Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-22 Thread Mac Lewis 
I would look closely at Growatt.

 One thing easy to overlook, with 48V batteries especially, is how
difficult it is to have BOS components that are UL listed on the DC side.
This is an advantage of the cluster topology as opposed to a central
inverter topology. There are some good custom options for current >1000A
but it depends on the AHJ.

Let us know where you end up in this.

Thanks



On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 9:04 AM Jerry Shafer  wrote:

> Wrenches
> Outback FXR inverters has a three phase option, Solark can also do this.
> Delta has 125 k 480 vac unit also
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 7:12 AM Jay  wrote:
>
>> Hi Christopher
>>
>> I’m not sure what power your looking for.
>>
>> Try
>>
>> https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
>>
>> There are others too
>>
>> None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
>> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
>> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
>> that would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
>> Christopher-
>>
>> Chris Schaefer’s
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-22 Thread Jerry Shafer 
Wrenches
Outback FXR inverters has a three phase option, Solark can also do this.
Delta has 125 k 480 vac unit also


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 7:12 AM Jay  wrote:

> Hi Christopher
>
> I’m not sure what power your looking for.
>
> Try
>
> https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
>
> There are others too
>
> None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
>
> Jay
>
> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> 
> G'day All,
>
> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
> that would be extremely helpful.
>
> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
> Christopher-
>
> Chris Schaefer’s
> 
>
> *Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 *
> *5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424**www.solarandwindfx.com
>  ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread wes kennedy 
Hi Guys,
Ideal and Princeton have both exited this space.
Delta is solid, there is also Dynapower with a 125KW class and larger. 
-Wes Kennedy 303-653-3073 

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 12:54:32 PM MDT, Lloyd Hoffstatter 
 wrote:  
 
 
A couple of other sources – Ideal, Delta and Princeton Power all have larger 
battery based (typ. 480 VAC) inverters. Some info on Ideal 30 kW

https://www.idealpower.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/30kW-battery-converter-RevD-16Feb2016.pdf

  
 
Best regards,

  
 
Lloyd

Sunstruck Consulting

  
 
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and 
experiences

  
 
Here is another from CPS
 
  
 
https://www.chintpowersystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CPS-ESS-30-60kW-65-130kWh-Datasheet-September-19-2019.pdf
 
  
 
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On Apr 21, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar  
wrote:
 



 
I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar yesterday. 
Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around 40 KW.
 Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" 
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:
 

Hi Christopher
 
 
 
I'm not sure what power your looking for. 
 
 
 
Try
 
 
 
https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
 
 
 
There are others too 
 
 
 
None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
 
 
 
Jay
 



 

On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer  wrote:
 


G'day All, 
 
 
 
I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter 
manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you know 
and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise, that 
would be extremely helpful.
 
 
 
Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
 
Christopher- 
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Dave Tedeyan 
Hi Chris,
Another company that may be worth looking at is ELM.
http://www.elmmicrogrid.com/

It looks like they have some 480V commercial packages.
Cheers
Dave

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 3:48 PM Chris Schaefer 
wrote:

> All good ideas, but what I'm trying to avoid is putting 3 inverters
> together in order to achieve 3 phase. I did take a look at the Delta unit
> suggested by Jay and intend to contact them for more details. So if you
> know of a single inverter setup that provides 3 phase in a BBU and
> Microgrid configuration please do share.
>
> Thanks,
> Christopher
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>> I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar
>> yesterday. Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around
>> 40 KW.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
>> text 209 813 0060*
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Christopher
>>
>> I'm not sure what power your looking for.
>>
>> Try
>>
>> https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
>>
>> There are others too
>>
>> None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
>> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
>> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
>> that would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
>> Christopher-
>>
>> Chris Schaefer's
>> 
>>
>> *Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 *
>> *5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424**www.solarandwindfx.com
>>  ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
>> *
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Chris Schaefer 
All good ideas, but what I'm trying to avoid is putting 3 inverters
together in order to achieve 3 phase. I did take a look at the Delta unit
suggested by Jay and intend to contact them for more details. So if you
know of a single inverter setup that provides 3 phase in a BBU and
Microgrid configuration please do share.

