Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Thanks, Gordon and Joan, for advice and references. Very useful to have the context of the Relators Reconciled list. Since its purpose is the longterm one of facilitating RDF representation, presumably in a BibFrame context, it is probably better not to base our practice on it in the short term. Best wishes, Bernadette P.S. I was particularly interested in the section on the problems arising from using constrained designators from Appendix J in a MARC context. We decided here not to use Appendix J relators at all, mainly because cataloguers would probably have difficulty applying the constrained designators accurately without the support of a FRBR system, but also because it would be difficult to display them in a user-friendly way. *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gordon Dunsire Sent: 23 August 2013 12:33 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators Bernadette For a discussion on the semantic relationship between RDA relationship designators and MARC relator codes, see the discussion paper submitted to JSC [1], and the related appendix 1 [2]. Any comments are most welcome! I did not indicate a mapping from Appendix I degree supervisor to the MARC relator code list pending further discussion, so I would advise you not to change anything in the meantime. Cheers Gordon [1] http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-CILIP-rep-3.pdf [2] http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-CILIP-rep-3-Appendix-1.pdf From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary O'Reilly Sent: 23 August 2013 09:39 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators Thanks, Joan. 'degree supervisor' (which is newish in Appendix I and is not in the Relators Reconciled list) and 'thesis advisor' (in the Relators Reconciled list but not in Appendix I) do seem to have almost the same coverage, although the former would have the advantage of clearly applying to non-textual submissions, such as original musical compositions submitted for a D.Mus degree. However, we have always used 'thesis advisor' here, and it would be tiresome to change to 'degree supervisor' and then have to change back to 'thesis advisor', so I would like to know more about the status and purpose of the Relators Reconciled list. Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: 22 August 2013 21:43 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello I've just come across NDMSO's MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But I'm not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? I'm particularly interested in whether or when we can use 'thesis advisor'. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Thanks, Joan. 'degree supervisor' (which is newish in Appendix I and is not in the Relators Reconciled list) and 'thesis advisor' (in the Relators Reconciled list but not in Appendix I) do seem to have almost the same coverage, although the former would have the advantage of clearly applying to non-textual submissions, such as original musical compositions submitted for a D.Mus degree. However, we have always used 'thesis advisor' here, and it would be tiresome to change to 'degree supervisor' and then have to change back to 'thesis advisor', so I would like to know more about the status and purpose of the Relators Reconciled list. Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: 22 August 2013 21:43 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello I've just come across NDMSO's MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But I'm not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? I'm particularly interested in whether or when we can use 'thesis advisor'. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Bernadette For a discussion on the semantic relationship between RDA relationship designators and MARC relator codes, see the discussion paper submitted to JSC [1], and the related appendix 1 [2]. Any comments are most welcome! I did not indicate a mapping from Appendix I degree supervisor to the MARC relator code list pending further discussion, so I would advise you not to change anything in the meantime. Cheers Gordon [1] http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-CILIP-rep-3.pdf [2] http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-CILIP-rep-3-Appendix-1.pdf From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary O'Reilly Sent: 23 August 2013 09:39 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators Thanks, Joan. degree supervisor (which is newish in Appendix I and is not in the Relators Reconciled list) and thesis advisor (in the Relators Reconciled list but not in Appendix I) do seem to have almost the same coverage, although the former would have the advantage of clearly applying to non-textual submissions, such as original musical compositions submitted for a D.Mus degree. However, we have always used thesis advisor here, and it would be tiresome to change to degree supervisor and then have to change back to thesis advisor, so I would like to know more about the status and purpose of the Relators Reconciled list. Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: 22 August 2013 21:43 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello Ive just come across NDMSOs MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But Im not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? Im particularly interested in whether or when we can use thesis advisor. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Bernadette Thanks for your explanation. I know what you mean. My question actually is these two terms are quite close. It would be hard for us to choose if they both are allowed to us. Thanks again, Joan Wang On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Thanks, Joan. ** ** ‘degree supervisor’ (which is newish in Appendix I and is not in the Relators Reconciled list) and ‘thesis advisor’ (in the Relators Reconciled list but not in Appendix I) do seem to have almost the same coverage, although the former would have the advantage of clearly applying to non-textual submissions, such as original musical compositions submitted for a D.Mus degree. ** ** However, we have always used ‘thesis advisor’ here, and it would be tiresome to change to ‘degree supervisor’ and then have to change back to ‘thesis advisor’, so I would like to know more about the status and purpose of the Relators Reconciled list. ** ** Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* 22 August 2013 21:43 *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators ** ** I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? ** ** On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello I’ve just come across NDMSO’s “MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled”, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But I’m not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? I’m particularly interested in whether or when we can use ‘thesis advisor’. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Sorry. should be allowed to use (not us). Thanks. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Bernadette Thanks for your explanation. I know what you mean. My question actually is these two terms are quite close. It would be hard for us to choose if they both are allowed to us. Thanks again, Joan Wang On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Thanks, Joan. ** ** ‘degree supervisor’ (which is newish in Appendix I and is not in the Relators Reconciled list) and ‘thesis advisor’ (in the Relators Reconciled list but not in Appendix I) do seem to have almost the same coverage, although the former would have the advantage of clearly applying to non-textual submissions, such as original musical compositions submitted for a D.Mus degree. ** ** However, we have always used ‘thesis advisor’ here, and it would be tiresome to change to ‘degree supervisor’ and then have to change back to ‘thesis advisor’, so I would like to know more about the status and purpose of the Relators Reconciled list. ** ** Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* 22 August 2013 21:43 *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators ** ** I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? ** ** On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello I’ve just come across NDMSO’s “MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled”, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But I’m not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? I’m particularly interested in whether or when we can use ‘thesis advisor’. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
[RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
Hello I've just come across NDMSO's MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. But I'm not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? I'm particularly interested in whether or when we can use 'thesis advisor'. Please can anyone elucidate? Best wishes, Bernadette *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 ***
Re: [RDA-L] Reconciliation of RDA and MARC relators
I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2. 'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree. 'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a dissertation. Are they same? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hello ** ** I’ve just come across NDMSO’s “MARC and RDA Relators Reconciled”, http://www.loc.gov/marc/annmarcrdarelators.html, dated May. This offers a single list of relators, with MARC/RDA overlaps resolved. ** ** But I’m not clear about the status of this list. Does it mean that LC now approves the use of all the relators in it, including the ones which do not occur in Appendix I? The LC-PCC PS on I.1 still recommends the PCC guidelines, and they still require the use of terms from Appendix I. Or does it mean that the non-RDA terms will be fast-tracked into Appendix I? Or neither? ** ** I’m particularly interested in whether or when we can use ‘thesis advisor’. ** ** Please can anyone elucidate? ** ** Best wishes, Bernadette ** ** *** Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk 01865 2-77134 *** ** ** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
