Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter options

[Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches]

Hello i have an XW Pro that starts a 2 HP induction motor reliably, i
noticed th scope indicates battery voltage current issue,  be sure your
batteries can supply the starting surge.  I recently installed a new set of
batteries.  Some not all Li can surge.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 5:13 PM bob--- via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

>
> Three (3) weeks is also what I am being told.   Part of the delay was that
> ETL/Intertek dropped the ball, big time.
>
> Actually, ETL ran out of brains and we had to go to another NRTL
> altogether for inverters.
>
> And yes, it does surge very well.
>
> Merry new year, all !
>
> boB
>
>  On 1/14/2023 11:40 AM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> I am told the RE (off grid version) will be available through normal
> distribution in 3 weeks.
>  As a Beta tester for this inverter I can say the use of SiC Fets is a
> game changer.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 11:22 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Fully appreciate everyone's input.
>>
>> The Midnite Rosie sounds interesting for sure.  Midnite is a great
>> company with great support.  Smart people answer the phone and that really
>> counts for a lot.
>>
>> How are you getting your hands on these?  I can't seem to find much info,
>> no spec sheets etc.  None of my vendors have them and Midnite is estimating
>> Apr 2023 as the release date.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:34 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I run the XW6848 in my shop. When running my CNC plasma table the XW
>>> will shutdown due to exceeding its output rating if it is a long cut on
>>> metal when the 4HP compressor kicks on.
>>> I also have a Midnite Solar Rosey, both are connected to the same
>>> battery so it's an equal comparison. The Rosy inverter will surge right
>>> through and finish the job, the XW is not in  the same league when
>>> comparing surge capability.
>>>
>>>  A bonus is that the Rosey is really quiet as it does not have that big
>>> heavy transformer making noise under heavy load. It is easy to install as
>>> it is not as heavy. So far it's a game changer in regards to inverter
>>> hardware that I have tested.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 9:54 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
>>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>
 I have a client with a large woodworking shop…cabinet table saw, large
 20” 240V bench planer, chop saws, compressors and a vacuum system. A single
 Sol Ark 15K takes care of these loads flawlessly. It seems that that
 inductive load snag with the smaller models has been resolved with the 15K.

 Best,

 Chris

 On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:34 PM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches <
 re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> According to a seminar I just attended, the new Midnite Solar Rosie
> will...
>
> -Glenn
> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
> *Date: *Fri, Jan 13, 2023 3:55 PM
> *To: *RE-wrenches;
> *Cc: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar;
> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid
> inverter options
>
> There is not anything I know of that will out surge XW pro 6948. A
> great monitoring platform and much better support/installer training in 
> the
> last 18 months. Perfect for a shop with unknown peak surges.
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060 <209%20813%200060>*
>
>
> On 2023-01-13 11 <2023-01-13%2011>:57 am, Jay via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mac
>
> The radian is low voltage transformer
> Based. Has hella surge capacity
>
> I would consider what web based monitoring system he wants and go with
> that platform.
>
> Regardless of system I'd install soft start/vfd on the larger units.
> Just easier on everything.
>
> The solark 12 doesn't seem to be good for larger loads and doesn't do
> out of balance well, and limited to 6kw per phase. The new 15 might be
> better, not sure. Numerous YouTube videos showing side by side vs XW and
> radian. Both run stuff over their rating which the SolA won't run even
> though its under its rating.
>
> Good luck
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches > wrote:
> <%3cre-wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
>
> Hello Wrenches,
>
> I have a new client that has ran a pretty decent wood shop for about
> 10 years on a Magnum 4448.  He's got some large loads, planers, saws,
> compressors vacuums etc. 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter options

[bob--- via RE-wrenches]

Three (3) weeks is also what I am being told.   Part of the delay was 
that ETL/Intertek dropped the ball, big time.


Actually, ETL ran out of brains and we had to go to another NRTL 
altogether for inverters.


And yes, it does surge very well.

Merry new year, all !

boB

On 1/14/2023 11:40 AM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches wrote:
I am told the RE (off grid version) will be available through normal 
distribution in 3 weeks.
 As a Beta tester for this inverter I can say the use of SiC Fets is a 
game changer.


On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 11:22 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Fully appreciate everyone's input.

The Midnite Rosie sounds interesting for sure.  Midnite is a great
company with great support.  Smart people answer the phone and
that really counts for a lot.

How are you getting your hands on these?  I can't seem to find
much info, no spec sheets etc.  None of my vendors have them and
Midnite is estimating Apr 2023 as the release date.



On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:34 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

I run the XW6848 in my shop. When running my CNC plasma table
the XW will shutdown due to exceeding its output rating if it
is a long cut on metal when the 4HP compressor kicks on.
I also have a Midnite Solar Rosey, both are connected to the
same battery so it's an equal comparison. The Rosy inverter
will surge right through and finish the job, the XW is not in 
the same league when comparing surge capability.

 A bonus is that the Rosey is really quiet as it does not have
that big heavy transformer making noise under heavy load. It
is easy to install as it is not as heavy. So far it's a game
changer in regards to inverter hardware that I have tested.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 9:54 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

I have a client with a large woodworking shop…cabinet
table saw, large 20” 240V bench planer, chop saws,
compressors and a vacuum system. A single Sol Ark 15K
takes care of these loads flawlessly. It seems that that
inductive load snag with the smaller models has been
resolved with the 15K.

Best,

Chris

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:34 PM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

According to a seminar I just attended, the new
Midnite Solar Rosie will...

-Glenn
Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and
spelling errors.

-- Original message--
*From: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
*Date: *Fri, Jan 13, 2023 3:55 PM
*To: *RE-wrenches;
*Cc: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar;
*Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer
off-grid inverter options

There is not anything I know of that will out surge XW
pro 6948. A great monitoring platform and much better
support/installer training in the last 18 months.
Perfect for a shop with unknown peak surges.

  


*Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines
don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail
offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060
*


On 2023-01-13 11 :57 am, Jay via
RE-wrenches wrote:


Hi Mac
The radian is low voltage transformer
Based. Has hella surge capacity
I would consider what web based monitoring system he
wants and go with that platform.
Regardless of system I'd install soft start/vfd on
the larger units. Just easier on everything.
The solark 12 doesn't seem to be good for larger
loads and doesn't do out of balance well, and limited
to 6kw per phase. The new 15 might be better, not
sure. Numerous YouTube videos showing side by side vs
XW and radian. Both run stuff over their rating which
the SolA won't run even though its under its rating.
Good luck
Jay


On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Mac Lewis via
RE-wrenches > wrote:


Hello Wrenches,
I have a new client that has ran a pretty decent
wood shop for about 10 years on a Magnum 4448.  He's
got some large loads, planers, saws, compressors
vacuums etc. They are really nice, heavy duty pieces
of equipment. Amazingly, the Magnum has been able to
start these loads for the 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter options

[William Bryce via RE-wrenches]

I am told the RE (off grid version) will be available through normal
distribution in 3 weeks.
 As a Beta tester for this inverter I can say the use of SiC Fets is a game
changer.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 11:22 AM Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Fully appreciate everyone's input.
>
> The Midnite Rosie sounds interesting for sure.  Midnite is a great company
> with great support.  Smart people answer the phone and that really counts
> for a lot.
>
> How are you getting your hands on these?  I can't seem to find much info,
> no spec sheets etc.  None of my vendors have them and Midnite is estimating
> Apr 2023 as the release date.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:34 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I run the XW6848 in my shop. When running my CNC plasma table the XW will
>> shutdown due to exceeding its output rating if it is a long cut on metal
>> when the 4HP compressor kicks on.
>> I also have a Midnite Solar Rosey, both are connected to the same battery
>> so it's an equal comparison. The Rosy inverter will surge right through and
>> finish the job, the XW is not in  the same league when comparing surge
>> capability.
>>
>>  A bonus is that the Rosey is really quiet as it does not have that big
>> heavy transformer making noise under heavy load. It is easy to install as
>> it is not as heavy. So far it's a game changer in regards to inverter
>> hardware that I have tested.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 9:54 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a client with a large woodworking shop…cabinet table saw, large
>>> 20” 240V bench planer, chop saws, compressors and a vacuum system. A single
>>> Sol Ark 15K takes care of these loads flawlessly. It seems that that
>>> inductive load snag with the smaller models has been resolved with the 15K.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:34 PM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches <
>>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>
 According to a seminar I just attended, the new Midnite Solar Rosie
 will...

 -Glenn
 Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.

 -- Original message--
 *From: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
 *Date: *Fri, Jan 13, 2023 3:55 PM
 *To: *RE-wrenches;
 *Cc: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar;
 *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid
 inverter options

 There is not anything I know of that will out surge XW pro 6948. A
 great monitoring platform and much better support/installer training in the
 last 18 months. Perfect for a shop with unknown peak surges.



 *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
 "we go where powerlines don't"
 http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
 e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
 text 209 813 0060 <209%20813%200060>*


 On 2023-01-13 11:57 am, Jay via RE-wrenches wrote:


 Hi Mac

 The radian is low voltage transformer
 Based. Has hella surge capacity

 I would consider what web based monitoring system he wants and go with
 that platform.

 Regardless of system I'd install soft start/vfd on the larger units.
 Just easier on everything.

 The solark 12 doesn't seem to be good for larger loads and doesn't do
 out of balance well, and limited to 6kw per phase. The new 15 might be
 better, not sure. Numerous YouTube videos showing side by side vs XW and
 radian. Both run stuff over their rating which the SolA won't run even
 though its under its rating.

 Good luck

 Jay








 On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches > wrote:
 <%3cre-wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.org>

 Hello Wrenches,

 I have a new client that has ran a pretty decent wood shop for about 10
 years on a Magnum 4448.  He's got some large loads, planers, saws,
 compressors vacuums etc.  They are really nice, heavy duty pieces of
 equipment.  Amazingly, the Magnum has been able to start these loads for
 the most part for 10 years, but he has reported that it has gotten worse
 lately (could be a load issue), brown outs, dimming etc

 He wants to upgrade the system, get remote monitoring etc.  I tried a
 test with a Sol-Ark 12, and it won't start these large motor loads.  I was
 a little surprised by that but I know they aren't as good as the low freq
 transformer based inverters at these surges.

 I confirmed that its not just an overload from imbalance because the
 240V loads will also overload it.  I got an inrush measurement of 48.5A
 Ac @240 (but it didn't start the load before Sol-Ark would shut off)

 What are my options?
 Schneider XW Pro 6848
 Outback Radian 8048 (Is 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter options

[Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches]

Fully appreciate everyone's input.

The Midnite Rosie sounds interesting for sure.  Midnite is a great company
with great support.  Smart people answer the phone and that really counts
for a lot.

How are you getting your hands on these?  I can't seem to find much info,
no spec sheets etc.  None of my vendors have them and Midnite is estimating
Apr 2023 as the release date.



On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:34 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> I run the XW6848 in my shop. When running my CNC plasma table the XW will
> shutdown due to exceeding its output rating if it is a long cut on metal
> when the 4HP compressor kicks on.
> I also have a Midnite Solar Rosey, both are connected to the same battery
> so it's an equal comparison. The Rosy inverter will surge right through and
> finish the job, the XW is not in  the same league when comparing surge
> capability.
>
>  A bonus is that the Rosey is really quiet as it does not have that big
> heavy transformer making noise under heavy load. It is easy to install as
> it is not as heavy. So far it's a game changer in regards to inverter
> hardware that I have tested.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 9:54 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a client with a large woodworking shop…cabinet table saw, large
>> 20” 240V bench planer, chop saws, compressors and a vacuum system. A single
>> Sol Ark 15K takes care of these loads flawlessly. It seems that that
>> inductive load snag with the smaller models has been resolved with the 15K.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:34 PM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> According to a seminar I just attended, the new Midnite Solar Rosie
>>> will...
>>>
>>> -Glenn
>>> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>>>
>>> -- Original message--
>>> *From: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
>>> *Date: *Fri, Jan 13, 2023 3:55 PM
>>> *To: *RE-wrenches;
>>> *Cc: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar;
>>> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter
>>> options
>>>
>>> There is not anything I know of that will out surge XW pro 6948. A great
>>> monitoring platform and much better support/installer training in the last
>>> 18 months. Perfect for a shop with unknown peak surges.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
>>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>>> text 209 813 0060 <209%20813%200060>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2023-01-13 11:57 am, Jay via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mac
>>>
>>> The radian is low voltage transformer
>>> Based. Has hella surge capacity
>>>
>>> I would consider what web based monitoring system he wants and go with
>>> that platform.
>>>
>>> Regardless of system I'd install soft start/vfd on the larger units.
>>> Just easier on everything.
>>>
>>> The solark 12 doesn't seem to be good for larger loads and doesn't do
>>> out of balance well, and limited to 6kw per phase. The new 15 might be
>>> better, not sure. Numerous YouTube videos showing side by side vs XW and
>>> radian. Both run stuff over their rating which the SolA won't run even
>>> though its under its rating.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches > wrote:
>>> <%3cre-wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
>>>
>>> Hello Wrenches,
>>>
>>> I have a new client that has ran a pretty decent wood shop for about 10
>>> years on a Magnum 4448.  He's got some large loads, planers, saws,
>>> compressors vacuums etc.  They are really nice, heavy duty pieces of
>>> equipment.  Amazingly, the Magnum has been able to start these loads for
>>> the most part for 10 years, but he has reported that it has gotten worse
>>> lately (could be a load issue), brown outs, dimming etc
>>>
>>> He wants to upgrade the system, get remote monitoring etc.  I tried a
>>> test with a Sol-Ark 12, and it won't start these large motor loads.  I was
>>> a little surprised by that but I know they aren't as good as the low freq
>>> transformer based inverters at these surges.
>>>
>>> I confirmed that its not just an overload from imbalance because the
>>> 240V loads will also overload it.  I got an inrush measurement of 48.5A
>>> Ac @240 (but it didn't start the load before Sol-Ark would shut off)
>>>
>>> What are my options?
>>> Schneider XW Pro 6848
>>> Outback Radian 8048 (Is this a low freq device?)
>>> Sunny Islands are beasts but weird to work with and not user friendly
>>>
>>> Any others I should consider?  He does have some significant 120 only
>>> loads so I don't think the Outback vfxr are a good choice.
>>>
>>> Is it as simple as saying if the Magnum can start this load, the Radian
>>> should?
>>>
>>> I appreciate your input!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mac Lewis
>>>
>>> "Yo solo sé que no sé 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter options

