Re: [RE-wrenches] WEEB-ADR clips

[Jeremy Rodriguez]

You should check with your electrical supplier.
We have sourced some weebs and I recall they were burndy

Jeremy Rodriguez
Solar Installation / Design Expert
All Solar, Inc.
1463 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand.

On Apr 9, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Jerry Caldwell 
mailto:solarcow...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Wrenches,

Does anyone know where and if you can still get WEEB-ADR clips? I need 1,900 of 
them rather urgently. Any advice is appreciated.

Best,
Jerry Caldwell
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing

[Brian Mehalic]

The IEC 62446 standard for IRT on PV is:

Voc@STC x 1.25 = 120 V to  ≤ 500 V, test to 500 V
Voc@STC x 1.25 = > 500 V, test to 1,000 V

They specify using one of two methods:

1. With the array short circuited (a la the Seaward test meter style)

2. Testing both positive and negative to ground - both the negative and
positive leads need to be isolated (fuse open/breaker off, and disconnected
from parallel busbar connections).  In my experience, putting the meter in
series (meter positive to PV negative, meter negative to ground) is usually
sufficient for finding ground-faults.

Make sure the meter-to-ground connection is low resistance, and that the
connection point is something that is actually bonded to the equipment
grounding system.

Temperature, humidity, and the amount of "glass" being tested will have
significant impacts on measured results, but you're really looking for an
outlier, assuming it isn't a hard fault that could've been found with a DMM
or a visual inspection.

Always a good idea to check with the module manufacturer to see if they
have documentation on their recommended procedure.

Cheers,

Brian Mehalic
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional™ R031508-59
National Electrical Code® CMP-4 Member
(520) 204-6639

Solar Energy International
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:07 PM 
wrote:

> That is very helpful. If I do the high voltage test, can I test from both
> positive to the frame and negative to the frame?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
> "RE-wrenches" 
>
> To:
> "RE-wrenches" 
> Cc:
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> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:35:50 -0700
> Subject:
> Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing
>
>
> Drake
> I have performed test for manufactures and you must keep the test voltage
> under the max rated voltage of the module, we have a bunch of tests we do
> but in short, you need to see the modules up close, look at the edges and
> back sheets look for green, brown or black spots, you need to do testing
> both dry first then wet if it is a ground fault concern. Most of the time
> the visual will find the issues but you still want to verify what you think
> you see. Make sure you look at the wiring to and from, the combiner box(s)
> or even the inverter(s).
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:31 AM Drake <
> drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Wrenches,
>>
>> We are troubleshooting an array of Orion modules, either 230s or 250s.
>> The array is showing a ground fault.
>>
>> We would like to test these modules with an insulation tester?
>>
>> We would like to apply 500 V or 1000 V to each the + and – and test
>> resistance to ground.
>>
>> Is this practice safe for individual PV modules? Is there anything I
>> should be aware of before attempting this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Drake
>>
>> Drake Chamberlin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Athens Electric LLC OH License 44810 CO License 3773 NABCEP Certified
>> Solar PV 740-448-7328*http://athens-electric.com/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing

[jerrysgarage01]

Current will pass through so just one hot leg to earth, be carefull not to 
overload the diodes, l have never had an issue but you never know. JerrySent 
from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org 
Date: 4/10/19  3:07 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: RE-wrenches 
 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module 
Testing That is very helpful. If I do the high voltage test, can I test from 
both positive to the frame and negative to the frame? Thanks,Drake - 
Original Message -From: "RE-wrenches" 
To:"RE-wrenches" 
Cc:Sent:Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:35:50 
-0700Subject:Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module TestingDrakeI have performed test for 
manufactures and you must keep the test voltage under the max rated voltage of 
the module, we have a bunch of tests we do but in short, you need to see the 
modules up close, look at the edges and back sheets look for green, brown or 
black spots, you need to do testing both dry first then wet if it is a ground 
fault concern. Most of the time the visual will find the issues but you still 
want to verify what you think you see. Make sure you look at the wiring to and 
from, the combiner box(s) or even the inverter(s).On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:31 
AM Drake  wrote:

Hello Wrenches, 
We are troubleshooting an array of Orion modules, either 230s or 250s.
The array is showing a ground fault. 
We would like to test these modules with an insulation tester? 
We would like to apply 500 V or 1000 V to each the + and – and test
resistance to ground. 
 
Is this practice safe for individual PV modules? Is there anything I
should be aware of before attempting this?
Thanks,
DrakeDrake ChamberlinAthens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV 
740-448-7328http://athens-electric.com/


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Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing

[drake . chamberlin]

That is very helpful. If I do the high voltage test, can I test from
both positive to the frame and negative to the frame? 

Thanks,

Drake 

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From: "RE-wrenches" 
To:"RE-wrenches" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:35:50 -0700
Subject:Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing

Drake
I have performed test for manufactures and you must keep the test
voltage under the max rated voltage of the module, we have a bunch of
tests we do but in short, you need to see the modules up close, look
at the edges and back sheets look for green, brown or black spots, you
need to do testing both dry first then wet if it is a ground fault
concern. Most of the time the visual will find the issues but you
still want to verify what you think you see. Make sure you look at the
wiring to and from, the combiner box(s) or even the inverter(s).

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:31 AM Drake
 wrote:

 Hello Wrenches, 

 We are troubleshooting an array of Orion modules, either 230s or
250s. The array is showing a ground fault. 

