Re: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older Trace/Xantrex inverters

[Bruce Geddes]

I recall from a training seminar a long time ago that the Xantrex and Outback 
sensors were the same.  Don’t know if that is still the case but the Midnite 
are definitely different values as Steve has said.

Bruce Geddes

PowerOn



From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of jay
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2018 10:39 a.m.
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older Trace/Xantrex 
inverters



HI Chris,



Maybe someone else can confirm but I believe the OB and Midnite use the 
thermistors with the same values and are interchangeable.

And both use same RJ-11 plug.



jay

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Re: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older Trace/Xantrex inverters

[Ray]

Is this for the charge controller or the inverter?   Is it on grid or 
off grid?  What is the temperature variation in the room?


I usually don't worry about a temp sensor on the inverter off grid, if 
the batteries are not seeing a big variation in temperature.  Since the 
inverter isn't used much for charging, except when the battery is low, I 
set the inverter charge voltage fairly high, and tell the customer to 
just use the generator to get up to 70% - 80%, then let the solar do the 
rest.  In this scenario the temp sensor really isn't coming into play.


However, If its an on grid backup system where the inverter is involved 
with charging on a daily basis, then yes, the temp sensor is important, 
again only if the battery room is seeing more than a 20 degree 
variation.  Also the temp sensor wires can be repaired: cut out the bad 
section and use outdoor rated telephone splices with the silicone 
sealant, and heat shrink over that.


As others mentioned, using the wrong sensor is going to cause way more 
trouble than its going to fix.  They have different resistance values 
and some have reverse logic from others.  I've seen faulty temp sensors 
literally cook batteries, so if you're not absolutely sure, don't 
connect it.


I have a few old Trace sensors, but there only going to a system that 
really needs them.  Contact me off list.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 8/5/18 7:01 AM, Chris Schaefer wrote:
It's a dual labeled 1997-2002 vintage Xantrex/Trace unit and the old 
BTS is yellow with an RJ-11 connector. Upgrading the client to a new 
bank of Surrettes and in order to be warranty compliant the system 
must have a BTS. So what have the older, wiser wrenches done for a 
replacement? Does anyone have one of these lying around that I could 
purchase? I'll contact Xantrex/Schneider on Monday to see if they are 
still available since they do still sell the C60 CC and perhaps the 
newer BTS are compatible.


Thanks,
Christopher

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
mailto:offgridso...@sti.net>> wrote:


What color wire? The old Xantrex SW & SW+ were yellow. I can't
remember the color of the Trace anymore...  --Dave


Bill the BTS are generally different.
You definitely don't want interchange BTS's... If you use a
Midnite sensor with an Outback itll appear as a very hot battery
and the charger won't charge.
There are just differance between the varistor that is potted for
most companies.

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 6:25 PM mailto:solar1onl...@charter.net>> wrote:

Fellow wrenches,
Am I missing something? Other than the way the sensor
connects to the inverter/CC/??? is this not simply a
thermistor/other discrete component with the appropriate
output? Yes, it is potted for preservation in the potentially
acid vapor environment, and provided with glue when the
attachment is other than the terminal and again, the
connector is specific to each manufacturer.
Thanks for your input,
Bill Loesch
Solar 1
Saint Louis, MO
314 631 1094

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Sent: Saturday August 4 2018 4:04:47PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older
Trace/Xantrex inverters

Good Day All,
Running into a lot of missing or chewed up battery temp
sensors for the older Trace inverters. I'm looking for
potential replacements. Anyone had any luck using another
vendor or do you have a direct replacement source for these?
Thanks,
Christopher-

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Re: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older Trace/Xantrex inverters

[Chris Schaefer]

It's a dual labeled 1997-2002 vintage Xantrex/Trace unit and the old BTS is
yellow with an RJ-11 connector. Upgrading the client to a new bank of
Surrettes and in order to be warranty compliant the system must have a BTS.
So what have the older, wiser wrenches done for a replacement?  Does anyone
have one of these lying around that I could purchase? I'll contact
Xantrex/Schneider on Monday to see if they are still available since they
do still sell the C60 CC and perhaps the newer BTS are compatible.

Thanks,
Christopher

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> What color wire? The old Xantrex SW & SW+ were yellow. I can't remember
> the color of the Trace anymore...  --Dave
>
>
>
> Bill the BTS are generally different.
>
> You definitely don't want interchange BTS's... If you use a Midnite sensor
> with an Outback itll appear as a very hot battery and the charger won't
> charge.
>
> There are just differance between the varistor that is potted for most
> companies.
>
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 6:25 PM  wrote:
>
>> Fellow wrenches,
>>
>> Am I missing something? Other than the way the sensor connects to the
>> inverter/CC/??? is this not simply a thermistor/other discrete component
>> with the appropriate output? Yes, it is potted for preservation in the
>> potentially acid vapor environment, and provided with glue when the
>> attachment is other than the terminal and again, the connector is specific
>> to each manufacturer.
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>>
>> Bill Loesch
>> Solar 1
>> Saint Louis, MO
>> 314 631 1094
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> From: "Chris Schaefer"
>> To: "re-wrenches"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday August 4 2018 4:04:47PM
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] battery temp sensors for older Trace/Xantrex
>> inverters
>>
>> Good Day All,
>>
>> Running into a lot of missing or chewed up battery temp sensors for the
>> older Trace inverters. I'm looking for potential replacements. Anyone had
>> any luck using another vendor or do you have a direct replacement source
>> for these?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christopher-
>>
>> Chris Schaefer's
>> [image: image] 
>>
>> *Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870  *
>> *5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424 **www.solarandwindfx.com
>>  ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
>> *
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>>
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