Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island DC wire size
Jay, a pic would be sweet. We run into these issue a lot in the off-grid world. Thanks, Christopher -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of jay peltz Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 22:05 To: ho...@catamountsolar.com; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island DC wire size HI Howie, I've seen someone use a single 4/0 fine stranded cable with a regular lug on the end of it. they then cut the top of the hole out to make in a sense a U shape. Each side of the U fit into each side of the 2 hole barrel connector on the SI. Super slick iI thought. I can send you a pic if you want. jay peltz power On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Howie Michaelson wrote: Hi it has been more than a year since I wired up a Sunny Island 5048 system and I'm trying to determine lug size for the DC conductors. My memory is that the maxiumm wire size was (2) #1 conductors each for positive and negative. Looking in the most recent SI manual states The Sunny Island has a MAX DC terminal rated for 2x #2/0 AWG for DC+, DC- and PE. Not sure if that is a typo - anyone no definitively? The tech support line has gotten to have as long a hold time as Outback, Xantrex, etc... Thanks, Howie -- Howie Michaelson NABCEP Certified Solar PV InstallerT Catamount Solar, LLC Renewable Energy Systems Sales and Service VT Solar Electric Hot Water Incentive Partner http://www.CatamountSolar.com 802-272-0004 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
We see the same issue here in WI. Funny that you say 64 minutes, as some of the M215s show the error for 64 minutes for us routinely. Could that just be some designated error reporting length? Daryl, thanks for the Enphase update. Keep us updated if you can on the software fix. Ryan HarkinsNABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer /Project Manager PastedGraphic-3.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document Synergy Renewable Systems, LLCPO Box 58Stoughton, WI 53589PH: 608-712-7862ryan.hark...@energycraft.comwww.energycraft.com On Feb 5, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote:Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periodssometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes.Dave-Original Message-From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Ofpenobscotso...@midmaine.comSent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PMTo: RE-wrenchesSubject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase "AC Frequency out of Range"Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. Ihave been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and theyare working on a software fix for this. The"event" itself is only a fractionof a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for fiveminutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for thiscustomer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with asoftware fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according toEnphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded throughthe Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should bereconciled soon.Daryl DeJoyNABCEP Certified PV installerPenobscot Solar Designwww.penobscotsolar.comWrenchsters,I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being "read" every hour. This system has experienced many "AC Frequency Out Of Range" events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to64 minutes.My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues?Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM ESTCleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM ESTRecommended actionThis condition should correct itself. No action is required.DetailsThe microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regionalstandards.AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid.Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility.When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best,DaveDavid PalumboIndependent Power LLC462 Solar Way DriveHyde Park, VT 05655www.independentpowerllc.comVermont Solar Partner25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194___List sponsored by Home Power magazineList Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgOptions settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList-Archive:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org___List sponsored by Home Power magazineList Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgOptions settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList-Archive:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org___List sponsored by Home Power magazineList Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.orgOptions settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.orgList rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htmCheck out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Dave, It doesn't happen often, and the longest I've seen him stay down is about a half hour, but it seems to get progressively worse as time goes on for some reason (initially only the five minutes, but longer down times lately). This particular customer is difficult and picky, to boot. I hope yours is a bit kinder. Mine seems to think we did him an injustice of monumental proportions. We have had the utility out there logging events, meetings with the utility and another solar company in Maine to discuss all this, and have kept Enphase in the loop throughout. Enphase has responded in a responsible and reasonable manner throughout. If you want to discuss this with Enphase, call and ask for Bret. He's the engineer I previously dealt with, although he is second tier, he is accessible. Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Will do. Enphase had originally projected the beginning of February for the release of the fix. It is now projected for the end of March. I am hoping it will be a done deal before this next season starts here in Maine. It might be good incentive to try Power One, Exeltech or other inverters. In all honesty, my interpretation is that the Enphase inverters are very sensitive and respond quickly to these pings. I believe the software fix will allow the inverters to ignore micro-events of less than 1/100th of a second or so (the length of the ping. I will keep the list in the loop! Daryl We see the same issue here in WI. Funny that you say 64 minutes, as some of the M215s show the error for 64 minutes for us routinely. Could that just be some designated error reporting length? Daryl, thanks for the Enphase update. Keep us updated if you can on the software fix. Ryan Harkins NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer / Project Manager Synergy Renewable Systems, LLC PO Box 58 Stoughton, WI 53589 PH: 608-712-7862 ryan.hark...@energycraft.com www.energycraft.com On Feb 5, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote: Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
