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I was going to suggest that is it unmediated, like a book. However, this email refers to You don't need anything other than the object itself While the playaway device is considered the device the material is recorded on, does it automatically include the headphones? Would a library require that the patron have them? Would the library check those out, also? And, what is being cataloged? The book title does require the equipment, though the equipment (other than stated above) does not require additional equipment. Just a thought. I do not anticipate our library using them, and would like to think the data is unmediated, but not sure. kathie Kathleen Goldfarb Technical Services Librarian College of the Mainland Texas City, TX 77539 409 933 8202 P Please consider whether it is necessary to print this email. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of M. E. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:27 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Good point. I had my media type flipped on its head--thinking of the audio file in the Playaway rather than the Playaway itself. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: Yes, I might have a different opinion if you could move information on and off a Playaway. But they exist as a dedicated player for a single book. No mediation is required to use one. I don't see why it would make a difference that it is digital. Do you agree that a windup music box would be unmediated? ** I'd agree that a music box is an unmediated object. Part of the problem is that RDA doesn't completely get away from mixing up content and carrier with its categories like audio carrier. It almost seems to me that they would have been better off with more form-based categories like magnetic tape or projected rolls or optical disc and then talk about any audio or visual aspects of the carrier separately. Definitions: Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. audio: Media used to store recorded sound, designed for use with a playback device such as a turntable, audiocassette player, CD player, or MP3 player. Includes media used to store digitally encoded as well as analog sound. unmediated: Media used to store content designed to be perceived directly through one or more of the human senses without the aid of an intermediating device. Includes media containing visual and/or tactile content produced using processes such as printing, engraving, lithography, etc., embossing, texturing, etc., or by means of handwriting, drawing, painting, etc. Also includes media used to convey three-dimensional forms such as sculptures, models, etc. If you think about the spectrum of things that make noise: You can bang on most physical objects and make a sound; that doesn't really affect the media/carrier type decision Where I used to work, they had musical instruments in their collection: drums, flute, even a didgeridoo. These would seem to be unmediated objects since it's the user making the audio rather than recorded sound. Some objects make noise, such as toys like a fire truck with a siren or talking dolls. These may be recorded sounds, but they usually aren't interacted with primarily as audio carriers so they still seem like unmediated objects Music boxes, according to Wikipedia, use clockwork to power an automatic musical instrument that produces sounds by the use of a set of pins placed on a revolving cylinder or disc so as to pluck the tuned teeth (or lamellae) of a steel comb. So I think this still isn't recorded sound and thus falls into the unmediated object category. Plus they may be of interest visually or from a tactile aspect as well as aurally. I have some friends who have a self-playing piano that plays from sheets of perforated paper that were created based on performances by famous pianists. That does seem like a recording even though the music is created afresh every time. However, since you'd probably catalog the rolls separately, probably they would have an audio carrier and the piano would just be an unmediated object. Playaways are recorded sound. That recorded sound can't be perceived directly in the way that notes from a music box can. Inside the Playaway is some kind of memory card with the recorded sound and some intervening technology that changes those bits and bytes into something that human ears can hear. Imagine a library circulates MP3 players that they've preloaded with audiobooks. I don't know of any libraries that do this, but it's analogous to what some do with ebook readers. Why is this so different from a Playaway? It's the same experience from the patrons point of view; it's just that the library has loaded the content instead of the publisher. And RDA explicitly says that MP3 players are audio carriers. Then, of course, you have your traditional audio carriers: records, cassettes, CDs RDA considers music downloaded from online another matter entirely with a computer media type and an online resource carrier type. Music files can also be stored on computer discs. A strict reading of the definitions with their emphasis on a separate intermediating device does seem to leave you stuck with unmediated object for Playaway. But I wonder if that is really the intention of RDA or if the definitions were just constructed with a lack of foresight for objects where the content and the intermediation device are one and the same. I think of intermediation as the technology between the content and the user. It seems to me that you can perceive the audio content of a music box directly in a way that you can't with a Playaway without some intervening technology, even if that technology is embedded in the carrier. It also seems to me that the sound characteristics at 3.16 (type of recording, recording medium, configuration of playback channels) are relevant to Playaways in a way that they aren't for music boxes. To me, this aligns Playaways more
Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways
I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either.
