Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed)
I'm sure he was. Cf. Madlyn Murray O'Hare (I've probably spelled her name wrong). Richard D. Friedman wrote: Assuming he isn't a total flake, then there must have been some irony in the lawsuit. Is it possible he was poking fun at what he perceived as a tendency to try to cure all ills of the world -- or at least all ills attributable at least in part to official conduct -- through judicial action? Rich Friedman University of Michigan At 12:49 PM 9/18/2007, Newsom Michael wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C7FA13.E52CE65B You remember correctly. He has been in office, I believe, for a very long time. His constituents keep sending him back. Maybe we ought to worry a bit more about what THEY think. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:14 AM *To:* religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu *Subject:* Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed) I don't know Chambers reasons for the lawsuit. But just to temper the reaction that he must be mad, Chambers, if I remember correctly, is a wily politician with a good reputation for fighting for his community. Bobby -Original Message- From: Douglas Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:55 am Subject: RE: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed) Chambers obviously doesn't expect to win this lawsuit. And I assume he is not one of those borderline mentally ill chronic litigants. So what can he hope to accomplish? Is he just making a theological/political point? That if God gets credit for good things that happen, He is also responsible for bad things that happen? Not exactly a new argument, and likely overwhelmed by reaction to the absurdity of the lawsuit. Quoting Ed Brayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Yep, one and the same. Ed Brayton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:35 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed) Isn't Sen. Ernie Chambers the Chambers from Marsh v. Chambers? First he tries to get prayers out of the state legislature, then he up and sues God. Well then. Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will Linden Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:24 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed) I assume this would be thrown out for the same reasons as the suit filed against Satan and his staff (CORPUS JURIS HUMOROUS). There is no clear ground of jurisdiction, since no allegation of residence in Douglas Country has been made, and there are no directions for service of notice of proceedings. In addition, should this give rise to a class action, there is no assurance that the petitioner would fairly represent the interests of the class. At 09:02 PM 9/17/07 -0500, you wrote: I'm embarrassed to admit that this guy is a long-term state senator here in Nebraska. This does, however, seem to be the biggest possible interaction between religion and law. From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_fe_st/odd_suing_god_2http http://webmail.aol.com/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fap%2F20070917%2Fap_on_fe_st%2Fodd_suing_god_2%3Ehttp : //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_fe_st/odd_suing_god_2 LINCOLN, Neb. - Fed up with the threats, tired of natural disasters, the state's longest-serving state senator is using his legal muscle against who he says is the culprit - God. State Sen. Ernie Chambers of Omaha sued the Almighty in Douglas County District Court last week. Chambers says in his lawsuit that God has made terroristic threats against the senator and his constituents, inspired fear and caused widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants. Chambers also says God has caused fearsome floods ... horrendous hurricanes, terrifying tornadoes. He's seeking a permanent injunction against God. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu mailto:Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw
quotation correction
*Religion is the opiate of the masses*. - Karl Marx http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Marx * Correct quote: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. Marx's intended meaning is subtler than the misquote would suggest. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: quotation correction
Let's remember that it is a translation from German -- opiate of the masses or opium of the people are, I'm told, both appropriate translations. But the context of the quote does indeed make it a bit more subtle than the partial quote most often used is interpreted. I would also add a note that our sense of opium and opiate is a bit different from that of the time of Karl Marx. On 9/19/07, Susan Freiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Religion is the opiate of the masses*. - Karl Marx http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Marx * Correct quote: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. Marx's intended meaning is subtler than the misquote would suggest. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Prof. Steven Jamar Howard University School of Law ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed)
I just keep thinking that if this suit were to go through, what a long difficult day that is going to be on some process server. James Manning Murray State undergrad - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed)
Considering that so many churches and similar institutions consider themselves duly and uniquely appointed agents, it shouldn't really be too hard. In fact, this idea might catch on, and we might find the IRS claiming that all those churches et al. are permanent establishments whose income, though not taxable to them because *they* filed for exemptions, are effectively connected with their principal's trade or business and taxable directly to him/her/it. On 9/19/07, James Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just keep thinking that if this suit were to go through, what a long difficult day that is going to be on some process server. James Manning Murray State undergrad -- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48224/*http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. -- Vance R. Koven Boston, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: Suing God, et al
Don't overlook the subversive nature of religion, any religion, as it tries to wiggle its way into courts (so help me god, god save this honorable court), loyalty oaths (one nation, under god) classroom prayers (to some generic deity), laws (one man + one woman = marriage), and the drive through windows of fast food joints (have a blessed day). The very nature of religion is elitist, requiring adherents to think of themselves as chosen or anointed by a deity; in some cases this manifests itself as racism or overly nationalistic. Both cases are non-productive for humans, especially in this country where we spend an inordinate amount of time in court trying to appease both sides. Our Federal Constitution is godless (except for that one teeny little generic reference at the end, cancelled by antiquity), and ALL laws -- federal, state, local -- should take that into consideration when promulgated. This atmosphere of godlessness is not atheism; it's for our survival as a nation. This atmosphere should translate into law as the reasonable non-adherent's standard, thereby eliminating the need to filter everything case, every issue, and every nuance of every argument thru the prism of religion. Large rocks with religious laws would never occupy space in public buildings; religious jewelry and clothing wouldn't be an issue in the workplace or school; think of the possibilities for the precious use of time if we weren't all bothered with personal agendas and the resulting lawsuits. Religion is protected under the Establishment Clause...what more could anyone need (except, thankfully, the Supreme Court's wise inclusion of non-religion in the same protection)? Carol Moore List Reader ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Suing God (honest, it's a lawsuit that has really been filed)
So, he is protesting frivolous suits... by bringing a frivolous suit? As the Heraldry Gazette noted in a slightly analogous situation, his 'protest' is one that should appeal to protesters everywhere. No more depressing promiscuous marches to Aldermaston -- just jolly bomb-throwing sessions. Will Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A- a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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Great! Next time do it when I tell you to do it. Bobby Robert Justin Lipkin Professor of Law Widener University School of Law Delaware Ratio Juris , Contributor: _ http://ratiojuris.blogspot.com/_ (http://ratiojuris.blogspot.com/) Essentially Contested America, Editor-In-Chief _http://www.essentiallycontestedamerica.org/_ (http://www.essentiallycontestedamerica.org/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