For these installations, do you guys have more information on the utilities' protocols that are causing problems with these inverters? On 2013/2/5 12:51, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: Will do. Enphase had originally projected the beginning of February for the release of the fix. It is now projected for the end of March. I am hoping it will be a done deal before this next season starts here in Maine. It might be good incentive to try Power One, Exeltech or other inverters. In all honesty, my interpretation is that the Enphase inverters are very sensitive and respond quickly to these pings. I believe the software fix will allow the inverters to ignore micro-events of less than 1/100th of a second or so (the length of the ping. I will keep the list in the loop! Daryl We see the same issue here in WI. Funny that you say 64 minutes, as some of the M215s show the error for 64 minutes for us routinely. Could that just be some designated error reporting length? Daryl, thanks for the Enphase update. Keep us updated if you can on the software fix. Ryan Harkins NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer / Project Manager Synergy Renewable Systems, LLC PO Box 58 Stoughton, WI 53589 PH: 608-712-7862 ryan.hark...@energycraft.com www.energycraft.com On Feb 5, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote: Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655 www.independentpowerllc.com Vermont Solar Partner 25 Years Experience, (802) 888-7194 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address:
[RE-wrenches] Mobil inverter with Gen support
Friends: I am shopping for an inverter/charger that has true generator support and is available in a mobile configuration. Can anyone suggest one? I know Xantrex XW inverter were not available in mobile. Outback FX do not have gen support. I am looking to see if the Radian can be had in mobile. I have heard the Sunny Island has gen support, but don't know yet if it is mobile capable. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mobil inverter with Gen support
William: Have a look at the Quattro inverter/charger from Victron Energy. Regards, Roberto Kruse Sistemas de Energa t +506 2273 4545 f +506 2273 1010 email roberto.kr...@sercsa.com www.sercsa.com El 5/2/2013 15:24, William Miller escribi: Friends: I am shopping for an inverter/charger that has true generator support and is available in a mobile configuration. Can anyone suggest one? I know Xantrex XW inverter were not available in mobile. Outback FX do not have gen support. I am looking to see if the Radian can be had in mobile. I have heard the Sunny Island has gen support, but don't know yet if it is mobile capable. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mobil inverter with Gen support
Hello William, If by mobile you are referring to the neutral leg being switched then read on. Depending on your definition of the term true, Magnum Energy has a very advanced AGS control for all their inverters, mobile and off grid. Two remotes are available. For the most advanced AGS control you will want the model ME-ARC remote and the ME-AGS-N. If you also install the ME-BMK (battery capacity meter), you can gen start and stop based on SoC. Very advanced and my favorite. The manuals can be downloaded here for review: http://www.magnumenergy.com/Documents/DocsFront.htm Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:24 PM, William Miller wrote: Friends: I am shopping for an inverter/charger that has true generator support and is available in a mobile configuration. Can anyone suggest one? I know Xantrex XW inverter were not available in mobile. Outback FX do not have gen support. I am looking to see if the Radian can be had in mobile. I have heard the Sunny Island has gen support, but don't know yet if it is mobile capable. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Hi wrenches, The frequency out of range issue is being caused by some utility meter's communication ping. This ping is actually affecting the utility voltage and frequency, and can be viewed with a power quality analyzer. It is highly likely that this is affecting a wide variety of utility-interactive inverters, but is only noticeable with the Enphase systems; due to the high level of visibility that our Enlighten monitoring and reporting provides. These changes required that the software undergo a new certification process. We have completed our CSA certification of the new software, and are validating it's functionality before pushing out the solution to our entire population of microinverters. We are in the process of beta testing the software fix, and are hoping to have this resolved in February. Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve this issue. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:24 AM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: Dave, It doesn't happen often, and the longest I've seen him stay down is about a half hour, but it seems to get progressively worse as time goes on for some reason (initially only the five minutes, but longer down times lately). This particular customer is difficult and picky, to boot. I hope yours is a bit kinder. Mine seems to think we did him an injustice of monumental proportions. We have had the utility out there logging events, meetings with the utility and another solar company in Maine to discuss all this, and have kept Enphase in the loop throughout. Enphase has responded in a responsible and reasonable manner throughout. If you want to discuss this with Enphase, call and ask for Bret. He's the engineer I previously dealt with, although he is second tier, he is accessible. Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart and the microinverter may not begin producing power for an additional short period following the last out-of-bounds condition. Best, Dave David Palumbo Independent Power LLC 462 Solar Way Drive Hyde Park, VT 05655
