[RDA-L] Victoria

[Ian Fairclough]

RDA-L readers,

A little more grist for the mill.  While recording Victoria in field 370 of a 
NAR, I spent a little time looking for the qualifier.  Turns out that the 
Australian state doesn't have one, see n  79046608.   The conclusion: it, and 
it alone, is the unqualified Victoria.

So, perhaps it should  be recorded as:


370  Australia--Victoria

(But DCM Z1 370 says nothing of the sort!)


My understanding is that Victoria is a neighborhood in London adjoining the 
eponymous rail and coach stations along Buckingham Palace Road.  If you find an 
authority record for it, you deserve high honor, if not reward.  

Sincerely - Ian

 
Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com

Re: [RDA-L] Victoria

[Adam L. Schiff]

Actually if you are recording the state of Victoria in the 370, current 
policy and RDA instructions tell you to use the abbreviations for places 
in Appendix B.11, which means that you would record the form that would be 
used if the place were being added as a qualifier:


Vic.

Recording Victoria spelled out is not correct according to current policy.

Adam

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Ian Fairclough wrote:


RDA-L readers,


A little more grist for the mill.  While recording Victoria in field 370 of a NAR, I 
spent a little time looking for the qualifier.  Turns out that the Australian state 
doesn't have one, see n  79046608.   The conclusion: it, and it alone, is the unqualified 
Victoria.

So, perhaps it should  be recorded as:


370  Australia--Victoria

(But DCM Z1 370 says nothing of the sort!)


My understanding is that Victoria is a neighborhood in London adjoining the 
eponymous rail and coach stations along Buckingham Palace Road.  If you find an 
authority record for it, you deserve high honor, if not reward.  

Sincerely - Ian

 
Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com

[RDA-L] Victoria

[Ian Fairclough]

RDA-L readers,

Thanks to Adam Schiff for his correction.  All is now clear - perhaps.  Once 
again, I feel like I've been booby-trapped.  Like many aspects of contemporary 
cataloging, mine was an error just waiting to happen.


DCM Z1 370 has: Use the established form of the geographic place name as found 
in the LC/NAF, with the same adjustments as when using the place name as a 
parenthetical qualifier to names.  (Note: The phrase parenthetical qualifier 
retrieves no results when used in
 the RDA Quick Search box.)

9.11.1.3 Recording Places of Residence has Record
 the place or places (town, city, province, state, and/or country) in 
which the person resides or has resided. Record the place name as 
instructed in chapter 16. Abbreviate the names of countries, states, 
provinces, territories, etc., as instructed in appendix B (B.11), as 
applicable.

And yes, there in B.11, Victoria is abbreviated 
Vic.  One can be quite clear about this, provided you've read and understood 
the 
instructions at the head:


Use the abbreviations in table B.1 for the names of certain countries and for 
the names of states, 
provinces, territories, etc., of Australia, Canada, and the United 
States when the names are recorded:
a) as part of the name of a place located in that state, province, territory, 
etc. (see 16.2.2.9) or other jurisdiction (see 16.2.2.11)
b) as the name or part of the name of a place associated with a person (see 
9.8–9.11) family (see 10.5), or corporate body (see 11.3).
Do not abbreviate the name of a city or town even if it has the same name as a 
state, etc., listed in table B.1 (e.g., Washington, D.C. not Wash., D.C.). Do 
not abbreviate any place name that is not in the list.
In my opinion this is AACR2 legacy thinking, and it's time 
to get rid of these abbreviations.  If you must spell out approximately,
 when approx. and c. are in common usage in the English-speaking world, then 
abbreviating as Vic. for the supposed benefit of people some of 
whom won't even know it's an Australian state is not helpful.  Good luck with 
compliance on this one.  

Is there now a chorus of Yes, we know! and We'll change those instructions 
as soon as we can!? 

- Ian P.S. I changed Victoria to Vic. in the draft NAR awaiting review.  
But I'm tempted to change it back :-)


Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com