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Maybe we need a new media type (or would it be an unmediated carrier type??) that is something like interactive?? In all the examples so far (Playaway, music box, Kindle), the user needs to do something to make it work, even though the user does not need an *additional* device to gain access. Just a thought. Sara Shatford Layne Principal Cataloger UCLA Library Cataloging Metadata Center -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kelley McGrath Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:48 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either.
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The RDA Content Type audio does cover MP3 players as the intermediary device (RDA 3.2). Which would result in: Content type=audio and Carrier type=other and which does correspond generally with current Playaway AACR2 record values: GMD = [sound recording] 300$a = 1 sound media player 007/00=s - sound recording 007/00=z - other But there is also a 006/00=m (computer file/electronic resource) and a 007/00=c (electronic resource), as well as a 008/23=q (direct electronic). I'm wondering for the computer-like other carrier, there couldn't be a simplification based around the idea of the file server. For Carrier Type=online resource, according to the RDA/ONIX Framework (http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2007/5chair10.pdf) the StorageMediumFormat value is file server. This makes sense when considering remote access or online resources, but a file server can also be accessed directly (similar to direct electronic). A portable media player is essentially a miniaturized and mass-produced file server, but accessed in a direct electronic way. So perhaps all one needs is a new value for StorageMediumFormat parallel to file server such as digital media player. The word player denotes this will be a direct electronic device as opposed to a remote access file server. So, following RDA/ONIX generally one could have: StorageMediumFormat = digital media player HousingFormat = not applicable IntermediationTool = audio producing a label for Carrier Type audio media player and Media Type = audio. Switch to IntermediationTool = video for Playaway Views and one gets Carrier Type = video media player and Media Type = video. and switch to IntermediationTool = computer for portable multimedia devices (perhaps for all-in-one tablets or ebook readers that can combine digitized text, audio and video) and one gets Carrier Type = multimedia player and Media Type = computer. In RDA, Media Type=computer can be used for online or direct electronic access. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kelley McGrath Sent: March-15-13 2:48 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either.
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FWIW I've been arguing there needs to be a *content* type for interactive for a long time. Interactive media is only going to become more prevalent in libraries, not less. However I'm not sure interactive would be an appropriate carrier type--A categorization reflecting the format of the storage medium and housing of a carrier in combination with the type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. It's a good question, though. Mutatis mutandis--is a television (if one were for some reason want to catalog it) unmediated? After all, all you do is flip a switch and watch it... --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Layne, Sara Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:58 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways Maybe we need a new media type (or would it be an unmediated carrier type??) that is something like interactive?? In all the examples so far (Playaway, music box, Kindle), the user needs to do something to make it work, even though the user does not need an *additional* device to gain access. Just a thought. Sara Shatford Layne Principal Cataloger UCLA Library Cataloging Metadata Center -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kelley McGrath Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:48 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either.
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Is Playaway a storage medium (carrier) as well as a player medium? Probably a stupid question :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either. -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
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Sorry. should be a playing medium. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Is Playaway a storage medium (carrier) as well as a player medium? Probably a stupid question :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.eduwrote: I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either. -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
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If we back up to 3.2.1.1. in the toolkit we find: Scope Media type▼http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdaglosstarget=rdagloss-104#rdagloss-104 is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. Because the Playaway does not require an intermediation device, I think one has to conclude that it is an unmediated object. Awkward? Yes. Misleading to patrons? Maybe. Correct per the premiere resource of RDA standards? I think so...for now. --Pam On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Sorry. should be a playing medium. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Is Playaway a storage medium (carrier) as well as a player medium? Probably a stupid question :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.eduwrote: I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either. -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound 217-291-1144
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Yes, I might have a different opinion if you could move information on and off a Playaway. But they exist as a dedicated player for a single book. No mediation is required to use one. I don't see why it would make a difference that it is digital. Do you agree that a windup music box would be unmediated? Bob Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kelley McGrath Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:48 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent to the end user. The user doesn't have to put a disc in; they just put in batteries and push play. Mediation for digital content is likely to become increasingly transparent. In a sense everything tangible that we catalog is an object, but a Playaway is presumably wanted not as something to be looked at or touched, but as an integrated audio carrier. If you could move content on and off the Playaway, would that change your opinion? If a library circulates audiobooks on ipods or ebooks on a Kindle, should those records also be for objects? This actually seems to be an unsettled area. Kelley On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either.
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Sara said:
Maybe we need a new media type (or would it be an unmediated carrier
type??) that is something like interactive?? ...
I agree we need an additional term. Other is very uninformative.