Re: [RE-wrenches] Hawaii Frequency Settings
Yes Mark, Enphase sets the alternate grid parameters for HI remotely, and will send a letter of confirmation directly to the utility on your behalf. We have preset grid parameters for HECO and MECO. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Mark Frye ma...@berkeleysolar.com wrote: Folks, ** ** I was told that because the HI grid has poor frequency control, grid-tied inverters have to have their low frequency limit set to 57 Hz so they can ride out the worst low frequency events. ** ** I find it hard to believe that this has been done for every single inverter installed in HI. ** ** But, what do I know. ** ** Can anyone shed some light on this? ** ** Thanks, ** ** Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Cordially, *Nick Soleil* *Field Applications Engineer * *Enphase Energy* Mobile: (707) 321-2937 ** *Enphase Commercial Solar.* *Limitless.*http://www.enphase.com/commercial?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sigutm_campaign=Comm2012 * *http://www.enphase.com/commercial?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sigutm_campaign=Comm2012 1420 North McDowell Petaluma, CA 94954 www.enphase.com http://www.enphaseenergy.com/ P: (707) 763-4784 x7267 F: (707) 763-0784 E: nsol...@enphaseenergy.com [image: nabcep logo] Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 “Don’t get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It’s just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there’s an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it’s wireless! .” - William McDonough This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. image002.jpg___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mobil inverter with Gen support
Larry: By true generator support, I do not mean generator start functions. I mean the ability of the inverter to sense when the attached generator is being asked to provide beyond rated amperage and syncing with the generator and assisting in powering loads. Does the Magnum do this? I read the manual and did not see this function. William Miller PS: Xantrex SW, Xantrex XW, Outback Radian and Sunny Island all do this. I don't think any of them provide neutral switching. Wm At 02:22 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Hello William, If by mobile you are referring to the neutral leg being switched then read on. Depending on your definition of the term true, Magnum Energy has a very advanced AGS control for all their inverters, mobile and off grid. Two remotes are available. For the most advanced AGS control you will want the model ME-ARC remote and the ME-AGS-N. If you also install the ME-BMK (battery capacity meter), you can gen start and stop based on SoC. Very advanced and my favorite. The manuals can be downloaded here for review: http://www.magnumenergy.com/Documents/DocsFront.htm Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:24 PM, William Miller wrote: Friends: I am shopping for an inverter/charger that has true generator support and is available in a mobile configuration. Can anyone suggest one? I know Xantrex XW inverter were not available in mobile. Outback FX do not have gen support. I am looking to see if the Radian can be had in mobile. I have heard the Sunny Island has gen support, but don't know yet if it is mobile capable. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5582 - Release Date: 02/04/13 22:19:00 Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Mobil inverter with Gen support
I see. That feature is coming this year in 3 new inverter models from Magnum. They will share up to full output with the generator. The 12 volt will be 3kW, the other two will be 24v, 4kW, one with dual AC inputs. Xantrex has one 3kW 12 volt model with gen support but I have seen quite a few failures so I do not recommend them. Also, they are made in China while the Magnums are US made. If interested see here: http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/inverter-chargers/freedom-sw-12v_newgen.aspx Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:23 PM, William Miller wrote: Larry: By true generator support, I do not mean generator start functions. I mean the ability of the inverter to sense when the attached generator is being asked to provide beyond rated amperage and syncing with the generator and assisting in powering loads. Does the Magnum do this? I read the manual and did not see this function. William Miller PS: Xantrex SW, Xantrex XW, Outback Radian and Sunny Island all do this. I don't think any of them provide neutral switching. Wm At 02:22 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Hello William, If by mobile you are referring to the neutral leg being switched then read on. Depending on your definition of the term true, Magnum Energy has a very advanced AGS control for all their inverters, mobile and off grid. Two remotes are available. For the most advanced AGS control you will want the model ME-ARC remote and the ME-AGS-N. If you also install the ME-BMK (battery capacity meter), you can gen start and stop based on SoC. Very advanced and my favorite. The manuals can be downloaded here for review: http://www.magnumenergy.com/Documents/DocsFront.htm Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:24 PM, William Miller wrote: Friends: I am shopping for an inverter/charger that has true generator support and is available in a mobile configuration. Can anyone suggest one? I know Xantrex XW inverter were not available in mobile. Outback FX do not have gen support. I am looking to see if the Radian can be had in mobile. I have heard the Sunny Island has gen support, but don't know yet if it is mobile capable. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5582 - Release Date: 02/04/13 22:19:00 Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range