[William Bryce via RE-wrenches]

I run the XW6848 in my shop. When running my CNC plasma table the XW will
shutdown due to exceeding its output rating if it is a long cut on metal
when the 4HP compressor kicks on.
I also have a Midnite Solar Rosey, both are connected to the same battery
so it's an equal comparison. The Rosy inverter will surge right through and
finish the job, the XW is not in  the same league when comparing surge
capability.

 A bonus is that the Rosey is really quiet as it does not have that big
heavy transformer making noise under heavy load. It is easy to install as
it is not as heavy. So far it's a game changer in regards to inverter
hardware that I have tested.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 9:54 PM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> I have a client with a large woodworking shop…cabinet table saw, large 20”
> 240V bench planer, chop saws, compressors and a vacuum system. A single Sol
> Ark 15K takes care of these loads flawlessly. It seems that that inductive
> load snag with the smaller models has been resolved with the 15K.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:34 PM Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> According to a seminar I just attended, the new Midnite Solar Rosie
>> will...
>>
>> -Glenn
>> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>>
>> -- Original message--
>> *From: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
>> *Date: *Fri, Jan 13, 2023 3:55 PM
>> *To: *RE-wrenches;
>> *Cc: *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar;
>> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Frequency transformer off-grid inverter
>> options
>>
>> There is not anything I know of that will out surge XW pro 6948. A great
>> monitoring platform and much better support/installer training in the last
>> 18 months. Perfect for a shop with unknown peak surges.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>> text 209 813 0060 <209%20813%200060>*
>>
>>
>> On 2023-01-13 11:57 am, Jay via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Mac
>>
>> The radian is low voltage transformer
>> Based. Has hella surge capacity
>>
>> I would consider what web based monitoring system he wants and go with
>> that platform.
>>
>> Regardless of system I'd install soft start/vfd on the larger units. Just
>> easier on everything.
>>
>> The solark 12 doesn't seem to be good for larger loads and doesn't do out
>> of balance well, and limited to 6kw per phase. The new 15 might be better,
>> not sure. Numerous YouTube videos showing side by side vs XW and radian.
>> Both run stuff over their rating which the SolA won't run even though its
>> under its rating.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches > wrote:
>> <%3cre-wrenc...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
>>
>> Hello Wrenches,
>>
>> I have a new client that has ran a pretty decent wood shop for about 10
>> years on a Magnum 4448.  He's got some large loads, planers, saws,
>> compressors vacuums etc.  They are really nice, heavy duty pieces of
>> equipment.  Amazingly, the Magnum has been able to start these loads for
>> the most part for 10 years, but he has reported that it has gotten worse
>> lately (could be a load issue), brown outs, dimming etc
>>
>> He wants to upgrade the system, get remote monitoring etc.  I tried a
>> test with a Sol-Ark 12, and it won't start these large motor loads.  I was
>> a little surprised by that but I know they aren't as good as the low freq
>> transformer based inverters at these surges.
>>
>> I confirmed that its not just an overload from imbalance because the 240V
>> loads will also overload it.  I got an inrush measurement of 48.5A Ac @240
>> (but it didn't start the load before Sol-Ark would shut off)
>>
>> What are my options?
>> Schneider XW Pro 6848
>> Outback Radian 8048 (Is this a low freq device?)
>> Sunny Islands are beasts but weird to work with and not user friendly
>>
>> Any others I should consider?  He does have some significant 120 only
>> loads so I don't think the Outback vfxr are a good choice.
>>
>> Is it as simple as saying if the Magnum can start this load, the Radian
>> should?
>>
>> I appreciate your input!
>>
>> --
>> Mac Lewis
>>
>> "Yo solo sé que no sé nada." -Sócrates
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