Re: [Rdkit-discuss] para-stereochemistry

2021-05-27 Thread Brian Cole
I always refer back to this graphic in Alberto Gobbi's "Handling of
Tautomerism and Stereochemistry in Compound Registration" paper:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/ci200330x

[image: image.png]

@Greg Landrum , I would interpret "para
stereochemistry" as #3 in the above image. And "dependent stereochemistry"
as #2 in the above plot since the stereochemistry depends on the
stereochemistry of other centers.

Alberto's paper defines the above as:
1. steroegenic atom/chiral: typical right/left; R/S
2. pseudo-chiral (referencing an IUPAC paper and the gold book); note, the
same thing can happen with cis/trans double bond stereo, not depicted above
3. symmetric stereogenic centers
4. stereogenic bond: typical cis/trans; E/Z
5. atropisomers

TLDR: english is so imprecise, show me the SMILES. :-)

-Brian


On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:32 AM Greg Landrum  wrote:

>
> I first heard the term "para stereochemistry" from Salome Rieder (a PhD
> student at the ETH Zurich), who pointed me to this paper as a source for
> term:
> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ci00016a003
>
> I tend to call this "dependent stereochemistry" since I think it's clear,
> but that's definitely something I just made up. :-)
>
> -greg
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:54 PM Jean-Marc Nuzillard <
> jm.nuzill...@univ-reims.fr> wrote:
>
>> Dear Paolo,
>>
>> According to https://goldbook.iupac.org/terms/view/P04921
>> your interpretation is certainly the correct one.
>> I still have to find how this r/s assignment is determined.
>>
>> Many thanks again,
>>
>> Jean-Marc
>>
>>
>> Le 26/05/2021 à 22:40, Paolo Tosco a écrit :
>> > Dear Jean-Marc,
>> >
>> > I believe it indicates what the IUPAC Gold Book refers to as
>> pseudoasymmetry.
>> > Let’s see if others agree with my interpretation.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > P.
>> >
>> >> On 26 May 2021, at 22:28, Jean-Marc Nuzillard <
>> jm.nuzill...@univ-reims.fr> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I believed I sent a message with the same title a few minutes ago,
>> but apparently something went wrong.
>> >>
>> >> Reading the RDKit book about function FindMolChiralCenters(),
>> >> I saw that it provides a better handling of para-stereochemisry.
>> >> This concept is not familiar to me.
>> >> Google did not help and sent me back to the RDKit Book.
>> >> So, what is para-stereochemistry?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Jean-Marc
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
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Re: [Rdkit-discuss] para-stereochemistry

2021-05-27 Thread Greg Landrum
I first heard the term "para stereochemistry" from Salome Rieder (a PhD
student at the ETH Zurich), who pointed me to this paper as a source for
term:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ci00016a003

I tend to call this "dependent stereochemistry" since I think it's clear,
but that's definitely something I just made up. :-)

-greg


On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:54 PM Jean-Marc Nuzillard <
jm.nuzill...@univ-reims.fr> wrote:

> Dear Paolo,
>
> According to https://goldbook.iupac.org/terms/view/P04921
> your interpretation is certainly the correct one.
> I still have to find how this r/s assignment is determined.
>
> Many thanks again,
>
> Jean-Marc
>
>
> Le 26/05/2021 à 22:40, Paolo Tosco a écrit :
> > Dear Jean-Marc,
> >
> > I believe it indicates what the IUPAC Gold Book refers to as
> pseudoasymmetry.
> > Let’s see if others agree with my interpretation.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > P.
> >
> >> On 26 May 2021, at 22:28, Jean-Marc Nuzillard <
> jm.nuzill...@univ-reims.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believed I sent a message with the same title a few minutes ago, but
> apparently something went wrong.
> >>
> >> Reading the RDKit book about function FindMolChiralCenters(),
> >> I saw that it provides a better handling of para-stereochemisry.
> >> This concept is not familiar to me.
> >> Google did not help and sent me back to the RDKit Book.
> >> So, what is para-stereochemistry?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Jean-Marc
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Marc Nuzillard
> >> Directeur de Recherches au CNRS
> >>
> >> Institut de Chimie Moléculaire de Reims
> >> CNRS UMR 7312
> >> Moulin de la Housse
> >> CPCBAI, Bâtiment 18
> >> BP 1039
> >> 51687 REIMS Cedex 2
> >> France
> >>
> >> Tel : 03 26 91 82 10
> >> Fax : 03 26 91 31 66
> >> http://www.univ-reims.fr/icmr
> >> http://eos.univ-reims.fr/LSD/CSNteam.html
> >>
> >> http://www.univ-reims.fr/LSD/
> >> http://www.univ-reims.fr/LSD/JmnSoft/
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> --
> Jean-Marc Nuzillard
> Directeur de Recherches au CNRS
>
> Institut de Chimie Moléculaire de Reims
> CNRS UMR 7312
> Moulin de la Housse
> CPCBAI, Bâtiment 18
> BP 1039
> 51687 REIMS Cedex 2
> France
>
> Tel : 03 26 91 82 10
> Fax : 03 26 91 31 66
> http://www.univ-reims.fr/icmr
> http://eos.univ-reims.fr/LSD/CSNteam.html
>
> http://www.univ-reims.fr/LSD/
> http://www.univ-reims.fr/LSD/JmnSoft/
>
>
>
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