Thanks,
Christopher

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar
> yesterday. Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around
> 40 KW.
>
>
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ 
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:
>
> Hi Christopher
>
> I'm not sure what power your looking for.
>
> Try
>
> https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
>
> There are others too
>
> None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
>
> Jay
>
> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
> G'day All,
>
> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
> that would be extremely helpful.
>
> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
> Christopher-
>
> Chris Schaefer's
> 
>
> *Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 *
> *5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424**www.solarandwindfx.com
>  ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
> *
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Lloyd Hoffstatter 
A couple of other sources – Ideal, Delta and Princeton Power all have larger 
battery based (typ. 480 VAC) inverters. Some info on Ideal 30 kW
https://www.idealpower.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/30kW-battery-converter-RevD-16Feb2016.pdf

Best regards,

Lloyd
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Here is another from CPS

https://www.chintpowersystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CPS-ESS-30-60kW-65-130kWh-Datasheet-September-19-2019.pdf

Jay


On Apr 21, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar  
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I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar yesterday. 
Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around 40 KW.



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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:
Hi Christopher

I'm not sure what power your looking for.

Try

https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter

There are others too

None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208

Jay


On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer  wrote:
G'day All,

I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter 
manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you know 
and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise, that 
would be extremely helpful.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Jay 
Here is another from CPS

https://www.chintpowersystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CPS-ESS-30-60kW-65-130kWh-Datasheet-September-19-2019.pdf

Jay

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar yesterday. 
> Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around 40 KW.
> 
>  
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>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christopher
>>  
>> I'm not sure what power your looking for. 
>>  
>> Try
>>  
>> https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter
>>  
>> There are others too 
>>  
>> None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208
>>  
>> Jay
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> G'day All,
>>>  
>>> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter 
>>> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you 
>>> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise, 
>>> that would be extremely helpful.
>>>  
>>> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
>>> Christopher- 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 


I know Schneider has a way for that Jay. I just took XWpro webinar
yesterday. Maybe a transformer was used for 480v but clusters up to around
40 KW.  

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:26:33 -0600, Jay  wrote:  Hi
Christopher   I'm not sure what power your looking for.Try  
https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter [3]   There are others too   
None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208   Jay

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G'day All,   I'm
not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
that would be extremely helpful.   Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
Christopher- 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-21 Thread Jay 
Hi Christopher

I’m not sure what power your looking for. 

Try

https://www.princetonelec.com/dela-inverter

There are others too 

None of the normal ( OB, Schneider etc) will do 208-480. Only 120-208

Jay

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Chris Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> 
> G'day All,
> 
> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter 
> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you 
> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise, 
> that would be extremely helpful.
> 
> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
> Christopher- 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-20 Thread Eric Smiley 
I've done 3phase with 6 Schneider Conext XW. It worked well but when you
convert to 3-phase you lose surge capacity because you are turning the
inverters into 120V inverters from 240.


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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 17:45, Darryl Thayer  wrote:

> Hello all,  When I have done a small 3-phase I have used Outback GVFX
> 3548  up to 32 kW (120/208) my largest was about 45 kW it worked for 12
> years, then was replaced when the owner wanted to go larger.   I made a
> 3-phase design using Solark but SolArk did not understand 3-phase and could
> not answer in English my questions. (So I did not submit)  However, they
> assumed their equipment could go to about 50 kW when combined into 9
> units.
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Chris Schaefer 
> wrote:
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
>> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
>> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
>> that would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
>> Christopher-
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-20 Thread Darryl Thayer 
Hello all,  When I have done a small 3-phase I have used Outback GVFX 3548
up to 32 kW (120/208) my largest was about 45 kW it worked for 12 years,
then was replaced when the owner wanted to go larger.   I made a 3-phase
design using Solark but SolArk did not understand 3-phase and could not
answer in English my questions. (So I did not submit)  However, they
assumed their equipment could go to about 50 kW when combined into 9
units.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Chris Schaefer 
wrote:

> G'day All,
>
> I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
> manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
> know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
> that would be extremely helpful.
>
> Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
> Christopher-
>
> Chris Schaefer’s
> 
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> *Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 *
> *5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424**www.solarandwindfx.com
>  ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
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[RE-wrenches] seeking 3ph battery based/backed inverters and experiences

2021-04-20 Thread Chris Schaefer 
G'day All,

I'm not familiar with any 3 ph 208 to 480vac battery backup inverter
manufacturers. So if you could point me in the right direction on who you
know and better yet who you've had experience with, good, bad or otherwise,
that would be extremely helpful.

Happy 420 to all my fellow Solar Bozo's,
Christopher-

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