The MRIs have one: equipment.
Even for a print book, one (or some of us) must put on our bifocals,
and open the book, both of which are actions on our part.
Unless you are willing to use the MRI equipment, for now the MP3
should be performed music or spoken word, unmediated, and
object.
Object is almost as uninformative as other; fine for a rock, but
for an electronic reader?
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Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: Granted that a Playaway can be judged as unmediated. But nevertheless, something that arose earlier in this discussion caught my attention: the suggested use of other with media type audio. Surely other is only established as controlled vocabulary for use when 338 = unmediated? I do not see other listed under other media types, unless I missed something. Look at the penultimate sentence under 3.2 (after the table). And under 3.3 and 6.9, for that matter. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
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Apparently it is not easy to make paragraphs and sentences consistent. I am kidding. Have fun :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: RDA-L readers, Thanks to Mark Ehlert for the correction to my earlier post. Here are the instructions he refers to. Curiously, 3.2.1.3 has a table, but 3.3.1.3 does not. 6.9.1.3 has a table and also a link from the sentence to the head of the table. 3.2.1.3 Recording Media Type: If none of the terms listed in table 3.1 apply to the carrier of the resource being described, record other. If the media type or types applicable to the resource being described cannot be readily ascertained, record unspecified. 3.3.1.3 Recording Carrier Type: If none of the terms listed above apply to the carrier or carriers of the resource being described, record other. If the carrier type or types applicable to the resource being described cannot be readily ascertained, record unspecified. 6.9.1.3 Recording Content Type If none of the terms listed in table 6.1http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp6target=rda6-3422#rda6-3422apply to the content of the resource being described, record other. If the content type applicable to the resource being described cannot be readily ascertained, record unspecified. - Ian -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
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Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
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Thank you for your opinion. I agree that audio cartridge is not a good fit. It looks like we will continue to hash this one out. --Pam On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/ -- *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound 217-291-1144
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In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don't need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource. No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn't a good carrier type under the other categories either. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of M. E. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:16 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.commailto:withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
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Mark said:
In my opinion:
336 -- spoken word
337 -- audio
338 -- other
A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio
cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape).
I agree with Mark, but did not comment on this originally because of
the uselessness of other. The MRIs have equipment as a carrier,
which would fit.
There are ISBD Area 0 terms which are superior to RDA ones for content
and media, but not for carrier. There is an approved code for ISBD
Area 0 terms, but not for MRI ones. Perhaps local as used with
other fields?
I wonder how many of the creators of RDA are front line cataloguers as
opposed to administrations a bit removed from the fray? Situations
with which we deal daily are not well addressed, including kits and
equipment.
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Thank you, Bob. That is an excellent point. I never would have thought of it that way. --Pam On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.eduwrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don’t need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Media type is “a categorization reflecting the general type of intermediation device required to view, play, run, etc., the content of a resource.” No intermediation device is needed to hear/play the content of a Playaway. ** ** I find it analogous to a music box, which would also be unmediated. ** ** There is not a good unmediated carrier type (yet) for a Playaway. But as noted below, there isn’t a good carrier type under the other categories either. ** ** Bob ** ** Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *M. E. *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:16 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways ** ** Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.com wrote: Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge In my opinion: 336 -- spoken word 337 -- audio 338 -- other A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape). -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/ -- *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound 217-291-1144
Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways
Yes, other leaves a lot to the imagination!
--Pam
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:35 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote:
Mark said:
In my opinion:
336 -- spoken word
337 -- audio
338 -- other
A Playaway Audio doesn't quite fit under the definition of an audio
cartridge (a cartridge containing audio tape).
I agree with Mark, but did not comment on this originally because of
the uselessness of other. The MRIs have equipment as a carrier,
which would fit.
There are ISBD Area 0 terms which are superior to RDA ones for content
and media, but not for carrier. There is an approved code for ISBD
Area 0 terms, but not for MRI ones. Perhaps local as used with
other fields?
I wonder how many of the creators of RDA are front line cataloguers as
opposed to administrations a bit removed from the fray? Situations
with which we deal daily are not well addressed, including kits and
equipment.
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Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways
Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote: In my opinion a Playaway is unmediated. You don’t need anything other than the object itself (and a source of electricity) to get the information, in contrast to, say, a CD, which you need to put in a machine in order to use. Good point. I had my media type flipped on its head--thinking of the audio file in the Playaway rather than the Playaway itself. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
