[RDA-L] avant-titres
I thought that RDA is for making things simpler, but when I read 2.3.4 and beyond, I found “avant-titres” which I have never heard of and could not find in Webster online either. I consider it’s ironic to have words like this in RDA Toolkit. --angelina 2.3.4.1 Scope Other title information▼http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdaglosstarget=rdagloss-1316#rdagloss-1316 is information that appears in conjunction with, and is subordinate to, the title proper of a resource. Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc., of the resource or the motives for, or occasion of, its production, publication, etc. Other title information includes subtitles, avant-titres, etc., but does not include variations on the title proper such as spine titles, sleeve titles, etc. (see 2.3.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-4004#rda2-4004) or designations and/or names of parts, sections, or supplements (see 2.3.1.7[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3328#rda2-3328). Other title information may be supplied for cartographic resources (see 2.3.4.5[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3884#rda2-3884) and moving image resources (see 2.3.4.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3899#rda2-3899). Angelina Joseph Cataloging Librarian Ray Kay Eckstein Law Library Marquette University Milwaukee, WI 53201 Ph: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: angelina.jos...@marquette.edu _ inline: image001.png
Re: [RDA-L] avant-titres
I think that is more commonly called half-title. The definitions in 2.3.4.1 are basically just ported over from the glossary definition in AACR2. Could probably use an update... Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joseph, Angelina Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:42 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] avant-titres I thought that RDA is for making things simpler, but when I read 2.3.4 and beyond, I found “avant-titres” which I have never heard of and could not find in Webster online either. I consider it’s ironic to have words like this in RDA Toolkit. --angelina 2.3.4.1 Scope Other title information▼http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdaglosstarget=rdagloss-1316#rdagloss-1316 is information that appears in conjunction with, and is subordinate to, the title proper of a resource. Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc., of the resource or the motives for, or occasion of, its production, publication, etc. Other title information includes subtitles, avant-titres, etc., but does not include variations on the title proper such as spine titles, sleeve titles, etc. (see 2.3.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-4004#rda2-4004) or designations and/or names of parts, sections, or supplements (see 2.3.1.7[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3328#rda2-3328). Other title information may be supplied for cartographic resources (see 2.3.4.5[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3884#rda2-3884) and moving image resources (see 2.3.4.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3899#rda2-3899). Angelina Joseph Cataloging Librarian Ray Kay Eckstein Law Library Marquette University Milwaukee, WI 53201 Ph: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: angelina.jos...@marquette.edumailto:angelina.jos...@marquette.edu _ inline: image001.png
Re: [RDA-L] avant-titres
The ISBD consolidated edition defines it as “other title information introducing the title proper, and occurring above the title proper on the prescribed source of information for the title and statement of responsibility area.” Sounds sort of like “Evaluation of pilot project” in the other thread. -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edumailto:host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joseph, Angelina Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 09:42 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] avant-titres I thought that RDA is for making things simpler, but when I read 2.3.4 and beyond, I found “avant-titres” which I have never heard of and could not find in Webster online either. I consider it’s ironic to have words like this in RDA Toolkit. --angelina 2.3.4.1 Scope Other title information▼http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdaglosstarget=rdagloss-1316#rdagloss-1316 is information that appears in conjunction with, and is subordinate to, the title proper of a resource. Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc., of the resource or the motives for, or occasion of, its production, publication, etc. Other title information includes subtitles, avant-titres, etc., but does not include variations on the title proper such as spine titles, sleeve titles, etc. (see 2.3.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-4004#rda2-4004) or designations and/or names of parts, sections, or supplements (see 2.3.1.7[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3328#rda2-3328). Other title information may be supplied for cartographic resources (see 2.3.4.5[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3884#rda2-3884) and moving image resources (see 2.3.4.6[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2target=rda2-3899#rda2-3899). Angelina Joseph Cataloging Librarian Ray Kay Eckstein Law Library Marquette University Milwaukee, WI 53201 Ph: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: angelina.jos...@marquette.edumailto:angelina.jos...@marquette.edu _ inline: image001.png
Re: [RDA-L] avant-titres / evaluation of pilot project example
John Hostage wrote: The ISBD consolidated edition defines it as other title information introducing the title proper, and occurring above the title proper on the prescribed source of information for the title and statement of responsibility area. Sounds sort of like Evaluation of pilot project in the other thread. I just checked the ISBD consolidated, hoping for an example of an avant-titre, but couldn't find anything. It seems the term only appears in the glossary (which I find rather odd). In the preliminary German translation of RDA, avant-titre was translated as Schmutztitel, which in turn corresponds to half-title in English. This meaning of avant-titre can be also found in French dictionaries, e.g. here on the web: http://www.dictionarist.com/avant-titre But that, of course, doesn't fit in with the ISBD glossary. Fortunately, I found something helpful in the French cataloging rules (Catalogage des monographies - texte imprimé, FD Z 44-050, 1.4.4.4): --- Un avant-titre apparaissant sur la page de titre ou son substitut est donné après le titre propre s'il n'y a pas d'impossibilité grammaticale ou de sens ; sinon, il est donné en note. EXEMPLES L'art des nomades [Texte imprimé] : des Scythes aux Hongrois Je roule sans accident! [Texte imprimé] _En note_: Avant-titre : un professionel de l'auto vous dit... _Commentaire_: L'avant-titre apparaît en petits caractères au-dessus du titre propre. -- If I understand this correctly (my French being much worse than my English), the des Scythes aux Hongrois in the first example actually appears above the L'art des nomades on the t.p., but is transcribed as other title information. As French cataloging is extremely close to ISBD, this transposition must indeed be allowed by ISBD. Well, it's always nice to learn something new in cataloging :-) So, it seems that it's really possible according to ISBD (and also according to RDA) to transcribe things, which look like other title information but come before what looks like the title proper as other title information, i.e. reverse the order. Although I still don't really feel comfortable with it, I now concede that evaluation of pilot project can be seen as an avant-titre, so that Cathy's example can perfectly well be given as: 245 _0 $a Emergency traffic control for responders : $b evaluation of pilot project A note on title would be in order here, as already suggested by Mac. But as the whole thing is certainly not obvious, there really should be an example illustrating it in RDA. Also, there could sometimes be problems in distinguishing an avant-titre from introductory words (RDA 2.3.1.6). The un professionel de l'auto vous dit... in the second French example could perhaps equally well be interpreted as introductory words. Heidrun -- - Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. Stuttgart Media University Faculty of Information and Communication Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi
