edu>> wrote: I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. Dana Van Meter HS-SS Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton, NJ 08540 vanme...@ias.edu<mailto:vanme...@ias.edu> -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for updates that have occurred to date? Thanks. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
There are two categories of changes in the RDA content of the RDA Toolkit: -- updates: major changes resulting from approved proposals to the JSC; -- releases: minor changes resulting from corrections and Fast Track entries handled by the JSC. So far, there has been only one "update" of the RDA content in April 2012 for proposals from the November 2011 meeting of the JSC. The next update will be in July 2013 for proposals from the November 2012 meeting of the JSC. The revision history in the Toolkit applies only* to updates. The final versions of the approved proposals are posted on the JSC web site as "Sec final" documents in the proposal series (see the specific proposals on the JSC web site). Documentation of minor changes issued as releases and minor changes in the updates are in the Sec document series. I post and then announce on RDA-L the Sec document for each release; the document listing the minor changes for the May 2013 release is 6JSC/Sec/8 ( http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-Sec-8.pdf). Earlier minor changes are documented in Sec/2, Sec/3, Sec/4, Sec/5, and Sec/7. No instructions have been renumbered since the April 2012 Update; some will be renumbered in the July 2013 Update. Judy K. * Including minor changes such as correction of punctuation, change from bold to italic, correction of typo in one word, etc., in the revision history would definitely add to the complexity of that record. Minor changes such as clarifying wording, adding an example, adding a glossary term, etc., are included for your reference in the Sec document series. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dana Van Meter wrote: > I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it > up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail > from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my > Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice > that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the > bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as > if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't > updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of > things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not > having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. > > Dana Van Meter > HS-SS Library > Institute for Advanced Study > Princeton, NJ 08540 > vanme...@ias.edu > > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History > > The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been > several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There > is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. > It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help > catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular > instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this > section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for > updates that have occurred to date? > > Thanks. > > Kevin M. Randall > Principal Serials Cataloger > Northwestern University Library > k...@northwestern.edu > (847) 491-2939 > > Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! >
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
One has to remember that RDA is "*dynamic"*. Ahem. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dana Van Meter wrote: > I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it > up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail > from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my > Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice > that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the > bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as > if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't > updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of > things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not > having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. > > Dana Van Meter > HS-SS Library > Institute for Advanced Study > Princeton, NJ 08540 > vanme...@ias.edu > > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History > > The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been > several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There > is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. > It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help > catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular > instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this > section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for > updates that have occurred to date? > > Thanks. > > Kevin M. Randall > Principal Serials Cataloger > Northwestern University Library > k...@northwestern.edu > (847) 491-2939 > > Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! > -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
Forgot to say that I've reported both the AACR2 Index issue and the LC-PCC PS icon issue to the Toolkit, and supposedly they are working on it. Neither has been remedied as of today. Dana Van Meter Catalog Librarian Historical Studies-Social Science Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton, NJ 08540 vanme...@ias.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Dana Van Meter Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:00 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. Dana Van Meter HS-SS Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton, NJ 08540 vanme...@ias.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for updates that have occurred to date? Thanks. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice that when you're in RDA itself, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a page it says: Document Date: 5/14/2013, so it would appear as if the text of RDA has been updated, I'm not sure why the Toolkit hasn't updated the Update History. But then again the Toolkit does a lot of things I don't understand, like not providing the Index to AACR2, and not having the LC-PCC PS icon print out if you print out an RDA rule. Dana Van Meter HS-SS Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton, NJ 08540 vanme...@ias.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:45 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA Update History The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for updates that have occurred to date? Thanks. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History
I agree On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kevin M Randall wrote: > The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been > several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There > is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It > is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help > catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular > instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this > section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for > updates that have occurred to date? > > Thanks. > > Kevin M. Randall > Principal Serials Cataloger > Northwestern University Library > k...@northwestern.edu > (847) 491-2939 > > Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! > -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
[RDA-L] RDA Update History
The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for updates that have occurred to date? Thanks. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
