Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum MS4024 grief

2022-12-18 Thread Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches
Hi, happy holidays to all.  Of course it sounds like a dual bonding
situation.  Inverter generators are normally floating neutral, rotating
generators are normally neutral bonded internally in the generator.  The
GFCI detects a neutral current on the ground wire.  If the generator is
bonded internally it may be simplest to unbond at the generator.  However
you should bond ie ground the neutral downstream and only one bond.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 12:06 PM Chris Daum via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi folks:
>
> We have a new Magnum MS4024 mounted on an E-Panel using a MidNite Classic
> 150 and Whiz-Bang JR with power coming from an array of Trina
> TSM365-De06X-05(II) (three strings of three) with the ME-RC50 and a HUP
> SolarOne 6-85-14/24 battery.
> When we attempt to use the PFC (Power Factored Charger), the Gen Set’s
> GFCI outlets trip.  Thus far we have verified the connections are secure,
> assured that the gen set is grounded, disconnected the jumper within the
> E-Panel between the ground buss and neutral, checked AC voltages, removed
> the MNSPD’s from the buss(s)…  Stumped now on what an appropriate next step
> should be.  How do we get the PFC to function properly?  What are we
> missing?
>
> Best,
>
> Chris Daum
> Oasis Montana Inc.
> 406-777-4309 or 4321
> 406-777-4309 fax
> www.oasismontana.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum MS4024 grief

2022-12-18 Thread Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches

If all else fails, cut the equipment ground prong from the attachment
plug to the generator. The generator is internally grounded. You appear
to have an internal ground in your system somewhere.  


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On 2022-12-16 13:35, Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches wrote:

You may have neutral and ground connected at more than 1 location, meaning at the genset and in house panel, which means the ground is carrying current back to the generator in parallel with the neutral. 

I remember with some Honda portables we had to float the neutral at the genset or the inverter would trip the generator's GFI when trying to charge the batteries. 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches  wrote: 


The easy answer is try another genset !  You have to be more specific, did it 
ever work? Is it new? etc.  Good Luck !

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
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On 2022-12-16 10:04 am, Chris Daum via RE-wrenches wrote: 
Hi folks:


We have a new Magnum MS4024 mounted on an E-Panel using a MidNite Classic 150 
and Whiz-Bang JR with power coming from an array of Trina TSM365-De06X-05(II) 
(three strings of three) with the ME-RC50 and a HUP SolarOne 6-85-14/24 battery.
When we attempt to use the PFC (Power Factored Charger), the Gen Set's GFCI 
outlets trip.  Thus far we have verified the connections are secure, assured 
that the gen set is grounded, disconnected the jumper within the E-Panel 
between the ground buss and neutral, checked AC voltages, removed the MNSPD's 
from the buss(s)...  Stumped now on what an appropriate next step should be.  
How do we get the PFC to function properly?  What are we missing?

Best,

Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc.
406-777-4309 or 4321
406-777-4309 fax
www.oasismontana.com [1] 


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