Thanks for the succinct explanation Nick. I look forward to the fix. Like you, I believe this is happening with other inverters, but lacking the level of monitoring available with Enphase, people just aren't aware it is happening. Daryl Hi wrenches, The frequency out of range issue is being caused by some utility meter's communication ping. This ping is actually affecting the utility voltage and frequency, and can be viewed with a power quality analyzer. It is highly likely that this is affecting a wide variety of utility-interactive inverters, but is only noticeable with the Enphase systems; due to the high level of visibility that our Enlighten monitoring and reporting provides. These changes required that the software undergo a new certification process. We have completed our CSA certification of the new software, and are validating it's functionality before pushing out the solution to our entire population of microinverters. We are in the process of beta testing the software fix, and are hoping to have this resolved in February. Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve this issue. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:24 AM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: Dave, It doesn't happen often, and the longest I've seen him stay down is about a half hour, but it seems to get progressively worse as time goes on for some reason (initially only the five minutes, but longer down times lately). This particular customer is difficult and picky, to boot. I hope yours is a bit kinder. Mine seems to think we did him an injustice of monumental proportions. We have had the utility out there logging events, meetings with the utility and another solar company in Maine to discuss all this, and have kept Enphase in the loop throughout. Enphase has responded in a responsible and reasonable manner throughout. If you want to discuss this with Enphase, call and ask for Bret. He's the engineer I previously dealt with, although he is second tier, he is accessible. Thanks Daryl. Does your system also sometimes stay off for longer periods sometimes? My clients system can stay off for up to 64 minutes. Dave -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of penobscotso...@midmaine.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:01 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase AC Frequency out of Range Dave, We have been having the same problem with an Enphase system in Maine. I have been dealing directly with the third tier engineers at Enphase and they are working on a software fix for this. Theevent itself is only a fraction of a second but IEEE requirements are that the inverter shut down for five minutes. I only found out about this problem when it started for this customer. It sems that Enphase has already addressed the problem with a software fix for the M-190's. The M-215 fix should come, according to Enphase, by the end of March. It will be automatically downloaded through the Enlighten router. It's a known issue with Smart Meters with Enphase, but should be reconciled soon. Daryl DeJoy NABCEP Certified PV installer Penobscot Solar Design www.penobscotsolar.com Wrenchsters, I have an Enphase 7.5kW system on a residence with utility Smart Metering, both the PV Production Meter as well as the utility billing meter being read every hour. This system has experienced many AC Frequency Out Of Range events since the system was installed. Below is copied the Enphase Event message. This particular event was for 5 minutes. Most of the events (all events are AC Frequency Out Of Range) last 5 to 10 minutes but occasionally they have lasted from 45 minutes to 64 minutes. My question is: Could the use of the smart metering increase the likely hood that AC Frequency events happen? Or is this just a coincidence and that we are dealing with fluctuating utility power AC Frequency issues? Started on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:49 PM EST Cleared on: Mon February 04, 2013 12:54 PM EST Recommended action This condition should correct itself. No action is required. Details The microinverter reports that the frequency coming from the utility is either too low or too high as specified by applicable regional standards. AC frequency is the frequency at which voltage varies on the utility grid. Frequency Out of Range events are usually transient and self-correcting by the utility. When the microinverter detects an out of frequency condition, it must remain offline until the utility has been within acceptable limits continuously for a short period of time (seconds to minutes, varies by region). If during that time the utility again exceeds or falls short of acceptable limits, the five-minute timer must restart
[RE-wrenches] Simplified permit process
A bill has been introduced in our 60-day state legislative session to direct our statewide licensing agency to develop a consistent set of permitting standards for PV systems. Like many states, we suffer a confusing matrix of differing local standards, costs and requirements. I would like to testify at a legislative committee hearing in favor of a common standard. We have our own matrix spreadsheet, and we have the Solar ABCs' Expedited Process as developed by Bill Brooks and others. What I'm looking for are links to the best short, nontechnical and easily read articles about how the permit process has become a large portion of the cost of all PV systems, how it's holding back the adoption and growth of PV, how the Obama administration has recognized this as one of the structural barriers to more renewables adoption, and the like. The best I can find will get printed out and given to the legislators. I have seen many of these articles, on Renewable Energy World and other media, but have never saved them, of course. That's why I'm asking for this assistance. Many of us are facing the same issues in our jurisdictions. Thank you, Allan -- Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer Positive Energy, Inc. 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
