Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Jerry Shafer]

Wrenches
Small systems might get solaredge HD WAVE but l prefer Outback SkyBox,
neither have surge and if l need surge l will go SMA and AC couple a
Outback Radian when the time comes. And No l dont like AC coupling if l can
avoid it.
Jerry
Jerry

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020, 10:47 AM Jeff Clearwater 
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> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
>
> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer
> can't afford batteries right away.
>
> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with
> no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want
> to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Kristopher Schmid]

Like Kirk, I have installed a few StorEdge inverters successfully without
batteries.  You do have to change a few of the default programming
settings, but they seem to work fine without the LG Chem pack.

Shine On!

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kirk Herander, VSE 
wrote:

> Storedge 7.6kw inverter functions fine without batteries. I've had one
> working for a year like this, waiting for the customer to pull the trigger
> on LG Chem RESU set.
>
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> On 10/5/2020 12:08:18 PM, Jeff Clearwater 
> wrote:
> Hey Wrenches,
>
> I should have been more specific in my question.
>
> I'm well aware of the advantages of true-off grid inverters and the
> expansion routes of Sol-Arks or Sunny Islands as well as their price
> point!  Serious surge, serious battery expansion capability, stacking etc.
> However that all comes with a price . . .
>
> What I'm needing here is a simple 7.6 KW grid-tie inverter with minimal
> (15KWH) backup upgrade route.  No big expectations on the backup or surge -
> just minimal backup at an affordable price.
>
> So in that world - I know the PWRcell works well without batteries - but I
> have less experience with StorEdge or SkyBox.  And the PWRcell is a new
> beast perhaps since Pika was acquired?  I know Generac has been upgrading .
> . .
> Any experience with any of these in grid-tie mode with no batteries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> Rick Brown 
> October 5, 2020 at 11:51 AM
> Sol-ark will function w/o batteries. Pretty straightforward installation
> with no need for a separate charge controller.
>
>
> rick brown
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> October 5, 2020 at 11:20 AM
> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
>
> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer
> can't afford batteries right away.
>
> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with
> no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want
> to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Kirk Herander, VSE]

Storedge 7.6kw inverter functions fine without batteries. I've had one working 
for a year like this, waiting for the customer to pull the trigger on LG Chem 
RESU set.


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On 10/5/2020 12:08:18 PM, Jeff Clearwater  wrote:
Hey Wrenches,

I should have been more specific in my question.

I'm well aware of the advantages of true-off grid inverters and the expansion 
routes of Sol-Arks or Sunny Islands as well as their price point!  Serious 
surge, serious battery expansion capability, stacking etc.  However that all 
comes with a price . . .

What I'm needing here is a simple 7.6 KW grid-tie inverter with minimal (15KWH) 
backup upgrade route.  No big expectations on the backup or surge - just 
minimal backup at an affordable price.

So in that world - I know the PWRcell works well without batteries - but I have 
less experience with StorEdge or SkyBox.  And the PWRcell is a new beast 
perhaps since Pika was acquired?  I know Generac has been upgrading . . .
Any experience with any of these in grid-tie mode with no batteries?

Thanks,

Jeff


Rick Brown [mailto:r...@solshineenergyalternatives.com]
October 5, 2020 at 11:51 AM
Sol-ark will function w/o batteries. Pretty straightforward installation with 
no need for a separate charge controller.



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Jeff Clearwater [mailto:je...@villagepowerdesign.com]
October 5, 2020 at 11:20 AM
Hey Esteemed colleagues.

I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer can't 
afford batteries right away.

How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with no 
battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want to 
point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?

Thanks,

Jeff




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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Chris Mason]

The Generac PWRcell inverter can be stand alone if the customer wants to
add a battery later.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jeff Clearwater 
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> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
>
> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer
> can't afford batteries right away.
>
> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with
> no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want
> to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Jay]

Hi Jeff

The Sol Ark can work both ways if I understand correctly

Jay



> On Oct 5, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> All of the GTBB inverters I've ever used needed the battery to even function. 
>  
> 
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> On 10/5/20 9:20 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:
>> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
>> 
>> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer 
>> can't afford batteries right away.
>> 
>> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with 
>> no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want 
>> to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> ~~~
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Jeff Clearwater]

Hey Wrenches,

I should have been more specific in my question.

I'm well aware of the advantages of true-off grid inverters and the 
expansion routes of Sol-Arks or Sunny Islands as well as their price 
point!  Serious surge, serious battery expansion capability, stacking 
etc.  However that all comes with a price . . .


What I'm needing here is a simple 7.6 KW grid-tie inverter with minimal 
(15KWH) backup upgrade route.  No big expectations on the backup or 
surge - just minimal backup at an affordable price.


So in that world - I know the PWRcell works well without batteries - but 
I have less experience with StorEdge or SkyBox.  And the PWRcell is a 
new beast perhaps since Pika was acquired?  I know Generac has been 
upgrading . . .

Any experience with any of these in grid-tie mode with no batteries?

Thanks,

Jeff


Rick Brown 
October 5, 2020 at 11:51 AM
Sol-ark will function w/o batteries. Pretty straightforward 
installation with no need for a separate charge controller.



rick brown
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Jeff Clearwater 
October 5, 2020 at 11:20 AM
Hey Esteemed colleagues.

I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the 
customer can't afford batteries right away.


How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode 
with no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options 
folks want to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?


Thanks,

Jeff



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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

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Sol-ark will function w/o batteries. Pretty straightforward installation with 
no need for a separate charge controller.

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Jeff Clearwater  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
> 
> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer can't 
> afford batteries right away.
> 
> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with no 
> battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want to 
> point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Chris Schaefer]

Jeff,

I'd suggest Sol-Ark, either the 8 or 12kw unit.

Christopher

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 11:29 AM Ray  wrote:

> All of the GTBB inverters I've ever used needed the battery to even
> function.
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
>
> On 10/5/20 9:20 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:
>
> Hey Esteemed colleagues.
>
> I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer
> can't afford batteries right away.
>
> How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode with
> no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options folks want
> to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Ray]

All of the GTBB inverters I've ever used needed the battery to even 
function.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 10/5/20 9:20 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:

Hey Esteemed colleagues.

I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the 
customer can't afford batteries right away.


How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode 
with no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options 
folks want to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?


Thanks,

Jeff

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[RE-wrenches] GTBB inverters without batteries

[Jeff Clearwater]

Hey Esteemed colleagues.

I'm curious which GTBB inverters folks are installing when the customer 
can't afford batteries right away.


How do StorEdges, Skyboxes, PWRCells perform in purely grid-tied mode 
with no battery and any advantages - disadvantages of various options 
folks want to point out or considerations for the upgrade path of each?


Thanks,

Jeff

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