Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
sounds of your comment I cannot see how I could possibly get a
positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
pretty fundamental have you made a decision and will not be
interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
(as these things types of threads tend to become)
2. I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
comments. RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
version of reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
your issues right now but based on my previous comment other gripes
like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
region)
4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
Cheers,
- Morgan
On Nov 19, 1:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, theham. I'll be dealing with a
lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
all software is frustrating and flawed - I think this is either not
the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as all
complex software is frustrating and flawed. I take the point, of
course, that RedDot is not the only culprit.
If you can please update your blog post - you beat me to it -
thanks :)
Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently negative
experience? - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling
pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a
positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
pretty fundamental. So far, I've just dealt with the text editor
creating invalid markup. As someone who has, over the last couple of
years, really embraced web standards and clean, semantic markup, this
DOES feel like a MASSIVE deal. However, there are other topics I'll be
discussing which, I believe, will be more significant to some of you
(gripe #2 - just posted - probably doesn't fall under this category,
unfortunately). I'm talking core aspects of the RedDot CMS model which
I consider flawed. I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some
notice of these comments. I would also love it if an alternative CMS
(preferably open source) could be suggested, or developed if there
really is a gap in the market.
On Nov 18, 11:19 am, theHam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
I understand your pain and frustration. I'm a 3 y.o reddoter with a
love/hate relationship with the wonderful world of reddot. I try to
make sure that my clients never have to experience the hate and i deep
down love the challenge. One thing i have noticed is that the biggest
gripes i have with the product have been resolved progressively
through the years.
1. Complex workaround asp driven navigation has been replaced by (imo)
a much flexible approach with navman
2. user syncronisation has been significantly improved with the user
sync templates
3. page definitions which has simplified and sped up the building out
of content
A soon to be resolved issue on my gripe list will be the text editor
which is to be replaced by the telerik asp.net/ajax driven text editor
(i heard this month but could be wrong). Though we also have had
success with the ephox text editor and will be sad to see it go.
As a few people mentioned all software is frustrating and flawed.. a
good example of this is that reddot will do things significantly
better than other product and significantly worse than others. If
reddot themselves don't move fast enough to bridge the gap that is
where people on this group and consultants can assist.
A couple of things i think a lot of people on this group would