 We would like to test these modules with an insulation tester? 

 We would like to apply 500 V or 1000 V to each the + and – and test
resistance to ground. 
  
 Is this practice safe for individual PV modules? Is there anything I
should be aware of before attempting this?

 Thanks,

 Drake

Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
 OH License 44810
 CO License 3773
 NABCEP Certified Solar PV 
 740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/ [2] 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] HV Module Testing

[Jerry Shafer]

Drake
I have performed test for manufactures and you must keep the test voltage
under the max rated voltage of the module, we have a bunch of tests we do
but in short, you need to see the modules up close, look at the edges and
back sheets look for green, brown or black spots, you need to do testing
both dry first then wet if it is a ground fault concern. Most of the time
the visual will find the issues but you still want to verify what you think
you see. Make sure you look at the wiring to and from, the combiner box(s)
or even the inverter(s).

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:31 AM Drake 
wrote:

> Hello Wrenches,
>
> We are troubleshooting an array of Orion modules, either 230s or 250s. The
> array is showing a ground fault.
>
> We would like to test these modules with an insulation tester?
>
> We would like to apply 500 V or 1000 V to each the + and – and test
> resistance to ground.
>
> Is this practice safe for individual PV modules? Is there anything I
> should be aware of before attempting this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
> Drake Chamberlin
>
>
>
>
>
> *Athens Electric LLC OH License 44810 CO License 3773 NABCEP Certified
> Solar PV 740-448-7328 *http://athens-electric.com/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] WEEB-ADR clips

[Jerry Caldwell]

Thank you Jay.

Cheers,
Jerry Caldwell
 

On Tue Apr 09 2019 17:54:30 GMT-0700 (PDT), jay  
wrote:  
 
 HI Jerry,
Bryan at PV cables stocks most of the WEEB/Hubbell parts.
707-923-3000 pacific time
jay
peltz power


On Apr 9, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Jerry Caldwell  wrote:
Wrenches,

Does anyone know where and if you can still get WEEB-ADR clips? I need 1,900 of 
them rather urgently. Any advice is appreciated.

Best,
Jerry Caldwell
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider tech support AWOL?

[Sandra Herrera]

Kevin,

Thank you for the update and clarification. I want to expand on your 
description of the situation.

The call center for technical support is in Denver Colorado, so when you call 
in you are in the US. The system supporting the end-user is in Madrid for the 
moment.

Regards

Sandra Herrera
sandra.herr...@se.com

From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of 
Kevin Pegg
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:06 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider tech support AWOL?


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Hi folks,

Thought I'd give an update as to what I have learned in this process. Sandra 
Herra reached out to me and has been very useful in clarifying what has been 
going on here and helping clear out the backlog. I wasn't impressed when the 
first tech asked me to provide photos of the display showing the fault codes on 
a failed controller and asked if I had rebooted it.

From what I have gathered, it appears that the Schneider renewable energy tech 
support has now gone to a new overseas call centre or some such entity, and 
they really dropped the ball in actually letting their techs on the ground (us) 
know, or even having this up and running before they shut down the old system. 
They know they screwed up.

The first step is to register, which is nothing more complex than entering your 
name and address.
https://solar.schneider-electric.com/installer-registration/

Once registered, you will get an email back with the "top secret" phone number 
which looks odd as it is an international number, but it does work. Why they 
don't have a regular 1-800 who knows. Curious what 011 international calls will 
cost us.

The new email is 
solar.support@schneider-electric.com

I suggested they put some sort of auto-reply function on 
re.techsupp...@schneider-electric.com
 to let people know that this address is now ignored.

Hopefully this is smoother sailing, time will tell if they have techs who 
actually know the product, or are just reading out of a manual.

Kevin


From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Vince McClellan
Sent: April-08-19 8:50 AM
To: Glenn Burt mailto:glenn.b...@glbcc.com>>
Cc: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider tech support AWOL?

I went through the Schneider tech online support application process and 
received back a curt email that didn't give me access to their tech support 
forum and didn't answer any of my questions. After several days of waiting and 
sending out emails I finally got the new tech support access number from a 
friend. In the meantime I was having an issue with the Xanbus network on a 20kW 
stand alone system and my client was losing patience. I'm not sure what glitch 
happened that I was not able to get the information that I needed by going 
through the Schneider tech support application process. The telephone support 
numbers that they sent me in emails as the tech support access numbers were not 
even real phone numbers. I talked with others that had the same experience at 
that time so I know I wasn't alone in my issues with getting though to tech 
support. I'm assuming that Schneider has corrected the issue by now. The guys 
at Schneider tech support have been awesome to work with and I'm still 
specifying Schneider products for most of my  battery based systems.
I didn't know that that number wasn't to be shared as I didn't get any real 
information from Schneider regarding the access number. My apologies!
I do agree that it's important to not have our clients call tech support 
directly.

Vince McClellan
Energy Design
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Burt 
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William,
If you were to register through the website as the support number and the 
website and the representative on here asked, you would have been provided with 
the access number, just like the others of us who have followed their requested 
procedure.
Having worked the other side of telephone support line, I understand their 
attempts to screen calls into installers who they can expect will have a 
modicum of system comprehension, and all others in their troubleshooting 
attempts.
They further categorize callers by asking for your NABCEP number (if you are so 
inclined) which would also aid in identifying a callers level of experience and 
comprehension.
Circumventing their system helps no one.

Glenn

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